Mathys Tel | on his way to SPURS. He’s going to Spurs lads. SPURS

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Hoof the ball said:
Ruben: "How many goals do you have lately, Rasmus?"
Hojlund: ".....none........"
Ruben: "How about you, Joshua? Even one?"
Zirkzee: "none too...."
Ruben: "Obi, I know you're not ready, but the bar is so low. Literally just one goal. You think you can do it?"
Obi-Martin: "That's easy"
Ruben: "Obviously not" *glares at Hojlund and Zirkzee*
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Hoof the ball said:
Ruben: "How many goals do you have lately, Rasmus?"
Hojlund: ".....none........"
Ruben: "How about you, Joshua? Even one?"
Zirkzee: "none too...."
Ruben: "Obi, I know you're not ready, but the bar is so low. Literally just one goal. You think you can do it?"
Obi-Martin: "That's easy"
Ruben: "Obviously not" *glares at Hojlund and Zirkzee*
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false 9 used to be all the rage.

now we have false strikers and false forwards who refuse to score goals
 
Don't repeat the mistake.
Loan with £50M obligation to buy is the way to disaster.

We give Villa an option to buy for £40M. There's 50/50 chance that Villa will trigger buy option.
If Rashford doesn't do well or Villa is not qualified for European Football, they will not buy him.

Mathys Tel is worth a gamble if the price is very cheap like £20M, not at this amount. So, it cannot be obligation to buy at £50M.
BTW, I'm not convinced by him personally.

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TsuWave said:
You guys talk as if there’s a surplus of ready made reliable strikers we can afford. In January, at that
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Don't get not trying loan for Ferguson, West Ham seem to manage to sort it quickly, heck could have tried for Morata before Galatasaray did. I appreciate the Osimhen one was never gonna be recalled unless for a permanent deal
 
We shouldn’t go near any deal unless obligation is off the table.

sick of us getting mugged off by bayern, Dortmund, chelsea and real.
 
hobbers said:
We shouldn’t go near any deal unless obligation is off the table.

sick of us getting mugged off by bayern, Dortmund, chelsea and real.
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Absolutely. This kid has proven feck all to demand a big fee.
 
We need him and also Nkuku both on loan and option to buy for both so we can access who is worth spending on. He can play on the LAM and Nkuku through the middle. We need attacking players who know how to score or has played in attacking positions.
 
Hoof the ball said:
Ruben: "How many goals do you have lately, Rasmus?"
Hojlund: ".....none........"
Ruben: "How about you, Joshua? Even one?"
Zirkzee: "none too...."
Ruben: "Obi, I know you're not ready, but the bar is so low. Literally just one goal. You think you can do it?"
Obi-Martin: "That's easy"
Ruben: "Obviously not" *glares at Hojlund and Zirkzee*
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Come it be the case that Amorim doesn't want to ruin obi's career by starting him too early? After all most of the young strikers who started early ended up early (Owen, Rooney, fat Ronaldo etc)
 
I like probably 90% of supporters would say we desperately need a goalscorer/ striker. And so desperate is the case as the club is bloody paying for Marcus Rashford to play for Villa that we become desperate ourselves for any crumb of hope that we will find a forward Messiah.

I was that way with this young player who can't get in the Bayern team until I saw his record which like Hojlund and Zirkzee before him is of not scoring goals. In 76 appearances for Bayern he has scored 14 goals. Last season it was seven in 24.

My fear (understating this) is going for him represents a failure to learn from past calamities. Don't get me wrong I'm desperate to see a body through the door. But he has to be the right player. And for me Tel is another to place alongside Zirkzee and Hojlund as young with potential only. That doesn't help us now. Perhaps there is less of a risk from cost but that isn't the point.

A loan of Nkunku, for instance, makes more sense.
 
Glad we're not bending over and letting Bayern shaft us. We don't need to rush into making another desperate signing that we'll end up regretting.
 
Really don't think this guy is the answer. We need a 25-28! Year old striker with presence and a half decent touch. People like Samu at Porto, Gyokeres etc but the problem is there is no way we could get them at this point or maybe even at all.
 
Fahad Jawaid said:
We need him and also Nkuku both on loan and option to buy for both so we can access who is worth spending on. He can play on the LAM and Nkuku through the middle. We need attacking players who know how to score or has played in attacking positions.
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I'd love to think we can get both but nothing from our past dealings in the transfer market makes me believe we are capable of doing one of those deals today let alone two. And as said before I would be preferring Nkunku because unlike any of our and other linked striker options he has a record of actually putting the ball in the back of the net.
 
sixdwarf said:
I like probably 90% of supporters would say we desperately need a goalscorer/ striker. And so desperate is the case as the club is bloody paying for Marcus Rashford to play for Villa that we become desperate ourselves for any crumb of hope that we will find a forward Messiah.

I was that way with this young player who can't get in the Bayern team until I saw his record which like Hojlund and Zirkzee before him is of not scoring goals. In 76 appearances for Bayern he has scored 14 goals. Last season it was seven in 24.

My fear (understating this) is going for him represents a failure to learn from past calamities. Don't get me wrong I'm desperate to see a body through the door. But he has to be the right player. And for me Tel is another to place alongside Zirkzee and Hojlund as young with potential only. That doesn't help us now. Perhaps there is less of a risk from cost but that isn't the point.

A loan of Nkunku, for instance, makes more sense.
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Agree wholeheartedly with this take.

I personally scoffed when we got Weghorst in but someone of that ilk (albeit slightly more prolific!) on a short-term loan deal with an option to buy has to be the route to go down.

We do not want to be committing to a player that will swallow up c.half of our summer budget in advance and is by all accounts, not an out and out goalscorer.

Get someone in who will occupy the centre backs and likes to poach in the 6 yard area (ala Chris Wood). I appreciate these players don't grow on trees, particularly not in the modern era.

I think the crux of it though is the fact we've let both Antony and Rashford go and the perception seems to be that we need cover in two, arguably three positions, hence we're sniffing around Tel / Nkunku who can play wide and through the middle.

I think the priority in Amorims system is an out and out centre forward. The wing backs (Dalot, Mazraoui, Dorgu, dare I say Shaw) largely cover the wide areas so there's a host of players (Garnacho, Amad, Mainoo, Zirkzee, Bruno and again dare I say Mount when he's fit) that can fill the no 10 positions.
 
We are reportedly very tight with regards to PSR compliance and, from the perspective of the financial regulations, a loan with an obligation to buy is treated the same way as a permanent transfer. That being the case, United are probably only able to do either straight loans or loans with an option to buy for further incomings in this window. This appears to rule out any deal for Tel.
 
Bailey, Nkunku, Tel... if these are the kind of players United are looking at these days...

I guess Tel is the best of that bunch. Dynamic, energetic, physical, and with no injury history. But as a striker, he is no different that Hojlund or Zirkzee. Hardly what this team needs. More importantly, Bayern are looking for a sale, now or in the summer. And United should be looking at no other striker than Gyokeres. Nothing should get in the way of that.

I'd take him on loan over the other names mentioned, but I don't believe he will change anything at all. If Bayern continue to play hardball, then they can keep him.
 
He isn't what we need at all. Another young striker who can't score? Nah feck off. We need a complete striker in his prime years or close to. Who knows his strengths and has minimised his weaknesses.

This would just be another miserable signing that everyone will hate in a year or so.
 
1988 said:
He isn't what we need at all. Another young striker who can't score? Nah feck off. We need a complete striker in his prime years or close to. Who knows his strengths and has minimised his weaknesses.

This would just be another miserable signing that everyone will hate in a year or so.
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He was getting a goal every 67 mins during a spell when playing off the bench last season. He's blunt now but I wonder if this is down to the manager not really playing or trusting him in the same way vs Tuchel.
 
croadyman said:
Don't get not trying loan for Ferguson, West Ham seem to manage to sort it quickly, heck could have tried for Morata before Galatasaray did. I appreciate the Osimhen one was never gonna be recalled unless for a permanent deal
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We wouldn't have loaned Ferguson to you, the cauldron of OT is not the place for him to refind his touch and confidence, he needs a little less pressure and working under a manager that he knows well and trusts and is the same guy that gave him his debut is bit of a no brainer.
 
Hawks2008 said:
That doesn't mean that another striker that can't find the net is the answer either.
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So, what are you saying? If there aren’t ready-made reliable strikers that United can afford in January, around - what we’re left with will be “project strikers” that the club believes has attributes that we need/are better than what we have/can be sculpted into what we need to elevate the team. “Finding the net” isn’t like a permanent static thing either
 
Hawks2008 said:
That doesn't mean that another striker that can't find the net is the answer either.
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I dont think Tel would be as bad as you claim.

But I also know little of him so maybe I'm just having a punt.
 
I have had the opinion for years that we should have tried to turn Rashford into a 9. He is a better goalscorer than both Rasmus and Zirkzee and we could have used the funds to get other players in to improve our overall game.
Sorry for talking about him again and it is anyway obsolete but obviously it is very difficult to find good strikers and we are so poor when it comes to passing, movement and creativity that I would prioritize a midfielder, a 10/creative player and a wingback. With Martinez out also a ball playing and mobile CB as Maguire and de Ligt together are not the way forward for me.

Not sure that Tel would improve us right now with all the other issues.
 
No way should we be taking this with an obligation to buy - option yes but obligation no.

Probably end up at Arsenal now I reckon….
 
If Bayern are insisting on an obligation to buy then we’re right to say no.

Anything that’s an obligation should be far lower than the €60m that Spurs offered because of the gamble involved.
 
VP89 said:
He was getting a goal every 67 mins during a spell when playing off the bench last season. He's blunt now but I wonder if this is down to the manager not really playing or trusting him in the same way vs Tuchel.
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I am sure it is. When Tel was sure that he would regularly get time on the pitch under Nagelsmann and Tuchel he scored a goal about every 90 minutes aged 17/18. That stopped under Kompany and to ne it's quite clear that Tel doesn't really understand why and that makes him try stupid shots as he is desperate to get something going for him.

Just let him play, he will be fine.
 
stefan92 said:
I am sure it is. When Tel was sure that he would regularly get time on the pitch under Nagelsmann and Tuchel he scored a goal about every 90 minutes aged 17/18. That stopped under Kompany and to ne it's quite clear that Tel doesn't really understand why and that makes him try stupid shots as he is desperate to get something going for him.

Just let him play, he will be fine.
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Could be playing for Arsenal by the weekend as all noises say we aren't interested in a loan with obligation. They are in a position to offer him permanent deal if they wished to do that
 
Denis' cuff said:
No dough.

Spent it all on Mount. Most ridiculous thing I can ever remember… and I go back a loooong way

I can only think the best way out of this is to give one of the young strikers, chomping at the bit, to have a go. We don’t have
to flog him to death, just give him a go. Clearly not spending in this window. It just might help a bit and show us where he is in his development

Manchester United = no money. Let that sink in. Wealthiest club in the world, fecking unbelievable. Glazers and everyone else who aided them.
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The club has nearly maxed out its revolving credit facility (a credit card basically) to keep operating day to day.
 
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