Matteo Darmian | LVG confirms he's on his way here for a medical

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The thing I really don't like about this transfer is that we have not been tortured enough. It's too easy. Where are the BBC denials on twitter or the "only god knows" quotes? Where is the competition from Pep to try and steal him?

It's like when you go to a club and get someone within the first half hour before you even had a drink, it's awesome but also suspicious.
 
The Law of Denis said:
The thing I really don't like about this transfer is that we have not been tortured enough. It's too easy. Where are the BBC denials on twitter or the "only god knows" quotes? Where is the competition from Pep to try and steal him?

It's like when you go to a club and get someone within the first half hour before you even had a drink, it's awesome but also suspicious.
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That happened a while ago. Bayern were seriously interested in him but the 25 million Euro asking price put them off.
 
He's a fantastic player. Very good in defence and attack and there is no doubt he will succeed at United.
 
JPRouve said:
It doesn't matter how non injury prone the starter is, you can't have an injury prone backup that makes no sense, the chance that the backup is injured when you need him is too big.
Rafael can only be see as a starter, you need to play him when you can or just sell him.
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The entire notion of a back-up player in fact doesn't make any sense

You have to see it as competition. Both players need to be available for the coach so he has options and chose the best player at that moment. When you have a player who is always injurred, can't reach his best form, can't see alot of him on training, he simply isn't an option, so no real competition so no pressure on the other guy to step up his performance.

Problem is when you have too much competition you end up with players that deserve to play, want to play, need to play but you can't let them because you only have that many positions to field on the pitch. Problem with not enough competition is you have no options and when the only player you have for a position is out of form you are fecked.

I'd say with rafael due to his injurries and unavailability and lack of progress we are more in a suitation of not enough competition for the RB spot.
 
van der star said:
That happened a while ago. Bayern were seriously interested in him but the 25 million Euro asking price put them off.
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What convinced Torino to lower their asking price? Only two weeks ago Bayern were still supposed to be leading the race.
 
The Law of Denis said:
The thing I really don't like about this transfer is that we have not been tortured enough. It's too easy. Where are the BBC denials on twitter or the "only god knows" quotes? Where is the competition from Pep to try and steal him?

It's like when you go to a club and get someone within the first half hour before you even had a drink, it's awesome but also suspicious.
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Urbano Cairo, the Torino president said: "Three concrete offers have arrived for Darmian, but out of respect for those who made the offers I won't reveal them." 3 clubs widely believed to be Bayern, Napoli and United. Not a bad array of clubs to chose from IMO. Its just a deal done with a proper 'selling club', that was happy doing things the old 'hush-hush' way.

Plus, I don't buy the articles about Darmian being second choice for LVG behind Clyne . More likely Clyne was second choice, given they both were sold for almost the same price. I guess we'll never know.
 
unitedbhoy said:
If this signing goes through it would be one of the first times in recent history where we actually signed someone we so obviously need.

Schneiderlin would be another example of a player which makes too much sense to actually materialise.

Meaning: Woody reads redcafe
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If he read redcafe we'd already have signed Clyne, Coleman and Alves. This thread started on Saturday and it's been pretty obvious that hardly anyone had even heard of Darmian. Our biggest hope is that he doesn't read redcafe.
 
JPRouve said:
What convinced Torino to lower their asking price? Only two weeks ago Bayern were still supposed to be leading the race.
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Maybay he doesn't want to go to Bayern you know with all the leatherhosen ?

Or he thinks there is too much competition ?

Or they didn't want to pay close to what Torino wants because they are cheap cnuts ?

Or they weren't interested at all ?

Or they are going to hijack our transfer...

:( feck I did it again killed my muppet
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
The entire notion of a back-up player in fact doesn't make any sense

You have to see it as competition. Both players need to be available for the coach so he has options and chose the best player at that moment. When you have a player who is always injurred, can't reach his best form, can't see alot of him on training, he simply isn't an option, so no real competition so no pressure on the other guy to step up his performance.

Problem is when you have too much competition you end up with players that deserve to play, want to play, need to play but you can't let them because you only have that many positions to field on the pitch. Problem with not enough competition is you have no options and when the only player you have for a position is out of form you are fecked.

I'd say with rafael due to his injurries and unavailability and lack of progress we are more in a suitation of not enough competition for the RB spot.
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The notion of backup make sense, obviously the competition needs to be encouraged but at some point one player will always have an advantage and will be given the benefit of the doubt, at that point the other player is effectively a backup.
Now the players who ends up backup needs to be available every time you need him.
 
ravelston said:
If he read redcafe we'd already have signed Clyne, Coleman and Alves. This thread started on Saturday and it's been pretty obvious that hardly anyone had even heard of Darmian. Our biggest hope is that he doesn't read redcafe.
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Damians name was being brought up a few times in the Alves/Clyne threads. Most of those who brought him up were wondering why we were not goin gfor him as he seemed gettable.

I wish most clubs operated like the way the Torino president said his club do. Who ever comes back to pre season training, stays with the club for the season. Transfer period should be a month only event for me, just have it in July and in January.
 
JPRouve said:
The notion of backup make sense, obviously the competition needs to be encouraged but at some point one player will always have an advantage and will be given the benefit of the doubt, at that point the other player is effectively a backup.
Now the players who ends up backup needs to be available every time you need him.
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An injury prone backup doesn't make sense because he'll probably feck off in the treatment room when you need him most.
 
devilish said:
An injury prone backup doesn't make sense because he'll probably feck off in the treatment room when you need him most.
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Yeah, that's what I said in my previous post, it makes no sense.
 
JPRouve said:
What convinced Torino to lower their asking price? Only two weeks ago Bayern were still supposed to be leading the race.
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No clue about that. All I recall is that 30th June was Bayern's deadline to either stump up the asking price of 20m in cash or the forget about the deal. Napoli were priced out ages ago as they only offered 10m + Jorginho + Duvan Zapata.
 
The Law of Denis said:
The thing I really don't like about this transfer is that we have not been tortured enough. It's too easy. Where are the BBC denials on twitter or the "only god knows" quotes? Where is the competition from Pep to try and steal him?

It's like when you go to a club and get someone within the first half hour before you even had a drink, it's awesome but also suspicious.
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Too much typical Man Utd transfer windows had made some of the fans masochists. :lol::lol::lol:

I'm of the same thought too. :(
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
The entire notion of a back-up player in fact doesn't make any sense

You have to see it as competition. Both players need to be available for the coach so he has options and chose the best player at that moment. When you have a player who is always injurred, can't reach his best form, can't see alot of him on training, he simply isn't an option, so no real competition so no pressure on the other guy to step up his performance.

Problem is when you have too much competition you end up with players that deserve to play, want to play, need to play but you can't let them because you only have that many positions to field on the pitch. Problem with not enough competition is you have no options and when the only player you have for a position is out of form you are fecked.

I'd say with rafael due to his injurries and unavailability and lack of progress we are more in a suitation of not enough competition for the RB spot.
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We aren't much better with Valencia. He's not a RB, so I don't think he will threaten for the starting place as much! Rafael would be a better bet coz, as long as he is fit, he is competition. Smalling/ Jones can be the 'other backup' if required.
 
JPRouve said:
Yeah, that's what I said in my previous post, it makes no sense.
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Some people will say anything to keep the last of the overrated crocked twins at OT. They'll soon be suggesting that he should kill the Fred the red actor, steal his costume and wear it so that evil LVG wont find him
 
Dobba said:
"Sky Sources" i.e. The people at Sky Italia have been reading Twitter.
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I don't really get where the "done deal" rumors are coming from. Not even DiMarzio is saying its a done deal. I just checked twitter and all he says is that discussions are taking place and that things got more serious last night.
 
Sky Sports mentioning that we have agreed a fee now. They are still using Sky Italia as their source though.
 
I'm hoping this is really on. Can't reaaly lose at that fee imo.
 
I think its an "ok" signing. Obviously not the class we are looking for, but has the potential to grow into a solid player.

Stat wise, he gets beaten in every area by Coleman, Clyne and just obliterated by Dani Alves (just for comparison what world class is).

But defensive stats looked pretty solid compared to Coleman/Clyne and Alves. He seems to be a safe option.

guess we are going for bombarding the left side with runners and right side with more balance.
 
JPRouve said:
It doesn't matter how non injury prone the starter is, you can't have an injury prone backup that makes no sense, the chance that the backup is injured when you need him is too big.
Rafael can only be see as a starter, you need to play him when you can or just sell him.
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I'd prefer two players that both have the potential to be top class, even if one is very injury prone; rather than one and one that's only ever going to be solid. That's probably the most concise way of putting it. Competition in the position is better than an always fit but mediocre backup and a first choice.
 
JPRouve said:
The notion of backup make sense, obviously the competition needs to be encouraged but at some point one player will always have an advantage and will be given the benefit of the doubt, at that point the other player is effectively a backup.
Now the players who ends up backup needs to be available every time you need him.
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In reality that happens for alot of positions but the aim should really be that no player is guaranteed to start. Only the best ones at that moment should start and being the best is a continious ongoing endeavour. It is supposed to be cut throat competition, you need to prove that you are the best option to play everyday. Which means the concept of back-up doesn't exist. Only the concept of competition and if you are not good enough anymore to provide serious competition as a player than you need to be shifted on. In that way a team is suppose to improve itself until it has the best players in the world and even than it goes on to stay the best in the world.

There should be no set of starters and back-up there should only be potential starters and you aren't good enough anymore to be a potential starter than you aren't good enough to be part of the team because it defeats the concept of competition and decreases the pressure on players to give their best every day all day and defeats the idea of continiously improving the quality in the team.

Ofcourse at a certain moment you'll have one that is regarded better and one that isn't. On that moment the first will start and the other will be back-up for the bench. But the idea is that moment should be able change frequently and you can't have that if the gap in quality is too big.
 
Rezyuz said:
I think its an "ok" signing. Obviously not the class we are looking for, but has the potential to grow into a solid player.

Stat wise, he gets beaten in every area by Coleman, Clyne and just obliterated by Dani Alves (just for comparison what world class is).

But defensive stats looked pretty solid compared to Coleman/Clyne and Alves. He seems to be a safe option.

guess we are going for bombarding the left side with runners and right side with more balance.
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Stat wise Valencia obliterates Clyne..
 
Rezyuz said:
I think its an "ok" signing. Obviously not the class we are looking for, but has the potential to grow into a solid player.

Stat wise, he gets beaten in every area by Coleman, Clyne and just obliterated by Dani Alves (just for comparison what world class is).

But defensive stats looked pretty solid compared to Coleman/Clyne and Alves. He seems to be a safe option.

guess we are going for bombarding the left side with runners and right side with more balance.
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Stats-wise, Darmian plays for Torino. Considering how low-ball their position is within Serie A, would you expect comparative stats with players playing for better clubs?
 
Is this done or not? He's got a thread in the United forum?!
 
ravelston said:
If he read redcafe we'd already have signed Clyne, Coleman and Alves. This thread started on Saturday and it's been pretty obvious that hardly anyone had even heard of Darmian. Our biggest hope is that he doesn't read redcafe.
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Check through that Clyne thread again. Most of the decent posters reckoned that Clyne was overrated and this guy was a better option,
 
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