Matheus Cunha £62.5m release clause

He doesn't want to come here whereas Cunha does, jeez to not want him is just ridiculous but there you go
Let's see how people feel when he spends most of his time walking around when we don't have the ball, given what Amorim seems to want from his players, I'm really surprised we're after this lad. He's anything but a workhorse and can see people questioning his attitude very quickly (especially if we start the season poorly).

For what its worth, on the ball I think he's great but I'm not sure he's £62 million great.
 
Not really. Those stats match up closely to the eye test.
I don’t know how it works but Isn’t it dependent on who gets the chance?
A chance for Garnacho or Höjlund must (should) count as a lot less xG points compared to a chance for Salah or Mbuemo
 
I don’t know how it works but Isn’t it dependent on who gets the chance?
A chance for Garnacho or Höjlund must (should) count as a lot less xG points compared to a chance for Salah or Mbuemo
No, it takes no account for who is taking the shot. That’s the purpose of the stat.
 
Let's see how people feel when he spends most of his time walking around when we don't have the ball, given what Amorim seems to want from his players, I'm really surprised we're after this lad. He's anything but a workhorse and can see people questioning his attitude very quickly (especially if we start the season poorly).

For what its worth, on the ball I think he's great but I'm not sure he's £62 million great.

The reality is that, unless we win the Europa League, there's a beggars can't be choosers element. We're in the shits, everyone knows we are and we can't score goals. We're desperate and perhaps lucky that some of the most sought after talents even want to come to United at this moment in time given our past two seasons.
 
Let's see how people feel when he spends most of his time walking around when we don't have the ball, given what Amorim seems to want from his players, I'm really surprised we're after this lad. He's anything but a workhorse and can see people questioning his attitude very quickly (especially if we start the season poorly).

For what its worth, on the ball I think he's great but I'm not sure he's £62 million great.
I think you'd be hard pushed with recent prices in the prem to say he's not worth £62m. He's scored more than Palmer this season, in a lot less minutes.
 
Hoping we get this over the line soon. Would be an absolutely brilliant signing and it would be a massive relief that he is already very well adjusted to the league. After all the disappointed we have had in that regard, can't wait for someone to come and hit the ground running, while instantly improving our attacking game.

Can't wait for a combination of amad and Cunha as our 10s with Bruno feeding quality assists through the midfield. All we would then need is a quality no. 9 to put away those chances (not Delap please)
Well it won't be Osimhen/Gyokeres so which order quality no 9 would you like to see us bring in?
 
My worry is the wingbacks. You can see the way we spread the ball wide how important it is for them to carry up the flanks. And all our options are shit at it, bad Amad.
Yep! I agree with this.
For the love of god take Mount off this list, he's a dreadful number 10 (and woeful at 6 and 8 for that matter) and should be nowhere near our starting line up next season. I'm hoping and praying we can get him out on loan if not a permanent deal.
5th choice to be fair, no one else will take him.
 
Can't see Wolves or United confirming the deal until the season ends. Would be a bit shitty for the Wolves fans.
 
Why would it be shitty?

Its a release clause, nothing Wolves can do if we trigger it.

That's not what I was referring too.

Just to show some respect to the fans, why not just wait until the season is over to announce it (which is what my post was about) he can't put a shirt on and play the last few games for United so no harm in leaving it until the season ends.
 
That's not what I was referring too.

Just to show some respect to the fans, why not just wait until the season is over to announce it (which is what my post was about) he can't put a shirt on and play the last few games for United so no harm in leaving it until the season ends.

United want deals done, they need to know he is 100% coming so they can also have a look at other transfers.

I get your point, both clubs can wait till June to announce this.
 
The reality is that, unless we win the Europa League, there's a beggars can't be choosers element. We're in the shits, everyone knows we are and we can't score goals. We're desperate and perhaps lucky that some of the most sought after talents even want to come to United at this moment in time given our past two seasons.
Yeah very fortunate he's still looking in our direction
 
United want deals done, they need to know he is 100% coming so they can also have a look at other transfers.

I get your point, both clubs can wait till June to announce this.

Exactly, I'm fine with everyone signing on the dotted line and then not hearing anything more until the season ends.
 
Exactly, I'm fine with everyone signing on the dotted line and then not hearing anything more until the season ends.
Would feel the same about a striker too if we you know actually went down the experienced route
 
My worry is the wingbacks. You can see the way we spread the ball wide how important it is for them to carry up the flanks. And all our options are shit at it, bad Amad.
It’s the slowness that gets to me. From the back and forth amongst the backline to the wingbacks and back again. The opposition have their positions set by the time we try to go forward
 
It’s the slowness that gets to me. From the back and forth amongst the backline to the wingbacks and back again. The opposition have their positions set by the time we try to go forward
Yeah that plus no wingback actually bothers to take the player on.

It was infuriating seeing Dorgu for example refuse to use his apparent explosiveness to beat a man with the ball, and the same often goes on the right.

We really need to invest in quality there. It's not just the physicality element. Ait Nouri or Fernandes is a good start.
 
I'm sure there was something a while back about Utd fully expecting him to go elsewhere in summer
I haven't seen anything to that effect, other than a lot of RedCafe posters saying it. Then again I don't follow Arsenal news very much (they seem to be the club most frequently associated with a move for him besides ourselves?). All I found was a throw-away comment in an Athletic article by Whitwell in February:

"However, it is considered unlikely that Gyokeres follows Amorim to Old Trafford. The Swedish international wants to join a Champions League team and while that is possible for United through winning the Europa League, other more appealing propositions are expected to enter the bidding. Conversely, United would be reluctant to commit that type of money to a player who will turn 27 in June. The club’s strategy is to invest in younger signings."

There was also a comment from Ornstein that Arsenal are developing a strong interest in Gyökeres. I'd say they are in a much better position than us at the moment, but no-one knows the mind of Gyökeres but Gyökeres himself. I just hope we try for him with all we have, 'cause he'd be the first striker signing in forever that would be on the up, in his prime, and scoring goals galore.

Anyway, since this thread is about Cunha, all the noises sound like this is as good as done. Anything can happen of course, but doesn't seem like there are any particularly serious stumbling blocks.
 
I can't, but there are plenty of examples of attackers that improved around 25-26 and later on; Salah, Mané, Robben, Ribéry, Dembélé, Lewandowski, Cantona, Drogba, Raphinha, Suárez are some examples, and I would add Modric and Bruno in that list too if we're including attacking midfielders, especially when you look at his performances this season under Amorim. Cunha is improving and playing better now than before, and there is nothing to suggest that he is about to regress, so not sure why that is a worry you have. He is still 25, same age Liverpool bought Salah from Roma. If we're going to worry about signing players in their peak/about to hit their peak, I don't think we will ever win anything.

Overperformed, or simply scored more goals than his xG statistic would say? Because if you're "overperforming" for 70 games across two seasons, it's not overperforming. It's his level. He might score fewer goals for us, he might score more. You seem to be forgetting that he is playing for a weak Wolverhampton who are poor offensively and pretty much carrying the team by himself.

I don't agree with your worry, but I can understand it. I just don't think it's worth worrying over, when he is a Premier League proven attacker that scores goals and has good numbers. Add the fact that he has an acceptable release clause, plays in a position we need to upgrade, and he is probably the best option we could get for that price. I would also choose Wirtz over him, but he isn't coming to us, and he would likely cost north of £100m.
Well I hope you are right!
 
Overperformed, or simply scored more goals than his xG statistic would say? Because if you're "overperforming" for 70 games across two seasons, it's not overperforming. It's his level. He might score fewer goals for us, he might score more. You seem to be forgetting that he is playing for a weak Wolverhampton who are poor offensively and pretty much carrying the team by himself.

I don't know what this if clause is doing there, because you're not describing Cunha. Last year he also outperformed his xg, but by a normal amount. Absolutely nothing like this year. If this year is his level, then he's the world's best finisher by an extremely large margin. The gap in quality between Cunha and players like Messi and Son is bigger than the gap between those and Darwin.

Is that something you actually believe is true?
 
I don't know what this if clause is doing there, because you're not describing Cunha. Last year he also outperformed his xg, but by a normal amount. Absolutely nothing like this year. If this year is his level, then he's the world's best finisher by an extremely large margin. The gap in quality between Cunha and players like Messi and Son is bigger than the gap between those and Darwin.

Is that something you actually believe is true?

you mean past it players with 10 goals between them?
 
I haven't seen anything to that effect, other than a lot of RedCafe posters saying it. Then again I don't follow Arsenal news very much (they seem to be the club most frequently associated with a move for him besides ourselves?). All I found was a throw-away comment in an Athletic article by Whitwell in February:

"However, it is considered unlikely that Gyokeres follows Amorim to Old Trafford. The Swedish international wants to join a Champions League team and while that is possible for United through winning the Europa League, other more appealing propositions are expected to enter the bidding. Conversely, United would be reluctant to commit that type of money to a player who will turn 27 in June. The club’s strategy is to invest in younger signings."

There was also a comment from Ornstein that Arsenal are developing a strong interest in Gyökeres. I'd say they are in a much better position than us at the moment, but no-one knows the mind of Gyökeres but Gyökeres himself. I just hope we try for him with all we have, 'cause he'd be the first striker signing in forever that would be on the up, in his prime, and scoring goals galore.

Anyway, since this thread is about Cunha, all the noises sound like this is as good as done. Anything can happen of course, but doesn't seem like there are any particularly serious stumbling blocks.
Ah yes think that was the thing I saw, then like you say Ornstein mentioned strong interest from Arsenal to further compound my doubts about him coming here
 
The gap in quality between Cunha and players like Messi and Son is bigger than the gap between those and Darwin.
So let’s see if I understand this.

Son is the same as Messi?

Between Cunha and Messi is a big gap in quality? But who isn’t, except Son according to this sentence.

Darwin is better than Cunha because the gap in quality between him and players like Messi and Son (how can you say Messi and Son, but alright) is less big than Cunha and Messi and Son?

Strange all around.
 
So let’s see if I understand this.

Son is the same as Messi?

Between Cunha and Messi is a big gap in quality? But who isn’t, except Son according to this sentence.

Darwin is better than Cunha because the gap in quality between him and players like Messi and Son (how can you say Messi and Son, but alright) is less big than Cunha and Messi and Son?

Strange all around.

Most people perform around their xg. Some do better, the best are players like Son and Messi. Some are bad, like Darwin.

If Cunha is as good a finisher as he's been this year, then he's the best the world has ever seen. Then there's an enormous gap down to Son and Messi. Then there's a gap to normal people, and then a gap to Darwin, but those gaps are tiny compared to Cunha and everyone else.
 
I can't, but there are plenty of examples of attackers that improved around 25-26 and later on; Salah, Mané, Robben, Ribéry, Dembélé, Lewandowski, Cantona, Drogba, Raphinha, Suárez are some examples, and I would add Modric and Bruno in that list too if we're including attacking midfielders, especially when you look at his performances this season under Amorim. Cunha is improving and playing better now than before, and there is nothing to suggest that he is about to regress, so not sure why that is a worry you have. He is still 25, same age Liverpool bought Salah from Roma. If we're going to worry about signing players in their peak/about to hit their peak, I don't think we will ever win anything.

Overperformed, or simply scored more goals than his xG statistic would say? Because if you're "overperforming" for 70 games across two seasons, it's not overperforming. It's his level. He might score fewer goals for us, he might score more. You seem to be forgetting that he is playing for a weak Wolverhampton who are poor offensively and pretty much carrying the team by himself.

I don't agree with your worry, but I can understand it. I just don't think it's worth worrying over, when he is a Premier League proven attacker that scores goals and has good numbers. Add the fact that he has an acceptable release clause, plays in a position we need to upgrade, and he is probably the best option we could get for that price. I would also choose Wirtz over him, but he isn't coming to us, and he would likely cost north of £100m.
That's a good one! I think Wolves are better offensively this year than we are. Is Cunha the 12 goal difference between the two sides?

Have to say I'm not convinced by him, but there don't seem to be many other realistic options for us.
 
Well it won't be Osimhen/Gyokeres so which order quality no 9 would you like to see us bring in?
Still hoping for Gyokeres, especially so if we can win the Europa. If not, would rather zirkzee lead the line rather than delap.
 
My worry is the wingbacks. You can see the way we spread the ball wide how important it is for them to carry up the flanks. And all our options are shit at it, bad Amad.
Yeah wingbacks are essentially old school 442 type wingers in this system. Ideally you have touchline take-on demons that are constantly rampaging the wings and creating those easy pockets for the inside 10's to flourish. But we have to play our current best attacker there because he's the only one that can do the job.

I'm still baffled as to why we haven't tried Garnacho there once. Obviously now it won't happen, but even earlier on when Amorim was clearly tinkering with lineups and evaluating, not once did we get to see him playing that wide wingback role where he's not tasked with having to produce as much but can use his carrying/workrate and running more.
 
Yeah wingbacks are essentially old school 442 type wingers in this system. Ideally you have touchline take-on demons that are constantly rampaging the wings and creating those easy pockets for the inside 10's to flourish. But we have to play our current best attacker there because he's the only one that can do the job.

I'm still baffled as to why we haven't tried Garnacho there once. Obviously now it won't happen, but even earlier on when Amorim was clearly tinkering with lineups and evaluating, not once did we get to see him playing that wide wingback role where he's not tasked with having to produce as much but can use his carrying/workrate and running more.

He’s played Amd there just 4 times, and reverted quickly back to playing full backs there. This happened even after Amad’s hattrick. As often as possible he played Amad at 10 and Maz at WB.

He never really tried Antony there either.

I’m not as convinced as everyone else that he isn’t delighted with Dalot and Dorgu.