Yeah because United have really moved on to exciting attacking football under Ole. We've scored more than one goal in a match only once in our last 15+ games. We're as boring as we were under LvG and Mourinho right now.
Yeah, it’s a pity because OGS really would have been as close to a long term appointment as we could get (loves the club) if he became a success.Haha thank goodness for that!
I didn't like speaking down on Ole in fairness. But it's now super obvious we bungled another one!
He's Tier 2, in my opinion.
Tier 1: Klopp, Guardiola, Zidane
Tier 2: Simeone, Conte, Allegri, Sarri, Poch
Tier 3: Ancelotti, Tuchel, Kovac, Emery, Mourinho
Tier 4: Naglesmann, Ten Haag, Spaletti, Jardim etc.
We won't get anyone better than Allegri, that's certain. Our current "manager" is Tier 9, considering that his only relevant managerial experience is Cardiff relegation and getting sacked in Championship.
Yeah, agreed. I don't enjoy criticising Ole but we really need to separate Solskjaer the player (club legend, nothing will change that) and Solskjaer the manager (simply not good enough for top level football). Some of the fans seem to have a problem with that.I wouldn't mind to appoint a inexperienced manager, but if it was someone who was showing potential. Someone like Diego Martínez, Marco Rose, Vitor Pereira, etc, which would mean they could progress here.
Ole is a club's legend, but his managerial career have shown little evidence that he can boost his level from the norwegian league.
We're lacking goals up front everybody could see that in the summer. I think Ole intends to be an attack minded manager but he can't coach and get it across to the players so he becomes pragmatic in games.I didn't say we are playing attacking football. But the last thing we want is another defensive manager.
We can't score goals because we have very poor forwards. We are relying on Perreira, Lingard, Rashford, Mata to create and score.. I don't think many managers can find ways to attack with them upfront.
We're lacking goals up front everybody could see that in the summer. I think Ole intends to be an attack minded manager but he can't coach and get it across to the players so he becomes pragmatic in games.
I mean Ole doesn't have us playing swash-buckling football, so hardly a flip-flop now.
I mean it's not implemented well but OGS clearly has an idea how we should play. And it's pretty much the exact opposite of how Allegri would likely set us up. We bought and sold players with that idea in mind. If we don't build on that or at least somewhat similar idea with Ole or a different manager than we're just wasting our time.We don't have a style of play.
It's more that if you're getting Allegri, you're committing a number of years to him where as Ole can be gone after the season. There is no need to rush for Allegri if that's the case. I'm not sure how anyone can want another boring manager. Ole is already boring me, so I want the next manager to deliver on that front. Allegri won't. He won't be competing against Klopp or Pep anyways, so I don't want a boring manager.Yeah because United have really moved on to exciting attacking football under Ole. We've scored more than one goal in a match only once in our last 15+ games. We're as boring as we were under LvG and Mourinho right now.
I agree. I'm not on board with appointing Allegri just pointing out that we're not seeing attacking football under Ole like some want to believe so I don't think it's that much of a drastic change in style if we did appoint another pragmatic manager.It's more that if you're getting Allegri, you're committing a number of years to him where as Ole can be gone after the season. There is no need to rush for Allegri if that's the case. I'm not sure how anyone can want another boring manager. Ole is already boring me, so I want the next manager to deliver on that front. Allegri won't. He won't be competing against Klopp or Pep anyways, so I don't want a boring manager.
I don't see how any of this is "devil's advocate" narrative. These are facts.Getting in Allegri would be a stop-gap again. Now, I do not want Ole here as our manager because he's completely out of his depth but his replacement should be a young, exciting, innovative manager who is eager to take on a young squad, continue youth development but ultimately, take us back to the good times as soon as possible with attacking football.
Allegri wouldn't really tick any of those boxes. Now, playing Devil's Advocate.....
Looking at the state of our squad's midfield and attacking options, it does look like any attacking manager would find it difficult to get results with this crop of players. Our GK/Defence is much, much stronger than our midfield and attacking options. So it does make some sense to hand the reigns to a defensive mastermind and ask him to go down the '1-0, 2-0' route and get us back on track by playing to our strengths.
Allegri got the best of Pogba, so there's that also, it might persuade Pogba to stick around for one more season to see if things improve.
Managers are judged on an individual basis not proven/unproven basis. We've also had unproven managers (Moyes and Ole) whom individually and combined achieved less than the proven 'failures'We have had better, more proven managers and they didn't work out - I can't see any different here
Spot on.We shouldn't be thinking about another manager until Ole is finished his rebuilding work.
Back him for next 2 windows, then see how it goes.
5 TOP players needed, no matter who the manager is. Starting in January.
Patience Please.
Noamaher gets to buy 5 top players while being incapable of managing what they have. Ole has three and needs to show his quality before we allow him to spend on players the next manager may not want.We shouldn't be thinking about another manager until Ole is finished his rebuilding work.
Back him for next 2 windows, then see how it goes.
5 TOP players needed, no matter who the manager is. Starting in January.
Patience Please.
Negelsmann looks very talented and it’s a very good suggestion. However he just took over RB Leipzig not sure when he would look to move clubs again. Tuchel is good however you are spot on about his difficult personality, and I have doubts about his ability to be flexible and compromise on his style. This Rose guy is that good? I know about him but never thought he is that highly rated. What about the guy at Ajax?The manager that has the potential to rival Guardiola or Klopp is Nagelsmann and possibly Marco Rose. Both managers have the tactical acumen that could see them reach the top with the younger Nagelsmann in particular being talked about in glowing terms. Tuchel is another coach that could tactically bang with the best but his divisive nature could be a issue.
He is. As you can see Adnan rates him very highly, and they guy knows what he is talking about.What about that Nagelsmann guy? Isn’t he supposed to be good?
So we carry on with what we have until we appoint a new manager. Nonsense.Noamaher gets to buy 5 top players while being incapable of managing what they have. Ole has three and needs to show his quality before we allow him to spend on players the next manager may not want.
Patience will accompany potential.
Wrong. If Ole proves he's good enough he'll get to buy. If he proves to be inept the new manager will do that. It's why we didn't give Moyes 300 million to spend. Did you want that to happen so that he could fulfill the rebuild and the vision?So we carry on with what we have until we appoint a new manager. Nonsense.
Yeah, it’s a pity because OGS really would have been as close to a long term appointment as we could get (loves the club) if he became a success.
There’s still a bit of hope in me that he’s able to turn it around, but in fairness, he’s done or achieved very little in his managerial career to suggest he can, or give us something to believe in. Strip away his player legendary status with us and I think even a lot of the Caftards who still back him 100% wouldn’t be as sure or patient as they are.
Rose is actually spoken of very highly within Germany and Austria. His style of coaching is very similar to the style Klopp has enjoyed great success with at Dortmund and Liverpool. Rose alongside his #2 Rene Maric have in tandem formed a great partnership which has seen them implement a fast paced, dynamic, high octane style that Klopp is revered for. The duo are now at Gladbach in Germany so it'll be interesting to see how they do come the end of the season.Negelsmann looks very talented and it’s a very good suggestion. However he just took over RB Leipzig not sure when he would look to move clubs again. Tuchel is good however you are spot on about his difficult personality, and I have doubts about his ability to be flexible and compromise on his style. This Rose guy is that good? I know about him but never thought he is that highly rated. What about the guy at Ajax?
