Massimiliano Allegri targets Manchester United job

This just shows how well the clubs 3 -5 year plan is going.

We signed James and AWB with the slogan Youth, Courage, Success.

Now we want to appoint a manager who is like the the one we sacked.. Defensive, prefers to buy older players.

I would like to see the business model Ed has?
 
romufc said:
This just shows how well the clubs 3 -5 year plan is going.

We signed James and AWB with the slogan Youth, Courage, Success.

Now we want to appoint a manager who is like the the one we sacked.. Defensive, prefers to buy older players.

I would like to see the business model Ed has?
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Allegri prefers older players or he prefers a balance?
 
VP89 said:
Even if we were to accept these as true, I reckon we would still stick with Ole at least until after Chelsea. If we find he has 1 point from the next 3, we can get rid knowing Allegri is keen.
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Makes no sense whatsoever, this isn't something that's going to be fixed in 2-5 matches

You either accept that a overhaul is going to take time or you hire someone else because you're desperate for a short term fix
 
I'm gonna go full racist on this and say I don't fancy him because he's Italian. It just never seems to be a long term smooth adjustment. Plus he's just taking English lessons now which bodes appallingly and winning stuff with Juventus over recent years is shooting fish in a barrel. It's another closed eyes roll of the dice. Just go for Potter at Brighton and shock the football world.
 
UncleBob said:
Makes no sense whatsoever, this isn't something that's going to be fixed in 2-5 matches

You either accept that a overhaul is going to take time or you hire someone else because you're desperate for a short term fix
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No but you have to draw a line somewhere, and in fairness Ole had already passed it
 
At least on paper, Allegri seems to have a lot of pedigree. But like our other appointments, it’s not like other clubs are queuing up to sign him.

And if this were to actually happen, it would seem like a marriage of convenience rather than identification of a key cog in a larger plan. Remains to be seen if this is mere speculation or it has some substance.
 
VP89 said:
Allegri prefers older players or he prefers a balance?
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Tbh I haven't seen much of Allegri but from the the AC milan team and more recently Juventus.

Juve have had - Matuidi, Khedira, Cheillini, Bonnuci, Mandzukic etc..

We have tried that with Jose, we went down a different route this summer.

It is just abit annoying if we hire a manager that takes us back 3 seasons.
 
If this is happening I at least hope we let Ole know before the rest of the world unlike with LVG
 
Allegri will be our next manager. Just a horrible lack of respect showed to the current one, sadly.
 
Needham said:
I'm gonna go full racist on this and say I don't fancy him because he's Italian. It just never seems to be a long term smooth adjustment. Plus he's just taking English lessons now which bodes appallingly and winning stuff with Juventus over recent years is shooting fish in a barrel. It's another closed eyes roll of the dice. Just go for Potter at Brighton and shock the football world.
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:lol: always the best way to start a post
 
Needham said:
I'm gonna go full racist on this and say I don't fancy him because he's Italian. It just never seems to be a long term smooth adjustment. Plus he's just taking English lessons now which bodes appallingly and winning stuff with Juventus over recent years is shooting fish in a barrel. It's another closed eyes roll of the dice. Just go for Potter at Brighton and shock the football world.
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Ancelotti and Conte won the PL in their first seasons and Sarri got a respectable top 4 finish plus Europa. Being Italian should actually be a point in favor of him.
 
Needham said:
I'm gonna go full racist on this and say I don't fancy him because he's Italian. It just never seems to be a long term smooth adjustment. Plus he's just taking English lessons now which bodes appallingly and winning stuff with Juventus over recent years is shooting fish in a barrel. It's another closed eyes roll of the dice. Just go for Potter at Brighton and shock the football world.
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Yeah because Italian managers in PL have been such flops recently :lol: Don't be ridiculuous.

I'll feel far more confident and optimistic with tactical maestro Allegri in charge than with Nagelsmann, Rose, Poch etc. who have nothing to show for their careers so far. They never had to handle a job with high expectations, while Juventus aim for the treble every year.
 
romufc said:
Tbh I haven't seen much of Allegri but from the the AC milan team and more recently Juventus.

Juve have had - Matuidi, Khedira, Cheillini, Bonnuci, Mandzukic etc..

We have tried that with Jose, we went down a different route this summer.

It is just abit annoying if we hire a manager that takes us back 3 seasons.
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He bought Pjanic at 24/25 to replace Pogba, he had Sandro at LB who was younger at the time and Bonucci was what, 28 when he joined? And Dybala too. Seems a brilliant balance to me.


Allegri is not Jose. I think that's a lazy assumption.
 
Nickelodeon said:
Ancelotti and Conte won the PL in their first seasons and Sarri got a respectable top 4 finish plus Europa. Being Italian should actually be a point in favor of him.
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Yeah Ancelotti was dealt a bad hand. In fact I stand corrected. In retrospect he could have been a proper successor to SAF. Would have commanded the respect to earn more time and surely knew the European transfer market a sight better than David whatsisname
 
romufc said:
This just shows how well the clubs 3 -5 year plan is going.

We signed James and AWB with the slogan Youth, Courage, Success.

Now we want to appoint a manager who is like the the one we sacked.. Defensive, prefers to buy older players.

I would like to see the business model Ed has?
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ED is a literal child, the club hasn’t learned anything over the last six years, absolute joke, zero long term thinking.
 
VP89 said:
He bought Pjanic at 24/25 to replace Pogba, he had Sandro at LB who was younger at the time and Bonucci was what, 28 when he joined? And Dybala too. Seems a brilliant balance to me.


Allegri is not Jose. I think that's a lazy assumption.
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As I said, I haven't seen too much of him.

But reports I have read, it seems he is a negative coach, much like most Italians are quite defensive.

But the positives could be he might be the one to get the best out of a certain Paul Pogba?
 
romufc said:
This just shows how well the clubs 3 -5 year plan is going.

We signed James and AWB with the slogan Youth, Courage, Success.

Now we want to appoint a manager who is like the the one we sacked.. Defensive, prefers to buy older players.

I would like to see the business model Ed has?
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Do we? Are you beleiving the Daily Mail because you want this to be true, or do you genuinely beleive it?
 
VP89 said:
He bought Pjanic at 24/25 to replace Pogba, he had Sandro at LB who was younger at the time and Bonucci was what, 28 when he joined? And Dybala too. Seems a brilliant balance to me.


Allegri is not Jose. I think that's a lazy assumption.
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Lazy or stupid? The vast majority of our signings under Jose weren't even old Matic and Sanchez basically, age was not the issue with our signings.

Signing a couple of 28 year olds to instantly raise the quality this squad is actually what we need. It's about balance.
 
VP89 said:
No but you have to draw a line somewhere, and in fairness Ole had already passed it
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Sorting this mess out takes time. As i've said before, back when Rodgers were managing Liverpool there wasn't a single person on here who thought that their setup was ideal with the committee and Edwards, now it's the holy grail of solutions.
 
ivaldo said:
Do we? Are you beleiving the Daily Mail because you want this to be true, or do you genuinely beleive it?
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Sorry, I should say we are linked to one.

Personally, I would leave Ole in charge until the right man is found. There is no point reacting to something, that's what the club have been doing for years.

We seem to be in trouble and then Ed goes into the managerial market.. who is available.. okay we will take him rather than working out a plan.
 
romufc said:
As I said, I haven't seen too much of him.

But reports I have read, it seems he is a negative coach, much like most Italians are quite defensive.

But the positives could be he might be the one to get the best out of a certain Paul Pogba?
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I don't think he's as defensive as Jose was, and yes he does have a knack of trying to close out games when he should just go for the jugular. However he's a winner and extremely well rehearsed tactician from what I know. I recall particular praise his way when they dispatched of a rampant Monaco and he switched systems during the game which Monaco couldn't cope with.

Obviously he's not the best of the best, and yes he has issues. But he's miles, miles better than Ole and could be a good option for 2 years, before we look to an attack minded coach. Allegri would be good to build in a system suiting the team best, installing a winning mentality and he undoubtedly has a better way of evaluating talent. We can do a lot worse than him to bring us back up.

Note he's not my first choice but I accept we may need pragmatism before moving to aesthetics.
 
VP89 said:
I don't think he's as defensive as Jose was, and yes he does have a knack of trying to close out games when he should just go for the jugular. However he's a winner and extremely well rehearsed tactician from what I know. I recall particular praise his way when they dispatched of a rampant Monaco and he switched systems during the game which Monaco couldn't cope with.

Obviously he's not the best of the best, and yes he has issues. But he's miles, miles better than Ole and could be a good option for 2 years, before we look to an attack minded coach. Allegri would be good to build in a system suiting the team best, installing a winning mentality and he undoubtedly has a better way of evaluating talent. We can do a lot worse than him to bring us back up.

Note he's not my first choice but I accept we may need pragmatism before moving to aesthetics.
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This would not be an issue if we hired him straight after Ole, but then going to someone who wants to press and play attacking (ewven though Ole has failed) the players will have to adapt again to a different way of playing.

Can you Imagine some of these players have had LVG's possession, Jose's rigidity, Ole's attempt of fluidity and now another style in the space of 4 years?

How do you expect these players to improve?

It seems as if we are linked with him because he is the only option available right now. If there were 5/6 top coaches available, would we be looking at him?
 
UncleBob said:
Sorting this mess out takes time. As i've said before, back when Rodgers were managing Liverpool there wasn't a single person on here who thought that their setup was ideal with the committee and Edwards, now it's the holy grail of solutions.
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Sorting this mess out doesn't mean we fight relegation a quarter into the season. You can't hide Ole's poor management with "there will be ups and downs" and "this takes time".

We know it takes time, but we also know our squad is better than what they showed against Astana, Rochdale, West Ham, Newcastle, AZ, etc.
 
romufc said:
This would not be an issue if we hired him straight after Ole, but then going to someone who wants to press and play attacking (ewven though Ole has failed) the players will have to adapt again to a different way of playing.

Can you Imagine some of these players have had LVG's possession, Jose's rigidity, Ole's attempt of fluidity and now another style in the space of 4 years?

How do you expect these players to improve?

It seems as if we are linked with him because he is the only option available right now. If there were 5/6 top coaches available, would we be looking at him?
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Honestly I don't think Ole has a system, so it's a matter of players moving away from some random instructions and towards more clear drills and formations and positions that they can actually learn from.

Moreover, I don't give two shits about half of our team because they won't last beyond 2 windows, whereas Allegri/whoever will be with us for 2 years. They will bring in players who they know can fit their system (another reason to avoid Ole. I don't think he knows world football, or he knows of the best system).
 
We create one clear chance a game under Ole and consistenly play two defensive midfielders.

Nothing Allegri does would be more defensive than what Ole does. He'd also be better at being defensive.
 
romufc said:
Sorry, I should say we are linked to one.

Personally, I would leave Ole in charge until the right man is found. There is no point reacting to something, that's what the club have been doing for years.

We seem to be in trouble and then Ed goes into the managerial market.. who is available.. okay we will take him rather than working out a plan.
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I don't think we can lend any credence to this report from the DM. I don't think they are in any hurry to replace Ole, not yet anyway.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
We create one clear chance a game under Ole and consistenly play two defensive midfielders.

Nothing Allegri does would be more defensive than what Ole does. He'd also be better at being defensive.
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Allegri is more offensive than all four of our previous managers (if you can even call Ole a manager) but Caf is concerned about his playstyle aesthetics :wenger:

I know this will not go down well but Allegri's Juve actually scored more goals per match on average than SAF's United.
 
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Halal Jalal said:
Allegri is more offensive than all four of our previous managers (if you can even call Ole a manager) but Caf is concerned about his playstyle aesthetics :wenger:

I know this will not go down well but Allegri's Juve actually scored more goals per match on average than SAF's United.
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In Serie A....whose bottom half teams are championship level .
 
dev1l said:
In Serie A....whose bottom half teams are championship level .
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To be fair, we've had an era of dominance not dissimilar to Allegri's Juventus and bottom table PL teams were far more sh*ttier than they're now.

I'm not comparing Allegri and SAF though, there's no "next SAF" because the great man was one of a kind and the sport has moved on as well. Klopp and Pep are the only consistently successful managers in the world playing attacking football, Zidane is equally as pragmatic as Allegri. Valverde is far worse.
 
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adedawson said:
This is the same guy that took a dominant AC Milan team too 11th Place.

Hes done well at Juve because of the inherited team he had.
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In 2011 Allegri won AC Milan's first Serie A title since 2004. That was AC Milan's last Serie A title and their last major trophy won. Between 2012 and 2014 Milan were busy dismantling the side. Silva, Ibra, Cassano, Nesta, Gattuso and Pato left in 2012, Boateng and Ambrosini left the year after while Balotelli, Cristante, Kaka and Robinho left the year after that. Under Allegri, Milan won the league, they ended up 3rd and 8th. In 2015 they ended 10th under Pippo and 7th under Sinisa the year after.
 
Priority numero uno should be Poch, if we cant land him I'd be happy with Allegri. Juve were a great team under him. They reached two consecutive CL finals whilst he was at the helm.
 
adedawson said:
This is the same guy that took a dominant AC Milan team too 11th Place.

Hes done well at Juve because of the inherited team he had.
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The Juve part might be true. But Milan was in decline when he came in. They had finished 4th (69p), 5th (64p), 3rd (74p), 3rd (70p) the previous years when he came in. He won in his first season (82p). The next season the finished 2nd (80p) and then everything went wrong.
 
VP89 said:
Sorting this mess out doesn't mean we fight relegation a quarter into the season. You can't hide Ole's poor management with "there will be ups and downs" and "this takes time".

We know it takes time, but we also know our squad is better than what they showed against Astana, Rochdale, West Ham, Newcastle, AZ, etc.
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Oh come on, we're 5 points away from top 4, relax a bit.

No manager is going to come in and snap his fingers to have a fully fit squad. What's caused us problems is that the players we need to rely on have been out injured.
 
adedawson said:
This is the same guy that took a dominant AC Milan team too 11th Place.
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That might be the least accurate summary I've ever heard about anything. Not to be unkind but that is a really solid example of why you shouldn't talk about things you don't know.
 
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