Well, it's actually a better team than the one LVG had. He isn't a mentor for France, that's the role played by players like Matuidi and Mandanda but he is a good guy that creates a good atmosphere.
Massimiliano Allegri targets Manchester United job
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Well, it's actually a better team than the one LVG had. He isn't a mentor for France, that's the role played by players like Matuidi and Mandanda but he is a good guy that creates a good atmosphere.
I still can't get over the language barrier. Can anyone name me one example where it has worked?
I think Allegri is capable of pushing for top 4 with a proper striker in January. At the very least he would drag us to top 6. I don't think Ole will finish in the top 6 though.
And these things matter. Manchester United won't attract big potential names like Sancho or Werner etc. if we finish 7th and have Ole leading us.
It's a different story if we finish 4th and have Allegri.
You couldn't be any worse than Lingard.
I think if we somehow manage to get top 4 this season, doesn't matter who the manager is, we will attract players.
With Ole, it seems unlikely we finish top half.
Who the next man is in charge then will have to get us top 4.
Lukaku is sold. Pogba will leave next summer. Sanchez has declined terribly. So it's not like we are blessed with great options and we have no guarantee that the replacements will be as good as the ones we have sold/going to be sold.
( yes, I rate Lukaku as a good goal scorer)
And we signed Maguire and Wan Bissaka, we tried to sign Dybala and we extended De Gea. We also increased our wage bill while Milan plan was to drastically reduce it. The contexts are totally different.
And bear in mind that it is Lukaku that pushed for a move while Thiago Silva and Ibrahimovic were pushed out for financial reasons.
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If he takes Mandzukic, Can and Rugani at United, all knowing his methods already, you are sorted for the top 4 battle.
Bobby Robson could barely speak Portuguese and Spanish and won titles with Porto and Barcelona.
Laszlo Boloni only spoke french...
John Toshack barely speak portuguese either
Tomislav Ivic won league titles in Holland, Portugal, France, Belgium speaking minimally the local languages.
A good manager finds the way to get his message across.
SAF only spoke Glaswegian.
Pochettino pretended not to be able to speak English for his first year or two in England
It's also easier for better managers than worse managers.
Unrelated but he's nicknamed the "Bride abandoner" after leaving his fiance at the alter.
We can come on here and cry about managers just like we did with Moyes then LVG then Jose but we can have another 10 managers but they will all have one thing in common and for me that is shocking leadership from our owners and our CEO . The club is f...ed top to bottom and until we sort that out we could have Pep and he couldn't have us challenge
Pretty sure Conte didn't speak any English and then after some intense tuition did his first presser for Chelsea in decent, albeit basic, English. I don't see the language barrier as a huge issue assuming he picks it up at the same level other coaches have done, he'd be pretty proficient in a year or so if he lived here unless he did a Bale and couldn't be bothered.
From a BBC article on him:
Full article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43274988
His confidence is his most startling quality.
He was called weak by many critics who watched as players like Zlatan Ibrahimovic seemed to impose their authority over his dressing room, something they would never do under the tutelage of a classic Italian authoritarian. Allegri sees it differently.
He observes, he adapts, and he has no problems in looking at things from a different point of view.
"I change my mind because I do not consider it a weakness, but a way of growing up," explains Allegri.
His former partners might disagree.
In 1992, Corriere della Sera ran a piece titled, 'The escape of a footballer from the altar in the final hour'. The article described how the groom, a footballer, chose to cancel his wedding just before it was due to take place. The player who "loved surprises" and "could turn a game upside down in the last minute" had seemingly changed his mind.
That player was Allegri and he has never quite shaken off the reputation for being the "bride abandoner".
It was he who helped little Sassuolo reach Serie B for the first time in 2008, it was he who led Cagliari to a ninth-place finish in Serie A a year later, something they had not managed in close to 15 years - something he did despite losing his first five games - and it was Allegri who won AC Milan the title at the first time of asking in 2011, their first Scudetto since 2004.
Yet nothing he has achieved in the past comes close to what he has managed at Juventus.
Greeted on his arrival at the club by boos, tomatoes and whistles, Allegri was, in the eyes of the fans, no fit replacement for their former captain, legend and tactical maestro Antonio Conte when he left to manage the Italy national team in 2014.
Conte had revived the Old Lady with his charisma, hard work and understanding of the Juve way and taken them to three successive titles in his three seasons in charge - their first since they were demoted to Serie B in the wake of the Calciopoli match-fixing scandal.
How could Allegri, sacked by Milan, ever hope to match what his predecessor had achieved?
Allegri has not just matched it. He has exceeded it, adding three more domestic titles and taking his side to two Champions League finals.
There are manufactured coaches and natural coaches. I am one of the natural ones. I do not have to sit there and watch videos for hours. In a quarter of an hour, I understand
Conte had dismissed Juve's hopes of making an impact in Europe, remarking: "You cannot go to eat at a 100 euro restaurant with just 10 euros in your pocket, can you?" But Allegri led that 10 euro squad to the Champions League final in 2015, impressing as he and his squad thrashed the likes of Real Madrid along the way, a club with more than a few million euros in their pocket.
Under Allegri, Juventus grew in strength - physically, mentally and, most importantly, tactically.
Evolution is the watchword for Allegri - his Juve side is constantly being remoulded, repackaged and rebuilt to devastating effect.
The mark of a great coach is often held to be obsessive attention to detail - the opponent studied for days, the players well drilled on the tactical plan and the plays almost memorised as the players move as one, like actors on a stage.
Allegri cares little for that. He is not interested in a style of play, in the philosophised construction of beautiful football, but rather in developing intelligent footballers who think for themselves.
Tactical schemes are indeed taught, and the aim of the game is to have a side that can morph into various different shapes in order to achieve the best possible outcome. But Juventus are rarely beautiful. They are a team who work in the moment, knowing how to hinder the opponent from playing as well as exploiting their own opportunities to score.
When asked why he continued his journey with the Old Lady after losing another Champions League final in 2017, Allegri wrote: "I do this because I love teaching. It is truly the joy of my life. I like making players better and smarter."
Every season Juventus have lost a champion yet gained in unity.
The coach watched as Arturo Vidal was sold, Andrea Pirlo departed, Paul Pogba left, Alvaro Morata rejoined Real Madrid and Leonardo Bonucci jumped ship - and yet Juve still win. Three consecutive titles, three Coppa Italia trophies and two Champions League finals.
More than just winning trophies, Allegri developed Morata into a phenomenal footballer suited to the big occasions, turned Carlos Tevez into a real team player, Mario Mandzukic into an exemplary professional and, of course, got the best out of Pogba.
While Conte is often credited for nurturing Pogba's talent, the truth is it was under Allegri that the youngster truly thrived. Thrilling in his final year before a then world-record return to Manchester United, the Frenchman revelled in his new creative role, where he, alongside Miralem Pjanic, delivered the highest number of assists in the league.
However, as Tottenham discovered in Turin, and as Barcelona and Real Madrid had before them, Allegri makes mistakes.
He played a 4-2-3-1 formation in the first leg against the Premier League side - and playing with only two midfielders against a side with Mousa Dembele within its ranks made little sense.
Yet had Gonzalo Higuain taken his chances and Gianluigi Buffon not produced a rare error, Juve would have been 3-1 up in that tie and Allegri would have been applauded for a bold selection.
As for the two Champions League final defeats in 2015 and 2017, the Juve coach may have bottled it or the Bianconeri may have just done what they have historically done all too often - lose a final.
Allegri is still learning, still developing, but two finals in three years should be celebrated and not transformed into a stick with which to beat the man who has surpassed expectations.
He was called weak by many critics who watched as players like Zlatan Ibrahimovic seemed to impose their authority over his dressing room, something they would never do under the tutelage of a classic Italian authoritarian. Allegri sees it differently.
He observes, he adapts, and he has no problems in looking at things from a different point of view.
"I change my mind because I do not consider it a weakness, but a way of growing up," explains Allegri.
His former partners might disagree.
In 1992, Corriere della Sera ran a piece titled, 'The escape of a footballer from the altar in the final hour'. The article described how the groom, a footballer, chose to cancel his wedding just before it was due to take place. The player who "loved surprises" and "could turn a game upside down in the last minute" had seemingly changed his mind.
That player was Allegri and he has never quite shaken off the reputation for being the "bride abandoner".
It was he who helped little Sassuolo reach Serie B for the first time in 2008, it was he who led Cagliari to a ninth-place finish in Serie A a year later, something they had not managed in close to 15 years - something he did despite losing his first five games - and it was Allegri who won AC Milan the title at the first time of asking in 2011, their first Scudetto since 2004.
Yet nothing he has achieved in the past comes close to what he has managed at Juventus.
Greeted on his arrival at the club by boos, tomatoes and whistles, Allegri was, in the eyes of the fans, no fit replacement for their former captain, legend and tactical maestro Antonio Conte when he left to manage the Italy national team in 2014.
Conte had revived the Old Lady with his charisma, hard work and understanding of the Juve way and taken them to three successive titles in his three seasons in charge - their first since they were demoted to Serie B in the wake of the Calciopoli match-fixing scandal.
How could Allegri, sacked by Milan, ever hope to match what his predecessor had achieved?
Allegri has not just matched it. He has exceeded it, adding three more domestic titles and taking his side to two Champions League finals.
There are manufactured coaches and natural coaches. I am one of the natural ones. I do not have to sit there and watch videos for hours. In a quarter of an hour, I understand
Conte had dismissed Juve's hopes of making an impact in Europe, remarking: "You cannot go to eat at a 100 euro restaurant with just 10 euros in your pocket, can you?" But Allegri led that 10 euro squad to the Champions League final in 2015, impressing as he and his squad thrashed the likes of Real Madrid along the way, a club with more than a few million euros in their pocket.
Under Allegri, Juventus grew in strength - physically, mentally and, most importantly, tactically.
Evolution is the watchword for Allegri - his Juve side is constantly being remoulded, repackaged and rebuilt to devastating effect.
The mark of a great coach is often held to be obsessive attention to detail - the opponent studied for days, the players well drilled on the tactical plan and the plays almost memorised as the players move as one, like actors on a stage.
Allegri cares little for that. He is not interested in a style of play, in the philosophised construction of beautiful football, but rather in developing intelligent footballers who think for themselves.
Tactical schemes are indeed taught, and the aim of the game is to have a side that can morph into various different shapes in order to achieve the best possible outcome. But Juventus are rarely beautiful. They are a team who work in the moment, knowing how to hinder the opponent from playing as well as exploiting their own opportunities to score.
When asked why he continued his journey with the Old Lady after losing another Champions League final in 2017, Allegri wrote: "I do this because I love teaching. It is truly the joy of my life. I like making players better and smarter."
Every season Juventus have lost a champion yet gained in unity.
The coach watched as Arturo Vidal was sold, Andrea Pirlo departed, Paul Pogba left, Alvaro Morata rejoined Real Madrid and Leonardo Bonucci jumped ship - and yet Juve still win. Three consecutive titles, three Coppa Italia trophies and two Champions League finals.
More than just winning trophies, Allegri developed Morata into a phenomenal footballer suited to the big occasions, turned Carlos Tevez into a real team player, Mario Mandzukic into an exemplary professional and, of course, got the best out of Pogba.
While Conte is often credited for nurturing Pogba's talent, the truth is it was under Allegri that the youngster truly thrived. Thrilling in his final year before a then world-record return to Manchester United, the Frenchman revelled in his new creative role, where he, alongside Miralem Pjanic, delivered the highest number of assists in the league.
However, as Tottenham discovered in Turin, and as Barcelona and Real Madrid had before them, Allegri makes mistakes.
He played a 4-2-3-1 formation in the first leg against the Premier League side - and playing with only two midfielders against a side with Mousa Dembele within its ranks made little sense.
Yet had Gonzalo Higuain taken his chances and Gianluigi Buffon not produced a rare error, Juve would have been 3-1 up in that tie and Allegri would have been applauded for a bold selection.
As for the two Champions League final defeats in 2015 and 2017, the Juve coach may have bottled it or the Bianconeri may have just done what they have historically done all too often - lose a final.
Allegri is still learning, still developing, but two finals in three years should be celebrated and not transformed into a stick with which to beat the man who has surpassed expectations.
Full article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43274988
If you have a similar manager to Ole would be the difference? Might as well let Ole get you relegated?
I like Allegri and has no problem with his football. His only problem is he's not suited for rebuilding teams so getting him will needa good DoF, something I doubt will ever happen unfortunately. I prefer Poch to him this regard, but of course literally anyone will be better than our current manager, anyone.
Getting excited about the possibility of having him here. Not sure if that's actually due to Allegri or the thought that we might finally get rid of Ole and have a real manager in charge.
Conte. I don't think he was that fluent in English when he came to England. His English was kinda broken.
Conte has already been mentioned, Pochettino and Bobby Robson are other examples off the top of my head. He would obviously learn English too.
Why? I mean, our current team is such a mishmash of misfits that it doesn't really suit any manager.Allegri might suit our current team better than Poch. Also Allegri is definitely not a bad manager. I'm not sure if I'd rate Poch better personally all things considered.
Tuchel and Nagelsmann are definitely more exciting prospects but neither is available at this very moment. Rose maybe as well, although maybe we need to see more of him to be sure he is a good choice for us. Ancelotti is not available IMO at the moment so Allegri is one of the best choices we have
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Oh Dear... Looks like Ole's days are numbered. He has been let down big time by Woodward.
Isn't Allegri supposed to be Mourinho Lite.? With Boring football and park the bus? Ah well if he comes we will look forward to another manager this time next year. Well Brexit and another new Manager to look forward to.!!
Isn't Allegri supposed to be Mourinho Lite.? With Boring football and park the bus? Ah well if he comes we will look forward to another manager this time next year. Well Brexit and another new Manager to look forward to.!!
I'm not keen on Allegri, I really don't wanna see anymore passive negative football.
Conte is hardly a success story given how his second season went, and the talk about losing the dressing room. Poch has been with Southampton for a year and Robson was a different era.
Great manager, the only one who can get results with a shite team like the current United
Yeah, Woodward made him a rubbish manager, when he gets his 'you're fired' moment he will be rightly thanking Woodward for the opportunity.
OgS is not the man but you can’t help but feel it’s groundhog day having someone with a new ‘philosophy’ in.
I’ve no problem chopping & changing manager [we’re not getting another SAF, even successful managers move on now so different managers is something we need to get used to] but having no one to oversee the bigger picture is killing us. The need for a DoF has never been of more importance.
I’m not going to pretend I saw Juve week to week under him so I don’t know how successful he could be but under the current structure Pep & Klopp would struggle.
I’m at a loss; OgS is certainly not good enough but I feel changing the manager won’t have a spectacular effect.
I’ve no problem chopping & changing manager [we’re not getting another SAF, even successful managers move on now so different managers is something we need to get used to] but having no one to oversee the bigger picture is killing us. The need for a DoF has never been of more importance.
I’m not going to pretend I saw Juve week to week under him so I don’t know how successful he could be but under the current structure Pep & Klopp would struggle.
I’m at a loss; OgS is certainly not good enough but I feel changing the manager won’t have a spectacular effect.
For next year, the situation now is quite critical, I would go for Hodgson or Big Sam
He's not always playing passive and negative football though
What would be the answer to the patter of play question if we sign Allegri? I assume he doesn't have a distinct playing style .
Quite sure he didn't win his titles with 2 different clubs and bring lesser teams into Serie A prominence without having a distinct playing style.
Nice to see the usually divided and divisive thread on the possibility of getting a new manager. Let’s be honest no one is good enough unless they’re unobtainable in the opinions of a lot of Caf posters. Klopp, Poch or no one seem to be the answers, this all after we’ve signed Sancho, got a top class DoF and new owners 
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If Ole goes we need a manager with a proven winning mentality and someone who’d be obtainable, able to work with what he has and on a budget. Not so many of those about who aren’t currently employed.
. If Ole goes we need a manager with a proven winning mentality and someone who’d be obtainable, able to work with what he has and on a budget. Not so many of those about who aren’t currently employed.
Conte was a success on account of steamrolling the league with a team who did not have the best squad and winning an FA Cup, Pochettino did well managing in England with barely any English and I don't believe any new languages have been created since Robson managed Barcelona.
Did not have the best squad? Did it not win the league before Jose's disastrous final season? We could say that Conte's first season was a new manager bounce after getting rid of the toxic one, and he got Hazard firing again. And I dont believe Barca hired any other British managers since Robson managed them.
This would be such a poor decision from the club, yet another direction /style.
Pick a direction and stick to it. If Ole isn't up for the job, double down and find a replacement who shares his vision.
Zero consistency and not committing to a philosophy is hurting us
Pick a direction and stick to it. If Ole isn't up for the job, double down and find a replacement who shares his vision.
Zero consistency and not committing to a philosophy is hurting us
Well nobody seems to know what it is in this thread atleast. Did Juventus have pattern of play? I'm asking because i can see the same set of questions being asked a year after Allegri takes over us.
They did have a pattern of play. It's difficult to reach the final of the champions league twice without one.