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Would absolutely hate that attitude, especially in a younger player that hasn't particularly played well.
Fans will get behind a player that we realize is struggling but giving it their all.
We already have one passenger that we cant drop in the team..that negatively disadvantages us...If Young gets back to the side, I struggle to see Memphis getting back his spot. Not because Young is more talented, but LVG usually rewards those that follow his instructions and are playing well. Young has done that very well for LVG.
If you'd never seen or heard of him before, you'd be struggling to work out what things he's actually good at.
And that's whats worrying me most atm. Poor/inconsistent performances aren't a big deal, yet. He's still young. Its the lack of evidence of actual ability that is the worrying thing. So far, he's not shown that he's particularly good at anything.
And that's whats worrying me most atm. Poor/inconsistent performances aren't a big deal, yet. He's still young. Its the lack of evidence of actual ability that is the worrying thing. So far, he's not shown that he's particularly good at anything.
I get what you mean but Memphis has not played even half a season for us. He deserves patience if we want to build for the future. He's only 21. We need to do this right and not waste his talent.
True, but LVG will have considered that too, but he's still dropped him.
I actually think this is better, it forces to fight for his place and is a measure of his mental strength. He'll never survive here without that.
Looks like Van Gaal is trying to teach him a lesson.
Leaving him out is the right thing to do. Hopefully he will come back more determined, if he sulks then he isn't good enough for United.
If the rumours of an attitude problem are true, then he should be benched even more.
I'd rather have Young who is back in training too.
He's now behind Lingard in the pecking order, hopefully he responds the right way.
Worst thing is I don't think he would have injected any urgency if he came on.
The thing with Memphis is he's played poorly so far this season yet has still scored 4 goals and got 4 assists in all competitions. He could quite easily end up double figures for each if he actually gets on the pitch which would be a very good return. He seems to make something happen, just not to the extent Martial does.
He deserves to be out of the team he was playing very poorly until he got benched. We will now see what he is made of either he starts working twice as hard in training to win his place back or he starts sulking and his United career could end a lot sooner than we and he expected.
Maybe Rooney could get some of that treatment.
Didn't the Brugge qualifiers massively boost his stats? Don't have the figures on me, but I'm fairly sure he got a few goals/assists over both games. They still count, of course, but it was mostly a very easy win for us, so I'm not sure I'd put too much into the 4/4 figures right now.
I'm sure he'll be fine. He'll probably be annoyed to be out of the team, but I'm sure he'll know that he'll still get plenty of chances to work his way back into the side.
Yep, 2 of each across the 2 games.
I just get the impression he wants to become more of what Ronaldo is now I.e pure goal output, rather than developing his all round play.
I belive he will be fine to but coming from the Eredivision to the PL is a big step up and he still has a lot of learning to do. I think a lot of people me included had way to big expectations on him to instantly deliver but the fact is he is a young lad getting used to a new country and a new league so he will need to be given time to settle in.
Will be a real test for his character considering Lingard, despite being older, isn't exactly more developed than him and has never played at PL level before this season also if you discount 20 min against Swansea.Lucky for him that Januzaj has already been sent out on loan so we surely will still need him at some points.
We've heard a lot about his confidence and fitness dedication, but this is the mental test as he's been used to golden boy status, not bench boy bit part. Hopefully he rises to the challenge and ups his level rather than sulking.
I know he's not exactly set the world alight but I can't help feel we'd look better with him him off the left and Martial up top rather than accommodating Rooney by shoving our biggest goal threat out wide.
I'm not confident at all about him rising up to the challenge but obviously it just my personal feeling, not writing him off by any mean.
I get that concern, his lifestyle and personality seem volatile.
It's no coincidence his form has dropped since shaws injury.
Nah I don't think he was particularly good before that.
Hoping he will start against Middlesborough and show the form he showed against Brugge. With Rooney in such poor form he needs to show LVG he can trust him on the left, and let Martial stay upfront.
I agree. For one we would look amazing on the counter attack
.Why does he need to change his game to suit us? If that's the case then why did we buy him, just so we can do a Di Maria with him?
This is just stupid from the manager and club, to hinder the development of yet another outstanding talent while we rather give time to players who at best will only ever be squad players.
What was so wrong about what he was doing at PSV last year, expressing himself, being the main man and playing his game what was so wrong about it that now he has to sacrifice all of that to be apart of team philosophy etc, etc. Memphis is what he is, a counter attacking footballer who like to be in attacking position to get the best out of him. We allowed Ronaldo to roam free and express why have we stop doing this now, even under Moyes we allowed Januzaj to express himself and he was great but under LVG again that's all changed. It's depressing to see what we have done and are doing to some of our players under LVG, I don't want to see Depay change the way he played his game at PSV in fact I want him to continue to do the same at UTD, I want a player to be confident in his ability and express himself and we should try and solutions to fit these players into the system like we have done for Fellaini etc.
Before anyone point out Martial performance this season he wasn't the main man at Monaco and he hadn't shown the type of player he could be, now we are seeing him develop into a player he could be under LVG.
I'd rather have LVG say the he made a mistake in buying Memphis than treat him this way. The other aspect that really annoys me is the other talented player we have at the club like Wilson, Pereira and Goss won't get a look in unless first the apply themselves in a certain way rather then express the players they can be. It's all well to and good to develop players a certain way but allow them to express themselves too rather than to pass sideway and backwards all the time just to be a part of team philosophy.
This is just stupid from the manager and club, to hinder the development of yet another outstanding talent while we rather give time to players who at best will only ever be squad players.
What was so wrong about what he was doing at PSV last year, expressing himself, being the main man and playing his game what was so wrong about it that now he has to sacrifice all of that to be apart of team philosophy etc, etc. Memphis is what he is, a counter attacking footballer who like to be in attacking position to get the best out of him. We allowed Ronaldo to roam free and express why have we stop doing this now, even under Moyes we allowed Januzaj to express himself and he was great but under LVG again that's all changed. It's depressing to see what we have done and are doing to some of our players under LVG, I don't want to see Depay change the way he played his game at PSV in fact I want him to continue to do the same at UTD, I want a player to be confident in his ability and express himself and we should try and solutions to fit these players into the system like we have done for Fellaini etc.
Before anyone point out Martial performance this season he wasn't the main man at Monaco and he hadn't shown the type of player he could be, now we are seeing him develop into a player he could be under LVG.
I'd rather have LVG say the he made a mistake in buying Memphis than treat him this way. The other aspect that really annoys me is the other talented player we have at the club like Wilson, Pereira and Goss won't get a look in unless first the apply themselves in a certain way rather then express the players they can be. It's all well to and good to develop players a certain way but allow them to express themselves too rather than to pass sideway and backwards all the time just to be a part of team philosophy.
Maybe it's more about his attitude than his game? Young players get challenged like this a lot, forced to work their way back into the team. He has the talent to make that happen and I hope he does.
No, I agree. I would rather see LVG live and die with the young guns rather than keep on wasting time, space, and energy in accommodating Rooney.
The problem, however, is that the punishment is getting closer and closer to being disproportionate while there is one other guy who should have received the same kind of punishment out there and regardless of past reputation.
Just play him. Rooney's form is rotten, so give the centre forward slot to Martial.
The open left wing slot should be there for Memphis, Lingard and Pereira to fight over, and also Young when he's fit again. Why persevere with a perennially underperforming 30 year old when we have young players who are only going to improve by getting game time? Why are we putting our best centre forward out wide so we can shoehorn in our most impotent attacking player in that position?
Any United related thread can be turned into a Drop-Rooney discussion without going off-topic. It's having that big of an effect.
The open left wing slot should be there for Memphis, Lingard and Pereira to fight over, and also Young when he's fit again. Why persevere with a perennially underperforming 30 year old when we have young players who are only going to improve by getting game time? Why are we putting our best centre forward out wide so we can shoehorn in our most impotent attacking player in that position?
Any United related thread can be turned into a Drop-Rooney discussion without going off-topic. It's having that big of an effect.
Agree with that
Was hoping Januzaj and Depay would be instrumental for us this year, with perhaps both playing or providing competition/cover for each other.
Nevertheless hopefully both will turn it around and take Martial's example. Not too digress too much further, but it cant be stated too emphatically just how fantastic the Frenchman has been thus far.
Nevertheless hopefully both will turn it around and take Martial's example. Not too digress too much further, but it cant be stated too emphatically just how fantastic the Frenchman has been thus far.
He's having the sort of season i expected Martial to be having. when you grab a player around the 20 year age mark, its nieve to think they will instantly hit the ground running. but what frustrates me about him though is he doesn't utilise his strengths at all, he's a strong, quick athlete yet never attempts to take a man on, i think i expected a little more from his dribbling as well.
Everything he does screams Style over substance, he will hit the byline only to cut back and play a pass back to shove the actual responsibility of making a play on somebody else.
Has all the potential though, have high hopes for him when he pulls his finger out.
Everything he does screams Style over substance, he will hit the byline only to cut back and play a pass back to shove the actual responsibility of making a play on somebody else.
Has all the potential though, have high hopes for him when he pulls his finger out.
If he's anything like his idol Ronaldo this will force him to train and work harder than ever before to achieve greatness.
Over to you Memphis.
Over to you Memphis.
this. he certainly got the talent, now is all about his will and character.
should get a start against boro next. hopefully he'll take his chance.
He needs to work harder.
Martial has worked harder on the left more than him. Depay seems to think he's Ronaldo. Rio said a few days ago that the players allowed Ronaldo to cheat because he scored so many goals and there's no need for him to track back.
Martial has worked harder on the left more than him. Depay seems to think he's Ronaldo. Rio said a few days ago that the players allowed Ronaldo to cheat because he scored so many goals and there's no need for him to track back.
Our front three should be Memphis, Martial & Mata.
Memphis and Martial would kill teams on the break. If we could get a pacey wide option we could move Mata infield.
I don't think the current formation suits Memphis either, he sits far wide in the 4-2-3-1 than he would a true 4-3-3.
Memphis and Martial would kill teams on the break. If we could get a pacey wide option we could move Mata infield.
I don't think the current formation suits Memphis either, he sits far wide in the 4-2-3-1 than he would a true 4-3-3.
Hopefully he gets a chance again soon, at least some time off the bench. He was in some very bad form so the drop is deserved but we could really use someone like him out wide right now. If he can fulfill some of the promise we know he has we'll look a much better team.
I'm in the minority here, but I would prefer Young to be given a chance..he didnt really do anything to lose his place.
Well, they are not working for the same spot. Right now, he's being benched by Martial on the wing, because of Rooney as striker. Lingard is backing up Mata.
We could really try Memphis on the wing again with Martial upfront. But that means the captain is out.
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