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One thing that surprised me was that he has great control and his passing is actually really good. Good quick flicks and tricks but he also made some high quality passes. Slightly different from the impression I had of him being a direct pacey winger and not as complete as he looked like he could become.
you and probably every other United fan.
You'll be pleasantly surprised then this season. That's a big part of what Memphis earned his transfer with, not just his goals. In the year before the WC he already was a great winger (Eredivisie ofcourse) but last season he improved his overall game so dramatically, it was like he was being held back in the years before. I can't explain how much he improved in 1 season. Offensively he's very complete and doesn't have a real weakness other than his decision making which he will be working on.
If you sift through the b.s you will find the truth and this week he said it all - he is not playing Memphis through the middle because of the potential he has, no, he is doing that to keep Ashley Young in the side. Not that there is something bad about playing Young if he is in form, which he was when the season ended. Same as the left footed cb fetish he has going, it's just to accommodate Blind.
I don't really have a problem with playing Memphis there but pushing him up so high terribly affects the build up and I also think we can use his pace to great effect he starts a bit deeper than he was on Saturday. If he doesn't want that then he has to play Herrera in place of one of the two DMs. We need that central thrust from somewhere and if we get right then there will be more space for wingers to exploit.
What I don't understand, is if he wants to keep young in the side at the moment, move him to the right, Mata in the middle and Memphis on the left.
Surely having Mata and Memphis in their best position is more beneficial than having Young in his?
Surely having Mata and Memphis in their best position is more beneficial than having Young in his?
When will this guy start scoring?
He was among the top scorer in Europe last season and I have yet to see signs of prolificacy in that department for United this season. His only goal, even though well taken was a fortunate one made against a sub par team. I understand it takes time to settle, but I can not help but feel our coaching staff are managing him wrongly and if managed better, he would continue where he left off last season and appear more prolific in front of goal.
He was among the top scorer in Europe last season and I have yet to see signs of prolificacy in that department for United this season. His only goal, even though well taken was a fortunate one made against a sub par team. I understand it takes time to settle, but I can not help but feel our coaching staff are managing him wrongly and if managed better, he would continue where he left off last season and appear more prolific in front of goal.
We've only had one competitive game so far this season.
I included his performance in pre-season. Even though those are not competitive matches, I still expect to see prolificacy in the goal scoring department. I have no doubt he will find his feet, but with the current path he is on in regards to his performance, it might not meet my expectation. He needs to be advise differently and played in a role similar to hazard or Ronaldo, e.g. free roaming left.
Yep. We haven't even played our second game of the season yet and it looks like you aren't on the wind up..
It is a win win scenario for me at the moment. If he scores for Aston Villa tomorrow, that will be great for my fantasy team. If he does not, my point will start exhibiting some concern about the issue I spoke of.
fairplay. 2 games in though there is hardly an issue to raise. Not a single United player has scored yet this season.Yea, what is even worrying is Rooney scored only one goal in preseason and barely looked prolific, yet he suppose to be our primary striker next season and score 20 plus goals. Anyway, I m just being an optimist and their is a possibility something can click with them as the season progress.
The basis for my argument is appearing prolific, not whether he has has scored only one goal in pre-season.
Is this what you call optimism? I don't think it means what you think it means.
I ment pessimistic. I usually mix the two up, but in reality, I am a realist who use facts to support my opinion.
Young would be half as useful on the right.
I'd just drop him and play Herrera through the middle.
I hope Memphis will score a hattrick today so Amadeus can be satisfied.
It's hilarious to see the number of people who expected Depay to waltz in and immediately replace Young on the left. Probably the same one's who are under the impression that he's some sort mazy dribbler and is going to go past players for fun when really, he's more or less at the same level as Young when it comes to dribbling with the ball.
It was never going to happen. As sad as it might sound, Ashley Young is the best thing about our attack right now and all those moaning and whining about him not being dropped should just give it a rest. Depay is more likely to be dropped than Young. In fact, pretty much every person in our attack is more likely to be dropped than Young and rightly so.
Besides, the experiment of him playing through the middle has plenty of promise and definitely worth sticking with for a few more games.
It was never going to happen. As sad as it might sound, Ashley Young is the best thing about our attack right now and all those moaning and whining about him not being dropped should just give it a rest. Depay is more likely to be dropped than Young. In fact, pretty much every person in our attack is more likely to be dropped than Young and rightly so.
Besides, the experiment of him playing through the middle has plenty of promise and definitely worth sticking with for a few more games.
Rooney currently doesn't have the right pass in him to put Memphis through on goal through the middle. Against Spurs Memphis made some great runs and could have been found by an in-form Rooney or Mata but it just didn't happen. Rooney's passes to Memphis were either too short, too long, at the wrong time or just completely overhit. I can accept Rooney losing his pace as he gets older but this was something he was really good at while transitioning his play style over the years.
Don't really understand this post at all.
We signed Depay on the basis of his excellent performances on the left, a position we needed to upgrade because Young, while a decent player, does not produce performances even close to those of similar players at our rivals. That's just obvious and something that Van Gaal has explicitly talked about recently when he compared Young to the likes of Neymar and Hazard.
I can't speak for everyone but in terms of what I expected it would have been the two competing for the same position with Depay eventually winning out on the basis of his far superior goal scoring. To put that into perspective in 116 games for United Young has scored 13 goals, this is less than half of what Depay managed just last season. I also disagree with you on their respective dribbling abilities, over the last two seasons the number of times Young successfully beat his man were 1.66 and 1.13 per 90 minutes, Depay managed 2.82 and 3.37, a clear upgrade.
Instead Depay has not seen a single minute in his best position and has exclusively been used as a second striker while Young has no competition for his place on the left apart from younger players. Given how feeble our attack has looked both in pre-season and against Tottenham I am struggling to see how this experiment has shown 'plenty of promise'.
It's a good thing Young is not competing with Neymar or Hazard then. We don't know why or with intention LVG signed Depay. For all we know, the intent was always to play Depay through the middle. Given LVG's comments it's obvious he rates Young on the left. And it's not like Depay is a conventional winger either like Young is. Depay is more about goal scoring and getting on the end of chances than creating them.
Yes, Depay is more productive no doubt (although it remains to be seen if he can get anywhere near the same number of goals in a better league) but he's not a clear upgrade on Young when it comes to dribbling which is actually quite obvious when you watch him a few times.
Depay has played 60 minutes of official football for a new team in a new league. Nice of you to give it so much time. And yes, I think there's been promise. It's possible he will grow into the role and do very well. It's well worth persisting for me.
I don't dislike him but I think he's an average player, but has tremendous work rate and always does a shift - something which LvG seems to love! I just feel that in those positions that Young finds himself in might be better suited to Memphis. I feel like he could create more in those positions.
I'm sure he'll get a chance on the wing in due course, it'll be up to him then to show what he can do as I don't think centrally we're getting the best out of him from the little we've seen in pre-season and the first game last week.
I'm sure he'll get a chance on the wing in due course, it'll be up to him then to show what he can do as I don't think centrally we're getting the best out of him from the little we've seen in pre-season and the first game last week.
Jesus, you're not hard to please, are you? I guess we should just sell him or put him in the reserves? He obviously is an abject failure here.
Let's sell him. The transfer window is still open.
We've got some 3 games before September 1st? Let's give him three games to decide his fate.
My problem is not with Depay as I think he is a quality player, but with Van Gaal and how he is playing him. If you have watched Depay play before, his performance at United thus far as been below average. He has not been giving the right positional freedom or instruction to progress his game from my point of view. Playing him behind the striker seems more of a hindrance than a benefit. But, as I stated before football is unpredictable. He could somehow start appear prolific and become a better predator in the box.
That would be great but I have higher hopes that Smalling scores a hat trick today.
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No. I honestly think we've all seen enough to know he's not good enough. One game is enough to see that.
I was being sarcastic originally by the way. He'll come good. He's got something about him that you don't see often (talent & attitude without being a nuisance).
Apologies to trigg, if that's the case.To be fair to @Trigg , I'm fairly certain he's talking about Young there. If not....
Doh. Sarcasm inception.
Exactly the point though. I'm confident he'll turn into our main man at some point. Whether it's this season or two seasons time isn't a problem. Everything about the kid screams something special though. Maybe that's a bit too much, but at the very least he'll be a good player for us given time.
Feck me, you're a little ray of sunshine, aren't you?
Look, if your issue is with Van Gaal's approach and recently chosen position to play Depay in, then maybe you should post more than one sentence of positional criticism and then not follow that up with several separate posts criticizing the player specifically because he hasn't scored 20 goals already in the handful of preseason, and ONE WHOLE actual match he's played for us.
You may want to grab a pint or two and sit out the next couple months of football if you're going to get this downtrodden over our players form(s) in August. We're not known for lighting the football world on fire early days, and I feel as though maybe the strain from the disappointment may cause you to stroke out, or possibly cause you to morph into Eeyore.
Relax, brother. We've only 10 months left in the season.
One sentence of positional criticism? I have been vocal about my opposition towards Depay positional role for a long time. I might even say I was the leading advocate towards playing him in a more free left role.
The Smalling part was a hyperbole. And my problem as I stated already is not his one goal scored, but appearing prolific and like a player who could continue his goal scoring form from last season.
Give him time, give him a chance, guy has just started his career and you're already worried if he's profilic or not.
feck me!
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