He definitely needs to expand his repertoire, I don't think that's as much risk aversion (although he's clearly lacking confidence which probably is an issue) as it is he simply doesn't have it in his locker at the moment. To be fair he did go down the outside and put in a decent cross today so hopefully it's something he's working on.
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He definitely needs to expand his repertoire, I don't think that's as much risk aversion (although he's clearly lacking confidence which probably is an issue) as it is he simply doesn't have it in his locker at the moment. To be fair he did go down the outside and put in a decent cross today so hopefully it's something he's working on.
Completely warranted criticism after a very below par performance.
I don't think anyone is butchering him for taking risks and trying things. People are, correctly in my opinion, pointing out that he didn't have a good game. He's far too selfish at times, and tends to make wrong decisions quite regularly. But he is young, and those things will come with time.
I haven't seen anyone complaining about him trying things or taking risks at all.
Yeah I'd agree. He has the tools to get there but he needs to knows what to use and when i.e trying to force dribble past 2 players in a tight area is a bad idea. He should think more about link up play and use his agility and ability to be coming onto and off the ball more. That's not to say for him to simply control it and pass safely ala Rooney but looking for quick one-twos, settling yourself, dropping the shoulder to create those moments of lull where you can skip past players and/or wait an overlap, more penetrative pass.
He's actually very reminscent of early Ronaldo for me and I hope when/if he finds his feet and reportoire and starts becoming really effective he doesn't become an 'everything must come through me' type of player. I really hated the Ronaldo that was a lot of 'I'm gonna finish every chance, I'm gonna wait for the ball for me, I'm gonna dribble and force the shot for myself' thing. Ok I'm being very harsh but it took so much away from our team game. Rant over.
He is so careless with balls at times. As if he is playing the game at a slightly slower pace than everyone else.
He was decent. He was frustrating but he takes responsibility to make things happen even when things aren't going his way.
Refreshing after the last few years of of uninspired buildup play with slow passing and very little dribbling.
He will get better and is already a very dangerous player in a new league and a new team trying to gel. Have some patience. Better days ahead.
Refreshing after the last few years of of uninspired buildup play with slow passing and very little dribbling.
He will get better and is already a very dangerous player in a new league and a new team trying to gel. Have some patience. Better days ahead.
I don't understand how you can be involved in 8 goals directly in 12 games played for your club in a new league and system and people still moan. Yes there is more to consider but he is doing the hardest bits right. The rest will come.
Like I said, he has one of the hardest jobs in football. Regularly turning unpromising situations into promising ones. That kind of thing is going to have a high failure rate, the fact he's contributed so much despite everything stacked against him speaks volumes.
Unfortunately we won't be playing Bruges and Ipswich all season.
His lack of strength on the ball is baffling considering his physique.
I still like the guy a lot, but I can't shake the nagging feeling we've sold Nani and then just bought Nani instead.
Which isn't a bad thing, because I always quite liked Nani. But still....Nani.
Which isn't a bad thing, because I always quite liked Nani. But still....Nani.
I think it's too early to make any real judgements on him. I will wait until next season before giving a definitive view. However so far he hasn't been overly impressive. You can see there is something there though.
Just missing that final bit right now and it's so frustrating because he is doing most of the hard work. Can just imagine if both him and Rooney pick up their game, we'd have a scary good front line but, both right now are letting us down when it counts in the final phases.
Frustrating but exciting to watch at the same time. Unpredictable when he is on the ball and will come good if he keeps working on training ground.
Does he have a habit of not looking up when playing a pass or a cross? The commentators mentioned it in consecutive games now.
Exactly what Young used to do 2 seasons ago..
Hopefully Memphis hits some kind of form and puts in more decent efforts than wasted ones..
He is inconsistent. And there has been no major progress from the first match to now..
He is inconsistent. And there has been no major progress from the first match to now..
Martial is well ahead of him in the composure on the ball stakes.
Its early days but there is a chance we have signed an upcoming superstar in Martial
Needs taking out of the team.
First couple of matches I was disappointed as I was expecting a quick, powerful direct player who can beat a man.
Next few games he should glimpses of really good end product (albeit against poor opposition) despite the rest of his all round game being quite poor.
Last few games, especially last night.....awful. Really really poor. Hopefully Valencia / Rojo is fit for Arsenal and id play young wide left in his place as he has the ability to actually complete a pass and beat a man.
First couple of matches I was disappointed as I was expecting a quick, powerful direct player who can beat a man.
Next few games he should glimpses of really good end product (albeit against poor opposition) despite the rest of his all round game being quite poor.
Last few games, especially last night.....awful. Really really poor. Hopefully Valencia / Rojo is fit for Arsenal and id play young wide left in his place as he has the ability to actually complete a pass and beat a man.
Young player in new league is inconsistent shocker.
I thought Memphis was good but again faded badly in second half. He really needs to work on his stamina. But I found it encouraging that he caused a lot of damage in the first half with excellent direct dribbling and beating defenders for fun.
Hope @Borys is more satisfied now? And do you still want Periera to start over Memphis? He showed that he is 1-2 levels below Memphis right now (no shame in that, he is younger too). Perhaps the current arrangement works best in that he comes on for the last few minutes of the game, when Memphis anyway doesn't do anything.
Hope @Borys is more satisfied now? And do you still want Periera to start over Memphis? He showed that he is 1-2 levels below Memphis right now (no shame in that, he is younger too). Perhaps the current arrangement works best in that he comes on for the last few minutes of the game, when Memphis anyway doesn't do anything.
Was he better than against Sunderland? I guess so. He found himself in a couple of good occasions and missed all of them. But his movement is something we already know is very good, it's a shame he isn't showing anything else.
Was he good? Definitely not. His worst game in Europe came against first decent team (although I thought Wolfsburg were better going forward than defending). I still maintain he needs a rest.
Pereira did nothing, but I’d still give him some time. Him getting a few minutes at the end of a game is a good start at least.
Martial is ahead of most 19 year olds in that regard. How Memphis is playing is more what I'd expect from a young player moving to a big club and new league.
Yes, because Young has the stats to back up such a high level of end product.
Same story with every young player we sign. This is De Gea all over again.
@GifLord can we have a gif of where Memphis held the ball up with the defender tight behind him, won the free kick and then sent the defender flying 
his upper body strength is very impressive
his upper body strength is very impressiveFair point.
When did this happen?
It's a real worry for me that this kid is Nani in disguise. For all his muscles, he doesn't employ them at all. Easily bundled off the ball, predictable, slow to react when he receives the ball... Seems to think he has all the time in the world... Not in the PL you don't Memphis. More worrying than all this, is his lack of application. He loses the ball and seems petulant instead of getting back on his bike and chasing it down again... I'm surprised LVG has stuck with him this long, although he does love all things Dutch!
Alarm bells have been ringing for a few weeks, especially when replaced with Young several times and Young changes the game with sheer determination and aggression... Something that Memphis seems to lack.
Maybe he is just adjusting to the PL, but for me, he needs to show up in some of these games. A few goals against Bruges won't cut the mustard!
Alarm bells have been ringing for a few weeks, especially when replaced with Young several times and Young changes the game with sheer determination and aggression... Something that Memphis seems to lack.
Maybe he is just adjusting to the PL, but for me, he needs to show up in some of these games. A few goals against Bruges won't cut the mustard!
Feck off with the Nani comparisons please.. Nani at his worst was in his latter 20's but at a point in his career among the very best in his field, Memphis is 21 and just made a massive step up in his career. We're winning and he's contributing, I don't get the impatience. Young is doing well as an impact sub aswell so let him keep at it, better to bring on a guy with experience and routine than a kid with everything to prove when you need a boost. As seen in recent years with Januzaj, Zaha etc.
Been seen 'dating' Chris Brown's ex girlfriend Kaureche Tran, Hope it isn't a sign of him not being focused because he has certainly struggled the last few games.
Inconsistent is a bit flattering description of his performances so far. Doesn't show much signs of "footballing brain" whatsoever. Nani had an outstanding technique, and seemed really lively. Memphis's touch and decisionmaking seems really sloppy and naive. I just don't think he's nearly as talented as people make him out to be.
The caf is funny. Last season it was crying about the lack of pace, creativity and someone who can open a defence.
Now we have someone who is a kid, running at defenders, trying to be creative and lets be honest he succeeds just as much as he fails and the lad is receiving criticism.
Mind blowing.
His potential is sky high and he has shown more than enough in nearly every game he plays with his skills, goals, work ethic, delivery that he has what it takes. Yes he is raw and is hit and miss but get off the lad's back.
Now we have someone who is a kid, running at defenders, trying to be creative and lets be honest he succeeds just as much as he fails and the lad is receiving criticism.
Mind blowing.
His potential is sky high and he has shown more than enough in nearly every game he plays with his skills, goals, work ethic, delivery that he has what it takes. Yes he is raw and is hit and miss but get off the lad's back.
These players that people cry out for are always inconsistent by nature and when we do have them, people moan. It's always the same. You just wait till they turn on Martial, because it'll happen.
I think you are kidding yourself a bit if you think that based on the games he's played his potential is "sky high".
He's young and come from a league where it's comparitively easy to shine. He's too raw for the PL at the moment and he generally flatters to deceive although there are moments when he does something which give you encouragement. He's got potential and will undoubtedly improve - his decision making and final execution needs to improve enormously (and I am sure it will). He has potential, of that there is no doubt, but "sky high" is not what I see his ceiling as - then we are comparing him to a Ronaldo and he'll not come close to that level.
He's young and come from a league where it's comparitively easy to shine. He's too raw for the PL at the moment and he generally flatters to deceive although there are moments when he does something which give you encouragement. He's got potential and will undoubtedly improve - his decision making and final execution needs to improve enormously (and I am sure it will). He has potential, of that there is no doubt, but "sky high" is not what I see his ceiling as - then we are comparing him to a Ronaldo and he'll not come close to that level.
Borderline. He's going to be better than Ralphy.
He has barely played 10 games...Been thrown into a new system, new players, complete new league, playing at one of the biggest clubs in the world. He is one of the players that has slightly more license to be creative and LvG clearly wants him to make things happen. He has shown enough in these very few games that he is a very exciting young talent and he will only get better. To start flaming him after barely 10 games is beyond me.
I swear this thread is mostly people defending him from criticism that doesn't exist.
Like, yeah there's a few weirdos calling him Nani and stuff but most of the posts in here go
'I can't understand all the criticism' and then a completely over the top defence against largely imagined criticism.
Like, yeah there's a few weirdos calling him Nani and stuff but most of the posts in here go
'I can't understand all the criticism' and then a completely over the top defence against largely imagined criticism.
He's built like a tank. Has he put more muscle on since joining United?
Few will, which is why its a poor comparison to make to begin with. In fact I'd hazard a guess that if a young Ronaldo joined us now you'd see post after post of 'he'll not come close to that level' if people said he was going to be in the discussion when it comes to best players ever to play the game so its a silly stick to beat him with.
It's a difficult one, really, anyone that comes into this thread and says anything along the lines of 'he is playing well' is talking nonsense. He's been pretty disappointing so far. Which isn't completely unexpected. But anyone using that to form the opinion 'he's clearly not very good' is not worth listening to.
He seems a bit over-eager at times (which probably has been exasperated by the ease with which Martial has made an impact) you criticise his decision making which is fair game, I guess, but I wouldn't say we've actually seen any evidence of decision making at all. Whenever he's had the opportunity to shoot or try and set someone up he's always shot not, I would say, because he's greedy but he's clearly desperate to get himself settled in and up and running. Compare that to Martial who hasn't really tried to hard, he's not snatched at his chances or taking on things which he shouldn't. He's just gone about his business in exactly the same way he would as if he's been here for years.
But its an interesting comparison, I wonder if you'd argue if Martial's potential is 'sky-high', I suspect you probably would, but its obviously an erroneous comparison because you're basing it on such a small sample size where Martial's been inarguably brilliant and Memphis has been pretty poor. They'll both go through patches where this form will reverse, Memphis will play better and Martial will struggle. Only then, really can we make definitive predictions on either potential.
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