Dembélé was the best player in the BL. He had his problems in Barca in his first year due to being a spoilt brat, but has been great for a few months now. So that's like what, 1,5 years out of 2,5 where he is playing at the level Rashford is doing currently? Sané has also only been truly bad the first 6 months for City (out of those he was injured or on the bench most of the games), he was extraordinary the second half of last season and continued that form until the last 2 games or so. Rashford has been good under LVG (but nowhere near the the level those two had been showing), has stagnated under Mou the last few years and just started playing well for the last 2 months FFS...
Mbappe vs Rashford - Taking the L from Lukaku
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Dembélé was the best player in the BL. He had his problems in Barca in his first year due to being a spoilt brat, but has been great for a few months now. So that's like what, 1,5 years out of 2,5 where he is playing at the level Rashford is doing currently? Sané has also only been truly bad the first 6 months for City (out of those he was injured or on the bench most of the games), he was extraordinary the second half of last season and continued that form until the last 2 games or so. Rashford has been good under LVG (but nowhere near the the level those two had been showing), has stagnated under Mou the last few years and just started playing well for the last 2 months FFS...
Oh well, Mbappe kind of started playing at 18. Rooney started at 16, cause physically he was ahead of most 16 years old. Talent was, it is, and has never been close.Are you dyslexic. I put 18, it’s not a United thing we’re talking about the kid that broke through at Everton and killed France in the Euro’s. Pure talent and matured attributes like Mbappe has.
I just find it funny that only the fans rave about Mbappe never his peers.
Again, Mbappe ended 4th in Ballon d'Or voting, the rating which historically has been the most important. The highest Rooney ever finished was in 5th place (though to be fair, the top 4 back then was great, with 4 historical level players).
Seriously... let's just agree to disagree....
What's with the desperation to overrate all our young players? Rashford is a very good player, isn't that enough? There's no need to try and argue he's the best young player out there when he isn't.
Rooney scored goals in group stages of Euros (and crashed in quarter finals), while Mbappe won the world cup (scoring in final) yet somehow Rooney wins that duel in your head.
Rooney got injured and it was over. I doubt we could say the same with Mbappe considering he wasn’t the reason the team was strong. He played his part but like I said earlier let’s not rate his World Cup title like he drove a team on like R9 for Brazil or Maradon for Argentina. He wasn’t that.
No one is rating his performance like those two.
Though clearly his world cup 2018 is better than Rooney's Euro 2004. Which also happened to be the only good (with the others being pure shit) international tournaments Rooney had.
By watching him play. I've never seen Ballon d'or potential in Rashford, ever.
He's a very talented young striker, but he's not at that level. I could be entirely wrong and it's all about opinions, but that's just what I see.
I don't know if he will be that good, but "people say" he is a better player now than CR7 was at the same age. Take that any way you like...
I think your skewing your argument on the fact that you expect there to be a player or players out there that can replicate Messi and Ronaldo. It’s not going to happen. Ballon d’or history has proved to select the best player for that year. This year was the first time we’ve got a brief look at things minus the two exceptions and it went to Modric. With that in mind it would be very naive to assume Rashford will never reach that level. It’s not even a bloody yard stick to judge talent when you look at all the players who haven’t won it.
I'm not just thinking of Messi or Ronaldo. I view someone like Mbappe as having the potential to fight the Ballon d'or, but I don't see that same potential in Rashford. Why would it be naive to think he could never reach the potential of Modric? At his peak he was the best CM in the world and crucial to multiple Champions League wins, he was an incredible midfielder. Rashford would be doing very, very well to reach that level.
I think Rashford will end up as one of the better strikers in world football, but just below the tier that compete for the Ballon d'or. Again, I might be wrong and he might end up being right up there and as an England fan that would be great for us, but I don't see that when I watch him play.
Win or not is irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. Kane is considered by many one of the best strikers in the PL and he's never made it in the top 3 in the Ballon D'or. It means nothing, he's still considered one of the best. Rashford has the potential of becoming a 25-30 goals a season striker for us. If he does time will tell but if/when he does, teams will fear him just like they do Kane.
Personally, I don't think it's fair to make Rashford vs M'Bappe comparisons yet. For the past couple years Rashford has been in and out of the team and playing in a style and position that wasn't right for him. Now with Ole stearing the ship, and Rashford playing in his preferred position, we are seeing what so many of us already knew/thought he could do. The problem is it's still too soon as it's only been 10 games for him (9 starts and didnt' play vs Fulham). However, in his last 9 starts he has 6 goals, so that's showing the kind of quality he has. Let's just hope he can keep it up...
I think Rashford has more chances of winning Ballon D'Or than Kane in term of marketable, the club he plays for, his brand exposure and scoring constantly against top teams.
Being said that, I never take Ballon D'or seriously, they seem to overrate player like Modric and Mbappe ahead of Messi.
You're basically agreeing with me. I've dismissed league 1 stats because they're almost pointless in such debate but I've also mentioned that no one needs those stats anyways to know that Mbappe is better than Rashford.
You're really not disagreeing with me here.
Mbappé is better but it isn't impossible that Marcus close the gap between them.
Again Ousmane Dembele is the only crack in this generation of u23 attacking players.
It's him and far behind Mbappe then the rest : Martial/Sterling/Coman/Rashford/Sané/Bailey/Vicinius/Sancho/Lemar/Brandt/Davies...
Again Ousmane Dembele is the only crack in this generation of u23 attacking players.
It's him and far behind Mbappe then the rest : Martial/Sterling/Coman/Rashford/Sané/Bailey/Vicinius/Sancho/Lemar/Brandt/Davies...
Sanogo, Gouffran and Gomis weren't high profile players while Giroud only had one particularly good season in Ligue 1.
In France a LOT of people are starting to realize that Griezmann and Mbappé are vastly overrated and that the true talent are Pogba and Dembele.
In fact even Mbappé said that Dembele was the true crack. And a lot of player who played with them are saying this like Abdou Diallo ( Dortmund defender ).
But Mbappé shone in the world cup while Dembele was on the bench after a season with a lot injuries...he was out of shape but you need glasses if you think that Mbappé is more talented than Dembouz or better this season ( or the 16/17 season ).
Giroud at Montpellier:
A goal or assist every 128 minutes
in England:
A goal or assist every 110 minutes
Lacazette at Lyon (excluding 11/12 and 12/13 where he was learning his trade and playing a lot on the wing):
A goal or assist every 109 minutes
in England:
A goal or assist every 112 minutes
And Laca's L1 stats are inflated by an inordinate number of pens, he was called Penalzette for a reason.
Since Giroud and Lacazette were the only relevant examples in your list really, we can conclude that it seems overall easier to score in England, so quit your nonsense of a striker's stats being cut in half when moving from L1 to the PL, they aren't decreasing at all.
Not the best time to be blowing trumpet about Rashford being better lads 
Rashford is better than likes of Origi, Jesus and Iheanacho who were pegged better than him in the past but Mbappe is on a different level to him as a player, he just has that ruthlessness of a top top player which is not there in Rashfords' game. He's going to be a big big problem for us in the tie especially with duo of Lindelof-Jones at the back.
Rashford is better than likes of Origi, Jesus and Iheanacho who were pegged better than him in the past but Mbappe is on a different level to him as a player, he just has that ruthlessness of a top top player which is not there in Rashfords' game. He's going to be a big big problem for us in the tie especially with duo of Lindelof-Jones at the back.
Mbappe is a once in a generation talent. The fact he plays in the French league should not be something that is used to beat him with. He's performed at a World Cup and in the CL already.
Not the best time to be blowing trumpet about Rashford being better lads
Rashford is better than likes of Origi, Jesus and Iheanacho who were pegged better than him in the past but Mbappe is on a different level to him as a player, he just has that ruthlessness of a top top player which is not there in Rashfords' game. He's going to be a big big problem for us in the tie especially with duo of Lindelof-Jones at the back.
I wouldn't be that worried, Mbappé is a striker and PSG are currently weak in terms of creativity. I wouldn't be surprised if Rashford has a better game.
So at 20 years old you forseen Modric being one of the best midfielder in world football and a ballon d’or winner?
Nothing is impossible, it's just that currently there is no way you can rate someone like Rashford anywhere near Mbappé. Of course anything can happen within the next few years, Mbappé can disappear into irrelevancy like Pato, Quaresma, Gourcuff or countless other great talents. Currently, I'd have those tiers of forwards that are quite similar in terms of talent:
Tier 1: Mbappé
Tier 2: Dembélé/Sané/Sterling/Sancho/Vinicius (with the latter two actually having played too few games to assess, and Sterling having the "lowest" ceiling but being the most consistent player out of the bunch)
Tier 3: Rashford/Martial/Coman/(Asensio) (with Martial being probably the most talented, but most inconsistent)
Tier 4: Baily/Brandt/Jesus and the rest
I hope you're right and Rashford has an incredible game but Mbappe's pace worries me a lot. It'll only take one decent pass from Di Maria/Verratti to set him free, no one in our back 4 is catching him.
Anyone who thought Modric would become the best midfielder in the world at age of 20-22 is chatting pure shit, even his recent Ballon d'Or win is seen as a joke considering Messi finished 5th in the voting
Dembele is by far the most talented... you really need to watch him. This guy glide between the player, break anckle for fun, fast as the wind, good eyes fo the pass, starting to be a goal scorer too...
Mbappé dream is to be half as talented than him...
I did alot actually when he was still in the BL (I'm a Bayern fan). He is the best pure dribbler out of all of them, but Mbappé and Sané are both quicker and stronger than him.
Nonsense is those stats. This is what they actually look like in terms of progression:
Lacazette:
Season - Goals - Minutes per goal
14/15 - 27 - 106
15/16 - 21 - 141
16/17 - 28 - 86
17/18 - 14 - 158
18/19* - 10 - 172
Giroud:
Season - Goals - Minutes per goal
10/11 - 12 - 243
11/12 - 21 - 153
12/13 - 11 - 212
13/14 - 16 - 193
14/15 - 14 - 133
I don't need to point out when they both moved to England, its quite clear. Lacazette saw his productivity literally halve and Giroud took 3 seasons to get up to the pace of the PL.
Wow, @Revan really loves Mbappé
Nah. But I am objective.
Like what on his own? I'm pretty sure if you'd have stuck Rashford in there France would still be in with a chance.
Mbappe is a top talent. I think he's class. But he's fecking way overrated on here. It's mental.
You do love him though, it's like you take offence if someone slightly tries to discuss it (I also think Mbappé is better fwiw).
Crystal ball. I remember people didn't give Ronaldo a chance and said Robben was much better player etc etc. Talent is just one component.
Dembele is the most "complete" player of all of them. Can pass with both feet, can shoot from range, dribble with and without space, can cross etc. What he seems to lack is not talent, it is (based on what Barca has been saying) discipline.
No, which is why I said I could be wrong about Rashford. My point is with what I've seen from his performances I don't think that level of potential is clear with him, whereas with Mbappe it's very, very obvious. Hence why comparisons between the two right now are a bit silly because for me Mbappe is at a different level currently.
Players develop at different rates, so it's perfectly possible that at their respective primes Rashford could be better, feck knows.
And if Rashford does? What does that say to you? Maybe that circumstances play a part in the way we view players?
Maybe had Mbappe spent past 3 years at United he'd be rated much closer to Rashford than he is right now?
It would tell me nothing, circumstances have always play a part in the way I view players that's why I sometimes rate and don't rate players despite their output. In the case of Rashford and Mbappé, I rate both players but I have been more impressed by Mbappé who hasn't been always in the best situation for example the right wing is the worst for him but that's where he plays for PSG.
Fair enough. I rate Mbappe too. I'd absolutely love him at United but I think we've our own wonder kid that we shouldn't write off. I mean a lot of people aren't but a lot of people don't think Rashford has what it takes to become the best - which again is fair enough but I'll just wait and see. I think he does.
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