Matthijs de Ligt / signs for Juventus, lowering their average age to 56

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Skills said:
The fanbase here would also rip him to shreds about everything, if he doesn't live up to expectations.
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Absolutely. When you see the shit Rashford gets, a player further along in his development, I doubt they’d care for Ødegaard’s ambitious passing, or losses of the ball because he wants to play his way out.

Acquire Me said:
Speculative.

We might have a great season or it may end up like you suggest/fear.

We are great with young talents and we got superb faculties. No talents should need to have doubts going to us imo.

We are Manchester United. Nothing will change that fact.
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Not to be a dick, but that sounds like fanboi speak. Mata was bought for a solid price, a supposed sure thing, he’s struggled despite delivering good numbers. Sanchez struggled. Pogba’s struggled, and is now getting massive abuse despite having been one of our top performers.

I’d be more confident betting on Ole losing his job than not, just because nobody can afford to be patient now that football is a business first and foremost. A lot of people on here wish we’d not hired him permanently, or want us to sack him now. This is a club LEGEND, and still...

No, I do not want Ødegaard to come here, at a crucial juncture. I have a ton of faith in him, but we’ve seen United struggle with the finished product, which he’s not.

Also, he’d probably need at least season to get accustomed to the speed and physicality of the league. It just wouldn’t be the safest choice for his development. If we’d signed him for the academy a few years ago, I’d be saying something different.

Anyway, this is off-topic to my point that I get LvG not being gung-ho about de Ligt coming here.
 
Eriku said:
Absolutely. When you see the shit Rashford gets, a player further along in his development, I doubt they’d care for Ødegaard’s ambitious passing, or losses of the ball because he wants to play his way out.



Not to be a dick, but that sounds like fanboi speak. Mata was bought for a solid price, a supposed sure thing, he’s struggled despite delivering good numbers. Sanchez struggled. Pogba’s struggled, and is now getting massive abuse despite having been one of our top performers.

I’d be more confident betting on Ole losing his job than not, just because nobody can afford to be patient now that football is a business first and foremost. A lot of people on here wish we’d not hired him permanently, or want us to sack him now. This is a club LEGEND, and still...

No, I do not want Ødegaard to come here, at a crucial juncture. I have a ton of faith in him, but we’ve seen United struggle with the finished product, which he’s not.

Also, he’d probably need at least season to get accustomed to the speed and physicality of the league. It just wouldn’t be the safest choice for his development. If we’d signed him for the academy a few years ago, I’d be saying something different.

Anyway, this is off-topic to my point that I get LvG not being gung-ho about de Ligt coming here.
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What is a fanboi?
 
Eriku said:
Absolutely. When you see the shit Rashford gets, a player further along in his development, I doubt they’d care for Ødegaard’s ambitious passing, or losses of the ball because he wants to play his way out.



Not to be a dick, but that sounds like fanboi speak. Mata was bought for a solid price, a supposed sure thing, he’s struggled despite delivering good numbers. Sanchez struggled. Pogba’s struggled, and is now getting massive abuse despite having been one of our top performers.

I’d be more confident betting on Ole losing his job than not, just because nobody can afford to be patient now that football is a business first and foremost. A lot of people on here wish we’d not hired him permanently, or want us to sack him now. This is a club LEGEND, and still...

No, I do not want Ødegaard to come here, at a crucial juncture. I have a ton of faith in him, but we’ve seen United struggle with the finished product, which he’s not.

Also, he’d probably need at least season to get accustomed to the speed and physicality of the league. It just wouldn’t be the safest choice for his development. If we’d signed him for the academy a few years ago, I’d be saying something different.

Anyway, this is off-topic to my point that I get LvG not being gung-ho about de Ligt coming here.
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All true! You should post more Eriku. :)
 
Adam-Utd said:
LVG is massively sour against united (Woodward mainly) in the way he got fired. I don’t blame him but why he’s so personal against the club is crazy.
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LVG has integrity and expects the same from his employers. The club acted with a total lack of class towards a man with his coaching pedigree and he has said all along that it was Woodward's lack of honesty that pissed him off, so much so that he turned down jobs to ensure that United had to keep paying his contract.
 
Moriarty said:
LVG has integrity and expects the same from his employers. The club acted with a total lack of class towards a man with his coaching pedigree and he has said all along that it was Woodward's lack of honesty that pissed him off, so much so that he turned down jobs to ensure that United had to keep paying his contract.
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I had massive respect for the guy. But if that's what he did, he shouldn't complain to the press that he didn't get the Belgium national team job due to that stuffs. He chose it on his own, after all.
 
minh_loc_xoay said:
I had massive respect for the guy. But if that's what he did, he shouldn't complain to the press that he didn't get the Belgium national team job due to that stuffs. He chose it on his own, after all.
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I believe he said that he rejected the Belgium job in order to keep on getting paid by United. If he had taken another job, then United would no longer have had to pay his salary. Van Gaal later admitted his stance on Belgium was 'stupid' and motivated by revenge.
 
Eriku said:
If you can’t figure that out then I’m going to give up on trying to get my point of view across to you.
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That means stop being an asshole. There are a lot of fanboys around, but they are not fans of us.

On the caf you will see more spoiled fans like yourself who can’t see more than a few seasons back. You are just being realistic, yeah yeah, cry me a river.

It’s time fans over here stand by our club, manager and our players.

By the logic of some of you guys it sounds like we are Everton and West Ham.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Don't blame him tbh, the way it was done was ridiculous, almost like Woodward trying to prove a point and show who's boss.
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I don't blame him for being bitter towards Ed either but I would appreciate it if he would keep his opinions to himself while we're trying to sign De Ligt. :D Saying that he should go to City then bad mouthing United is doing us no favours. :nono:
 
Tom Van Persie said:
I don't blame him for being bitter towards Ed either but I would appreciate it if he would keep his opinions to himself while we're trying to sign De Ligt. :D Saying that he should go to City then bad mouthing United is doing us no favours. :nono:
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I don't think it's meant to. I don't mind him forcing United to pay his contract, and I understand his anger towards Woodward (he makes this clear it's Woodward, not the club), but there comes a point when starts to sound like an embittered old fart with an axe to grind.
 
Raoul said:
Still bitter at Ed for sacking him apparently
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Not really, looking it in a neutral way City is a way better managed club than us. I wouldn’t advise any top talent to join us at the moment being honest.

Still LVG may have said that just to mess with us it fits his sour personality.
 
Acquire Me said:
That means stop being an asshole. There are a lot of fanboys around, but they are not fans of us.
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What means stop being an asshole? You asking me what 'fanboi' means? You're making no sense.

On the caf you will see more spoiled fans like yourself who can’t see more than a few seasons back. You are just being realistic, yeah yeah, cry me a river.

It’s time fans over here stand by our club, manager and our players.

By the logic of some of you guys it sounds like we are Everton and West Ham.
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I can see fairly far back, thanks... Been a United fan for 22 years, and have followed the Norwegian national team for as long. I remember 04-06, when people were unironically saying sack Fergie sell Giggs (yeah, that meme didn't pop up out of thin air), and I was a part of the contingent that had all the faith in the world that Fergie would turn it around. You can't have that faith when you have no clue who's going to be running the club come December, and when you've seen LvG and Mourinho struggle to get us back to something resembling the United we know.

Trust me, being spoiled isn't my problem. I am not surprised we're having issues after having had ONE guy embody the club for so long, then his successor gutting our backroom staff, and since then trying to play catch up without having anybody with football expertise sitting on the board making decisions. Yes, I am being realistic. I was hoping for a swift return to the top under each and every manager, I was among the last to call for Moyes' head, and the same goes for LvG and Mourinho, and you'll generally find me being one of the more optimistic posters on the caf. That said, Ødegaard is an unparallelled talent, and I would much prefer a safer journey to the top for him, rather than him being tossed into the chaos that is the current running of our club. That's just me wanting to hedge my bets, as I'd rather not see Ole, Ødegaard and United failing, all at once and together. Slightly pessimistic, maybe, but it's not because I think we're Everton or West Ham. Liverpool were not Everton or West Ham, how long did it take for them to win a league trophy again? Oh wait, they bloody haven't. They had a massive barren streak, and didn't win a major trophy again until 2005. Being a massive club, doesn't bring any fecking guarantees, so I'd say you're coming across as more entitled than me.

THIS, @Gazza, is the reason why I don't bother much.
 
Eriku said:
What means stop being an asshole? You asking me what 'fanboi' means? You're making no sense.



I can see fairly far back, thanks... Been a United fan for 22 years, and have followed the Norwegian national team for as long. I remember 04-06, when people were unironically saying sack Fergie sell Giggs (yeah, that meme didn't pop up out of thin air), and I was a part of the contingent that had all the faith in the world that Fergie would turn it around. You can't have that faith when you have no clue who's going to be running the club come December, and when you've seen LvG and Mourinho struggle to get us back to something resembling the United we know.

Trust me, being spoiled isn't my problem. I am not surprised we're having issues after having had ONE guy embody the club for so long, then his successor gutting our backroom staff, and since then trying to play catch up without having anybody with football expertise sitting on the board making decisions. Yes, I am being realistic. I was hoping for a swift return to the top under each and every manager, I was among the last to call for Moyes' head, and the same goes for LvG and Mourinho, and you'll generally find me being one of the more optimistic posters on the caf. That said, Ødegaard is an unparallelled talent, and I would much prefer a safer journey to the top for him, rather than him being tossed into the chaos that is the current running of our club. That's just me wanting to hedge my bets, as I'd rather not see Ole, Ødegaard and United failing, all at once and together. Slightly pessimistic, maybe, but it's not because I think we're Everton or West Ham. Liverpool were not Everton or West Ham, how long did it take for them to win a league trophy again? Oh wait, they bloody haven't. They had a massive barren streak, and didn't win a major trophy again until 2005. Being a massive club, doesn't bring any fecking guarantees, so I'd say you're coming across as more entitled than me.

THIS, @Gazza, is the reason why I don't bother much.
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You are calling me a fanboy and that’s rich imo. That’s why I asked you what that means. I am clearly not in that category.

Well, if we have to measure dicks, I have been a fan 28 years :lol:

That said, I agree with almost everything you said in this post, except that I think we would have done a good job with Ødegaard regardless of our current situation.

And Eriku, don’t stop posting because of this argument. We are basically agreeing on everything except Ødegaard. You pissed me of with the fanboy shit and I labelled you a spoiled fan. It’s over :)

I am probably one of the most optimistic United fan you find on here and that should be just fine imho.
 
SAFMUTD said:
Not really, looking it in a neutral way City is a way better managed club than us. I wouldn’t advise any top talent to join us at the moment being honest.

Still LVG may have said that just to mess with us it fits his sour personality.
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By this logic none of Pool's players should've joined them a few years ago since they weren't where they are now. If that were the case clubs would never improve.
 
Acquire Me said:
You are calling me a fanboy and that’s rich imo. That’s why I asked you what that means. I am clearly not in that category.
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I said:
Not to be a dick, but that sounds like fanboi speak
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So I was treading carefully, as well as making it clear that I was only referring to what you said. I said nothing about you as a person, because I know I've said idiotic things in my life, but that doesn't make me an idiot. You get me?

Well, if we have to measure dicks, I have been a fan 28 years :lol:
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Not looking to measure dicks, just to establish that I've been on the merry-go-round for a minute, and that I've not freaked out or become defeatist the moment we've fielded a team with Bellions, 2xDjembas and Klebersons. I'm not one of the people saying "sell 25 and buy 25 better players", and I've been one of the people lamenting the fact that the loudest among us tend to label things shite or brilliant, with no shades of grey between the two.

That said, I agree with almost everything you said in this post, except that I think we would have done a good job with Ødegaard regardless of our current situation.
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Maybe, maybe not. Neither of us know that, and I'll readily acknowledge that it could turn out beautifully if we were to get in Ødegaard. The Ødegaard thread has a fair few posts where someone else is annoyed with me not wanting Ødegaard to come our way, and I make it very clear that it's personal insecurities and a strong desire to see Ødegaard's development continue in the best way possible that makes me feel scared of the prospect. That coupled with some legitimate concerns, as you admitted.

And Eriku, don’t stop posting because of this argument. We are basically agreeing on everything except Ødegaard. You pissed me of with the fanboy shit and I labelled you a spoiled fan. It’s over :)

I am probably one of the most optimistic United fan you find on here and that should be just fine imho.
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a spoiled fan and an asshole ;P at any rate I've been shying away from a good number of discussions on here for a while now because I feel it tends to be pretty damn fruitless, and it negatively impacts me. Don't go hogging all the credit for the fact that I don't post my two cents as much ;)
 
Raoul said:
By this logic none of Pool's players should've joined them a few years ago since they weren't where they are now. If that were the case clubs would never improve.
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This 100%! We should have this posted every couple of pages to reaffirm the point too so as to reduce the number of fans posting the same defeatist crap.

I can understand fans being down and upset at the last few seasons. I feel the same way but....to come on to a United fan site and talk down about the team you supposedly support and add comments like “I wouldn’t go there, I wouldn’t recommend someone going there etc” boggles my mind. As Raoul says, how will we ever improve if players don’t take a chance on us? How did perennial losers spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal etc do it? Would our “fans” prefer we don’t bother? Prefer to see our team drop down the league....the negativity on here is at unreal levels atm.

I can’t ever imagine not wanting the best for United and that includes wanting the best players, even whilst acknowledging that all is not rosy presently. You get in two or three and the dynamic can change and then you’re off again. I would always recommend a player join United personally. We are still a massive club and it’ll come right eventually.

Bitter pricks like LVG won’t change that although I wish he’d shut his trap about us!
 
Ageuro Joined City when they weren't that good and he was one of the hottest prospects in world football.

If you are a young footballer joining a project could be really appealing as you have time on your side so you can see it through and be part of something special (Silva, Aguero, Toure) but at the same time not be put off by the thought of it working out because you can still move on and win things else where later on. Obviously this would be secondary to money which is the driving force behind EVERY career move.

I personally think we have a big chance of signing him and I'm eagerly awaiting to see what his new destination will be.
 
LVG is saying De Ligt suits possession football.

Barcelona, Ajax & the current city play with the ball at their feet & that is what he is addressing.

As LVG has said - Ole's football is as defensive as Jose's & can be regarded as counter attacking football - which no doubt still needs ball playing CB's.
 
Red71 said:
This 100%! We should have this posted every couple of pages to reaffirm the point too so as to reduce the number of fans posting the same defeatist crap.

I can understand fans being down and upset at the last few seasons. I feel the same way but....to come on to a United fan site and talk down about the team you supposedly support and add comments like “I wouldn’t go there, I wouldn’t recommend someone going there etc” boggles my mind. As Raoul says, how will we ever improve if players don’t take a chance on us? How did perennial losers spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal etc do it? Would our “fans” prefer we don’t bother? Prefer to see our team drop down the league....the negativity on here is at unreal levels atm.

I can’t ever imagine not wanting the best for United and that includes wanting the best players, even whilst acknowledging that all is not rosy presently. You get in two or three and the dynamic can change and then you’re off again. I would always recommend a player join United personally. We are still a massive club and it’ll come right eventually.

Bitter pricks like LVG won’t change that although I wish he’d shut his trap about us!
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Well said. Too many on here are already writing next season off with the doom and gloom. We cant get shut of every bit of deadwood in one go and we cant get in a load of ready made players in, in one go either. We have to take risks now with the likes of young players from our own ranks and with them from outside as well.
VG wasnt good enough and hes just bitter and twisted.
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
LVG is saying De Ligt suits possession football.

Barcelona, Ajax & the current city play with the ball at their feet & that is what he is addressing.

As LVG has said - Ole's football is as defensive as Jose's & can be regarded as counter attacking football - which no doubt still needs ball playing CB's.
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Re Ole s football. The first games when.he took over, he wasn't defensive at all. We were scoring goals for fun.
Then the team stopped playing and he had to change tactics and play more like Jose.
We have also to consider that he took over from Jose and you cannot change team overnight, though initially he seems to have succeeded.
 
dev1l said:
Then the team stopped playing
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Because of terrible injuries and poor contractual situation of certain players which affected their mentality as well, coupled with some mistakes on the part of ole.
 
Patrick08 said:
Because of terrible injuries and poor contractual situation of certain players which affected their mentality as well, coupled with some mistakes on the part of ole.
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True but my point is that for now we cannot judge Ole as a defensive manager. Next season we will have a better idea.
Imo he ll adopt a 4 3 3 or 4 5 1 formation similar to Liverpool and Spurs. But that s my opinion
 
dev1l said:
True but my point is that for now we cannot judge Ole as a defensive manager. Next season we will have a better idea.
Imo he ll adopt a 4 3 3 or 4 5 1 formation similar to Liverpool and Spurs. But that s my opinion
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Definitely not.
 
Red71 said:
This 100%! We should have this posted every couple of pages to reaffirm the point too so as to reduce the number of fans posting the same defeatist crap.

I can understand fans being down and upset at the last few seasons. I feel the same way but....to come on to a United fan site and talk down about the team you supposedly support and add comments like “I wouldn’t go there, I wouldn’t recommend someone going there etc” boggles my mind. As Raoul says, how will we ever improve if players don’t take a chance on us? How did perennial losers spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal etc do it? Would our “fans” prefer we don’t bother? Prefer to see our team drop down the league....the negativity on here is at unreal levels atm.

I can’t ever imagine not wanting the best for United and that includes wanting the best players, even whilst acknowledging that all is not rosy presently. You get in two or three and the dynamic can change and then you’re off again. I would always recommend a player join United personally. We are still a massive club and it’ll come right eventually.

Bitter pricks like LVG won’t change that although I wish he’d shut his trap about us!
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Yeah I get the impression there are an awful lot of weirdos more interested in a young player’s ‘development’ than United.

Don’t sign for us you’ll ruin your career.

Get to feck.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
Yeah I get the impression there are an awful lot of weirdos more interested in a young player’s ‘development’ than United.

Don’t sign for us you’ll ruin your career.

Get to feck.
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Haha....Far more succinct than I could manage but spot on!
 
Cliche Guevara said:
Yeah I get the impression there are an awful lot of weirdos more interested in a young player’s ‘development’ than United.

Don’t sign for us you’ll ruin your career.

Get to feck.
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Maybe he cares about one of his country's most talented young player in quite some time and his development over a club that can afford literally anybody else? I can relate to that. For some, the talent of your country and international football is more important than some club fandom or loyalty, and there are clubs you'd prefer to see them in over your own favoring of a club, for example I am born in Paris and would love to see them win a Champion's League, but I'd like to see Mbappe move to La Liga or the Premier league by the end of next season regardless to continue his development.
 
Sayros said:
Maybe he cares about one of his country's most talented young player in quite some time and his development over a club that can afford literally anybody else? I can relate to that. For some, the talent of your country and international football is more important than some club fandom or loyalty, and there are clubs you'd prefer to see them in over your own favoring of a club, for example I am born in Paris and would love to see them win a Champion's League, but I'd like to see Mbappe move to La Liga or the Premier league by the end of next season regardless to continue his development.
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So you'd support PSG over us in a final?
 
Sayros said:
Maybe he cares about one of his country's most talented young player in quite some time and his development over a club that can afford literally anybody else? I can relate to that. For some, the talent of your country and international football is more important than some club fandom or loyalty, and there are clubs you'd prefer to see them in over your own favoring of a club, for example I am born in Paris and would love to see them win a Champion's League, but I'd like to see Mbappe move to La Liga or the Premier league by the end of next season regardless to continue his development.
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Yeah.

This kind of shit.
 
mu4c_20le said:
So you'd support PSG over us in a final?
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I'm not a United fan.

Cliche Guevara said:
Yeah.

This kind of shit.
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It's strange, you must be English. I've found many Englishmen who couldn't care less about international football and football club was all that mattered. I don't know if it's because England has been terrible these last 20 years, and maybe the last world cup will change that, but that's not a mentality shared by all the countries in the world. Many actually care more about their national team's success and its players' development than a club football.
 
Sayros said:
I'm not a United fan.



It's strange, you must be English. I've found many Englishmen who couldn't care less about international football and football club was all that mattered. I don't know if it's because England has been terrible these last 20 years, and maybe the last world cup will change that, but that's not a mentality shared by all the countries in the world. Many actually care more about their national team's success and its players' development than a club football.
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I’m Norwegian and I share his exact views.

Club > Country
 
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