Agreed. People on here getting too excited over someone who's long term prospect.
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Agreed. People on here getting too excited over someone who's long term prospect.
Counter attacking football mostly (the club will deny it as that is blasphemy in Holland, but it was their best weapon). Wijnaldum, Memphis, Narsingh, Arias and Willems are very fast and combined nicely with a good passer in Maher, defensive workhorse in Guardado and target man in de Jong. Once they got the ball in a dangerous position they'd break away at pace. They weren't the best at breaking compact teams down but always had a few options: a long range shooter in Memphis or crosses to de Jong who scored 10 headers. Good at setpieces too.
LVG seems to be really trying to force this whole Rooney/Memphis partnership, which I don't think is a particularly wise thing to do. Nor does it look remotely like working.
The best partnerships just happen, or form over time. You can't force it.
The best partnerships just happen, or form over time. You can't force it.
This guy knows. Can we make him manager?
He doesnt understand the philosophy..
@NL Max I find your perspective on Memphis interesting but fundamentally disagree. Memphis is clearly a gifted player but I do not believe he will thrive in the highly congested central areas, especially in the Premier League. In European competition he might be given more time and space. Domestically, however, he will be swarmed upon the second he gets the ball. Clever though he is, Memphis does not have that Iniesta level close control required to wriggle away from that level of attention.
To my eyes Memohis would be much better suited to playing off the wing, where he will get more time and space, and have more opportunities to exploit one v one situations. I agree he's not the kind who will hug the touchline, and I don't want him to be that. Ronaldo wasn't that when he was at United and it didn't harm him or us one bit. A Memphis coming into defenders blind spots from the flank, or cutting inside to shoot would be a very dangerous Memphis for United to have indeed.
To my eyes Memohis would be much better suited to playing off the wing, where he will get more time and space, and have more opportunities to exploit one v one situations. I agree he's not the kind who will hug the touchline, and I don't want him to be that. Ronaldo wasn't that when he was at United and it didn't harm him or us one bit. A Memphis coming into defenders blind spots from the flank, or cutting inside to shoot would be a very dangerous Memphis for United to have indeed.
I don't think anyone does.
Why the feck was he pissed when he was subbed? That's not a good attitude for a new signing, you're not entitled to game time, son.
Awesome. Thanks. That was the impression I got, as many of his goals seemed to be against stretched defences. He's powerful, so he should be able to transfer his skills to a more dominant team, given time.
Well, if your debut at a competitive level for United was rather poor, you would not want to come of either because you would want to improve with the small minutes remaining. I do not blame him for the attitude he showed and I m glad he was disappointed by his performance because that means he will try and do better next time.
Nevertheless, I feel Van Gaal is being a massive troll by playing him through the middle. I have not seen much beside little glimpse in the last 5 or mores games he has played for United that shows his true quality.
He was stifled today and will continue to be if he's played as a #10. He would be far more effective on the wing.
You have to laugh...our manager is something else
I have never said I see him at his best at 10 because he still has to prove that. However, if you've followed him troughout the years you'll notice that after the WC he improved his overall game at such an absurd rate (yes I know, only ED) that I don't disagree with this experiment of playing him centrally. On paper the idea doesn't sound bad to me, he'll compensate for Rooney's lack of speed and he will be involved alot all over the pitch just how he was at his best for PSV. If he continues his development after he has settled he can easily play at 10, even under high pressure. The downfall I see with him centrally is conceding possession too often like Di Maria did with passing, not that he can't cope with the intensity of the PL or that he doesn't have the control of Iniesta right now.
I also think Mata and Memphis both out wide would be far too narrow for van Gaal as both cut inside and roam. For all we know this experiment gets dropped as Pedro comes in. I just tried to explain to the 'ohh look van Gaal is playing players out of position again'-peoples that I can actually think of the logic behind it. I would play Mata at 10 and Memphis LW if I was the manager but Memphis has potential to play anywhere across the front 4 if given the freedom.
I'm hoping we'll see Pedro and Memphis wide and either Mata or Herrera through the middle eventually. I can't believe van Gaal intends to stick with Young and Mata as wingers again
Has to be the plan, maybe it's just too obvious
It's these little odd things by Van Gaal that just don't make sense that he keeps doing that really get to me... like wtf does he see???
Mata whos best central is played out wide.
Memphis whos best out wide is played centrally.
Herrera who is our best midfielder and our main creativity/mobility in midfield.. benched.
Blind at CB?
Why is it these things that are so obvious to everyone else aren't to him? It almost feels like stubborness, "everyone else thinks that would be the logical thing to do so i will deliberately not do that"
Mata whos best central is played out wide.
Memphis whos best out wide is played centrally.
Herrera who is our best midfielder and our main creativity/mobility in midfield.. benched.
Blind at CB?
Why is it these things that are so obvious to everyone else aren't to him? It almost feels like stubborness, "everyone else thinks that would be the logical thing to do so i will deliberately not do that"
In your opinion, very subjective as to whom is our best midfielder. We got worse after he came on
True but i think a combo of one defensive/enforcer style ie Carrick, Schneiderlin or Schweinsteiger and ine creative/mobile midfielder like Herrera would be much better than just 2 defensive/enforcer midfielders together.
Herrera was phenominal when played in that main midfield role last season bagging goals, assists and all round great controlling of the midfield.
Well i will try to answer you:
Maybe Van Gaal thinks Memphis is not good on the left wing and that Young is not good on the right wing. So the formations that comes to you is Young right, Memphis central and Mata left.
Ofcourse We can play Memphis right, Herrera central and Mata left but it will be even slower attack then now. Buying right winger like Pedro will solve the problem.
People used to be bewildered at the things Fergie did aswell to be fair.
Need to have him playing facing the goal. Really think it restricts a skilful player who is direct if they have to start on the turn.
It's very frustrating. Just like the 3-5-2 or the stuff he says about left footed centrebacks.
I think we need to play whats better for the team, not just for him.
Yesterday there were a few times when he got the ball in the middle in an advanced position and Rooney had come back to him to help as a single striker is entitled to do. At that point he needs the two wide forward to be bombing forward and giving him options, as the striker is not there, but Young isnt good enough for that and Mata isnt fast enough. Memphis should be that player.
It's a process.
Fergie did took some odd decisions, but you understood the logic behind them. It's more like this: we have plan A and plan B, most will chose plan A but Fergie will go for plan B. In Van Gaals case, it's a totally odd decision that no one understands. I'm still trusting him because of his experience but the (little) knowledge I have of football has left me clueless about what he's doing.
If LVG has bought him in to play purely as a #10 then its a poor decision. If he doesn't like wingers who cut in then he shouldnt have brought him. Almost all wingers nowadays do cut in. That is why they are an added threat unlike Young or Valencia who are one just one trick ponies. If Memphis cuts in, it gives Shaw some extra freedom to bomb forward and draw one or two players with him.
He never really got into the game today, we didn't play much through the middle everything went down the flanks with runs from Shaw and Darmin. He didn't look like a natural in the position.
Going to get many of those types of games from him this season, whether he is central or wide. We can't expect too much from him just yet, he will learn from games like this. Wasn't bad but needs to adapt and I'm sure he will show his quality in the long run.
How will things form over time if you dont let them have time together?
We have to be patient with him. He's still a kid.
I just hope he has the right attitude. For some reason it's the only concern I have with him. Not based on much apart from some comments here and there and what his attitude used to be when he was younger.
I just hope he has the right attitude. For some reason it's the only concern I have with him. Not based on much apart from some comments here and there and what his attitude used to be when he was younger.
Van Gaal is like that showboating guy you play with at kickabouts who ignores you when you're open and an easy pass away who'd rather rabona the ball through 3 defenders to pass to the fat kid on the other side of the pitch.
I think the logic is that Young has established himself as our best option on the left and deserves to start there (which I agree with, despite the unfair stick he gets on here)
Sticking Memphis on the right takes away his ability to cut to the right of a defender and shoot (his signature move) and Mata has done very well for us on the right but not so well centrally (albeit from a small sample).
I might not agree but there is a logic there. Sort of.
Sticking Memphis on the right takes away his ability to cut to the right of a defender and shoot (his signature move) and Mata has done very well for us on the right but not so well centrally (albeit from a small sample).
I might not agree but there is a logic there. Sort of.
Pogue I was at the game yesterday and I realise we don't have the quality a Barca or Bayern have up top as yet. But you can see what LVG is doing we lack a centre half as it stands and fix the GK situation. But for me we are going the right way no doubt about it. But I think LVG is in for some stick along the way as imo we will struggle for goals with this front three. As said the quality is not there of a Barca and that's no slight we have good players. But more importantly what we lack is movement in our front three and until we get this we will be to predictable and rely on special moments or mistakes. Our two wide forwards (wingers) need to be making diagonals across the line but don't and we look static and tumescent. If we can get this working then we will challenge if not we will not score enough. Role on Pedro who does this.
I was suprised how much he played like he is 30+ years old. Static in the build up and run around just when it was absolutely needed. One Example is when Schneiderlin passed a ball in the way he runed and he started that run at the walking pace, just to realise that Tottenham defender will get a ball first and only then he ran to the ball as he would have to from the start of the move, needless to say Tottenham defender was first to the ball. I want to see more movement from him, maybe it will come with games, maybe it will came with switch to wing. But i want to see our young attackers to work as hard as posible in attack and he didn't do that yesterday.
I agree 100%. Our two midfielders sit deep, while strikers (Rooney and Depay) stay high up the pitch. As a consequence, the responsibility is on wingers to be the connection between midfield and attack. Young is working his socks off but he has his limitations. Mata is struggling because all he can do is keep the ball moving, for obvious reasons he won't beat a defender. Two strikers means there is too crowded in the middle so wingers are asked to stay wide to stretch the defense.
Like you said, 4-3-3 would suit us better. One midfielder sitting deep controlling the tempo, another (Schneiderlin) doing dirty job and Herrera in front of them to support the attack. Rooney leads the line, with Memphis and Mata on left and right respectively with a licence to drift inside, while Shaw and Darmian keep the width.
Like van Gaal said, he likes to play formation that creates triangles between players, and rightly so because it worked very well last season, especially against big teams which were stretched across the pitch. The way we play right now is very flat and it makes strikers isolated. I don't understand why we are playing this way.
Young was getting nothing from Walker. Feck knows why we didn't move Memphis there to try and test him. Young could've moved to the middle or the right.
He is clearly a winger and should play there. He was lost and poor yesterday and when you see that Young is not getting anything, why not put him there? Another strange decision by LVG
The only times he looked comfortable, and like he was alive/in the game was when he'd pick up the ball in a wide position... as if he actually knew what he was meant to do with it when he picked it up in those areas.
I hope this central thing doesn't carry on for too long... I don't think it'll do the lad any favours. He's trying to adjust to a new country and a new league, you'd think we'd make it easier for him by actually playing him in his natural position.
I hope this central thing doesn't carry on for too long... I don't think it'll do the lad any favours. He's trying to adjust to a new country and a new league, you'd think we'd make it easier for him by actually playing him in his natural position.
I thought he was poor on Saturday, not the only one mind. I think the front 4 was very poor as a whole. Slow, laboured, static. Still early days.
I do agree with everyone that thinks he should be wide left. Just seems to make sense. Even if he's wanting to start with Young, Depay and Mata you could theoretically have Young playing through the middle. I just think all the times Young had their full back 1-on-1 and didn't really do much with it. I think Depay might have done more with those opportunities.
I do agree with everyone that thinks he should be wide left. Just seems to make sense. Even if he's wanting to start with Young, Depay and Mata you could theoretically have Young playing through the middle. I just think all the times Young had their full back 1-on-1 and didn't really do much with it. I think Depay might have done more with those opportunities.
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