Outcast because he is shite or outcast because he won’t sign a new contract? Who knows
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Loyalty!? Ha!!The negativity is that we're linked with a pretty average and quite boring player and other teams are linked with better ones. Why would anyone be positive about that?
And why are you showing loyalty to a player we don't even own
I’m just perplexed at why so many people are disappointed with this potential transfer. He’s a good player who ALL the top clubs want. So he can’t be that bad.
Based on what?
All the top clubs "wanted" Maguire. But in the end we were the only ones stupid enough to pay £85m for him and have suffered for his presence for the last 2 seasons.
We shall wait I see!!!!!! I’m here all summer.
Good post. If we can sign Rabiot on a free and Mount for about 45m, we’ve completed a midfield overhaul in the space of two summers that’s left us with a very deep, and quality midfield in which there is lots of balance. The first choice would probably be Casemiro, Mount, Fernandes. Plenty of legs, passing quality, technical ability and goals in that. And the second choice would be Rabiot, Fred, and Eriksen.
Every position is covered twice over. And nearly every combination works. For tough away matches you could go with a Casemiro, Rabiot, Mount trio for example, and push Bruno to RW. Combinations are endless. Mount can sit further back as a true 8, or against low block teams play as a hybrid 8/10 alongside Bruno.
This is a transfer I like a lot for the way it fits into our squad, and as a facilitator for other players. If we aren’t signing Bellingham as that 8 (spoiler: we aren’t), I think he’s one of the best midfielders available on the market, especially when you consider the price point. Much rather spend 45-50m on Mount than 80m on Caicedo or 100m on Rice. We can credibly get Mount and Rabiot combined, for 30m less than one Caicedo, or half the price of Rice. This lets us spend the 100m or so needed to fix the CF problem.
If we can ship out McTominay (25m), DvB (10m), and Sabitzer (loan return), and bring in Mount (50m) and Rabiot (free), for a net 15m and probably a neutral or slight increase in payroll; it would have the be one of the best pieces of business of the summer by any club.
Another way to look at it. We can ship out Maguire, McTominay, VdB, Sabitzer, and bring in Kim Min-Jae, Rabiot and Mount for a net 40-45m and probably a slight reduction in payroll. Ending up with one of the best and deepest CB and CM rosters in Europe. Better balance, better cover, more quality, way more depth, more tactical options, more utility, more CL experience etc. Then we can focus a 100m push to get in Kane or Osimhen, and this squad suddenly looks like title challengers.
DDG; AWB, Varane, Martínez, Shaw; Casemiro, Mount, Fernandes; Rashford, Kane, Antony
Raya; Dalot, Kim, Lindelof, Malacia; Rabiot, Fred, Eriksen, Garnacho, Martial, Sancho
Two very good teams for a net spend of 160m approx. Which is well within budget.
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I am not convinced at all in Mount, we should aim on players with better qualities for this kind of money.
It is reported that Chelsea want minimum 60m pounds for him
this is robbery we can buy better players for similar or even lower amount of sum which are like Mac Allister, Barella , Wirtz etc .
I don't see what ETH see in him, hope i am wrong but think we are going to give unnecessary money to Chelsea so they can sell their mediocre/injury prone player and replace him with better one !
It is reported that Chelsea want minimum 60m pounds for him
this is robbery we can buy better players for similar or even lower amount of sum which are like Mac Allister, Barella , Wirtz etc .I don't see what ETH see in him, hope i am wrong but think we are going to give unnecessary money to Chelsea so they can sell their mediocre/injury prone player and replace him with better one !
Unfortunately, I have. He is average. And it is depressing when you have midfielders like Caicedo out there, and you instead go for Mason Mount. I'd even take a risk on unknowns like Kokcu before a known average like Mount.
From what I can tell, his best qualities are the same qualities you’d associate with Fred. Assuming it’s one-in-one-out, is he a big upgrade on Fred?
It’s relative to the budget and who else we bring in, but he doesn’t solve the Casemiro cover issue and he doesn’t solve the deep lying playmaker issue either. So even with Mount and £55 million spent on that area of the pitch, we still need two midfielders for those specialised roles. we’re in a position to buy a midfielder that can cover Casemiro short and long term, but can also do most of the things Mount can as well.
It'd be like having Fred and Eriksen in one player, I consider him better than Fred in his physical attributes and his passing and creative attributes, he's a much better creator and goal scorer. Obviously he has much better physical attributes than Eriksen, but i'd say his depth of passing isn't as good.
Fred will be 31 next season and Eriksen 32 and barely mobile as is, Mount imo is a good addition to combine the elements of both in a player that would have many more years at the club. Eriksen and Fred are good to have around in certain situations but I don't think we can especially rely on Eriksen in a lot of matches because he's just too slow
Fred is much better in disrupting play and providing balance though. Casemiro would go home crying every game if Mount was his midfield partner.
Most of the posts here ever since we were linked to Mount sounds like Michael Carrick in 2006 prior to moving to us from Spurs. I mean come on, give the man a chance if the manager wants him. He doesn’t have a fancy name but if he’s coming in to make us a better and functional team with his own qualities, i am all for it
Sufficient technical ability is generous. I don’t think he’s anywhere near Eriksen creatively (particularly in terms of passing range and vision), so I’m not sure he’d be up to the role as the midfield metronome.
If Maguire went to City, I think he’d have a much better reputation than he currently does. Same as with Fred.
Disrupting play I would agree with you but he's far too erratic and quite frankly invisible a lot of the times, when he's on it I love watching him play but he's on it so few and far between that it's almost criminal because you can clearly see what he has in his locker. Also there's been many times this season Fred has not even played with Casemiro when you might argue why wasn't ETH playing him so much when Eriksen was injured.
Judging from the way ETH has us setup these days I think he's definitely transitioned from the idea of a DLP setup with a De Jong type player to one with one 6 ala Casemiro and 2 mobile 8's ala Mount and Bruno, with one of the fullbacks tucking in to help Casemiro when required, this would gel with reports that we are looking at midfielders like Mount and Mac Allister that provide versatility
Fred's already 30 and the exact kind of player you'd expect to have no longevity at all.
As good as he's been at points this season, and while I don't particularly rate Mount, it's probably the wise move if the price is right. Especially when we already have several better players in Fred's age bracket who will need replacing in the medium-long term future as well.
I think the gap between him and Eriksen in passing is pretty big tbh.
Most people seem to want a midfielder who can control tempo….and I think that’s the major objection to Mount as a signing. He might come and end up being really good at what he does, except what he does isn’t what people want
Now that Leicester has been relegated, what exactly is the point of getting Mount over Maddison?
Not only is Maddison the better player, he will also be cheaper and likely demand less wages.
Not only is Maddison the better player, he will also be cheaper and likely demand less wages.
Fred’s 30? feck me I thought he was a lot younger.
I'm not a fan of the player Fred on here at all, but really doubt that Mount is the solution either.
Mac Allister would fit that role a bit better probably, but it seems like Shaw is the only full back we have who would fit that role well. I don't think Dalot, AWB, Malacia, or even Frimpong could effectively do that. Nor do I think it will help us to control games. We'd be even more dangerous in transition though.
Yeah, in addition to providing a good level of ball carrying too which nobody else has, and the right age. It would be a huge improvement, even if not necessarily the guy who can calm things down and not Frenkie level.
Firstly, Mount is not average. Far from it. Secondly signing Caicedo for 80m, when you can get Mount for 50m, isn’t the same thing. Thirdly, there is nothing depressing about a top manager identifying a player who he thinks fits perfectly into his tactical system, and said player being (a) available at a reasonable fee, and (b) a full and regular England international, two times Chelsea player of the year, champions league winner, premier league proven, and only 25 years old.
But by all means, let’s shit on that one, tell Ten Hag He’s wrong and take a punt on some unknowns, or spend close to a hundred million instead on another player of similar quality to the one you don’t like, and not have enough left over to buy a decent striker.
I'm actually a little surprised Chelsea are prepared to sanction Mount's sale. He seems like the type of player who'd be right up Pochettino's street.
He's out of contract in 12 months. Get £50 odd mil now or lose him for nothing in a year.
We should give it a year then, terrible deal for us.
Is there no chance of him renewing?
Sure.
This would be my issue too.
Like Mount as a player, zero issue with him as a prospective United signing in general terms but have doubts as to how the team will actually function in a set-up with Casemiro as a #6 and Bruno/Mount as advanced #8s.
I've seen people compare it to the set-up of his latter Ajax side with Gravenberch/Berghuis ahead of Alvarez, but I think that midfield got a lot more support in possession from the back five than we can currently provide.
Would you prefer to keep him? Is he worth the 60m we’re supposed to be offering?
He’s looked really good in flashes, but not for a while now. He’s the sort of player that can play a few different roles but, on that other hand, that’s because he’s never quite nailed down a position as his own.
Still, maybe Ten Hag has seen something in him and where he would fit into his system so for the right price I wouldn’t mind (but how likely are we going to be able to secure the right price?).
There are many players that I would prefer though like Rice, Lavia, Caicedo, MacAllister to name but a a few Premier League names.
Still, maybe Ten Hag has seen something in him and where he would fit into his system so for the right price I wouldn’t mind (but how likely are we going to be able to secure the right price?).
There are many players that I would prefer though like Rice, Lavia, Caicedo, MacAllister to name but a a few Premier League names.
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Yes and yes.
Not sure but I think its hard to look good in a chelsea shirt of late and the nature of their signings, some of the less glamorous names can go under the radar....
Caicedo is class, but he plays same role as casemiro's. Mount is the more advanced guy, where him and Bruno will be floating 8's. He actually fits it pretty well and I really see it from the Eriksen + Fred combined perspective. Caicedo is so good that I'd love him anyway, think he can be one of the best around, but i don't see it given casemiro.
We'r not switching to diamonds, back 3's or any other formation the manager has barley ever used just to accomodate Mason Mount ffs, if we sign him, its because Ten Hag see's him fitting into the system he's built his managerial career around.
I looked back at some of your posts and am convinced that if you think he’s average, then we should definitely sign him. Here’s another player you thought was average just 9 months ago:
Here are some other gems from you about Rashford over the last 12 months:
You are clearly not only a terrible judge of players, but also prone to some hysterical hyperbole.
Think Makelele and Essien Chelsea 05/06, Casemiro has more up his sleeve offensively than Makelele so it has potential to be an even better fit. We need a player like Caicedo or Rice next to Casemiro in the big games, so we don’t have to keep on shoving Fernandes onto the wing and can maintain control even with wasteful possession from our forwards.
Hrm? He's injured, not outcast. Chelsea are trying desperately to keep him.
This is it, we won’t get to the top by purely being a counterpunching team.
Liverpool managed to get away with zero creativity and just workhorses in midfield (prior to Alacantara) by having all their creativity coming from the full backs. But we’d need 2 new full backs to do that
Game, set and match.
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