This is a very odd way to evaluate players. Gareth Southgate is the authoritative arbiter of player quality now?
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This is a very odd way to evaluate players. Gareth Southgate is the authoritative arbiter of player quality now?
Who said he was the best right back in the world? Nobody in this thread. "arguably one of the best" was the quote you responded to, which is not an outrageous claim.
And what do you mean by "fails to make the best RB in the league continuously"?
If you’re good you’re good. Regardless of what Southgate thinks. Name a player that has was good and was overlooked.
If anything he's worse as a wing back. Our near comeback against Real Madrid in the CL QF last year was mostly because he went from RWB to RB to better isolate and deal with Vinicius.
Well what’s the argument then? He’s on big wages and another player who’s contributed as much to the team as he has wants similar wages. That was my only argument.
The fact people said this was weird made me believe the RB was world class and the other player was medi.
I don't really have a strong opinion on the world's best right backs I have to say. Seems a fairly shallow pool. I just thought you played wing backs most of the time.
Are you referring to James not making the WC squad this past year as some sort of smoking gun? You do realise he was injured, right?
Southgate obviously rates him. As does anyone with half a brain - he's very very clearly better than Mount.
Again, arguing that Mount is as important as James is to Chelsea is nonsense. James is comfortably better and more important.
I know he was. But he doesn’t play over Walker regardless which is my point.
The argument is that James is better than Mount and probably deserves more money.
Yeah we have done for the past couple years - but that isn't down to Reece being incapable at RB. During the Madrid tie, Loftus-Cheek played in front of James just so the latter could deal with Vini 1v1 - Christensen was a disaster there for the first half of the first leg.
So you are appealing to the infallible football authority that is Gareth Southgate then?
I really don’t care. My argument is James is on big wages and if I was an agent there is nothing James has done for Chelsea which declares my client Mason Mount should not be on the same/similar wages.
Everything anyone else is saying is irrelevant and personal opinion.
Is he better than Hakimi and Kyle Walker?
Even though I disagree with you when you say Cas is a limited passer, but even if he is limited passer, playing alongside two 8s will take the pressure of creating chances off Cas just like it was for him playing alongside Modric and Kroos.
I am not saying Mount is a great passer or anything like that, I am only pointing out that Casemiro can focus on his DM role if he plays behind two 8s who can pass the ball.
James is comfortably the better player and deserves to be paid more. It really isn't complicated.
Yes, he's better than both of them. James' issue is solely staying fit. He's a lot better going forward than Walker and a lot better defensively than Hakimi.
He just injured his hamstring again, for the fifth time in his career. At 250k he's looking to be your own Martial.
I don't watch the French league so have no idea about Hakimi but I personally think he's a bit better than Walker (who is a very, very good player), not as fast but a better player.
I mean that is a ludicrous comparison. He's very obviously among the best in the world at his position - has Martial ever even been the best striker in any squad he's been a part of?
I get the argument that if you're Mount and you've come through the system with James and both "made it", both been good performers for Chelsea then it would be a little surprising to be getting substantially less. From a players and agents point of view that would always be a point of contention. That's how these things tend to work. You can guarantee agents are across all the detail kicking up a fuss when anything is not quite in line.
If the figures are true, it sounds to me a bit like James is getting a wee bit too much for a right back that does pick up injuries and Mount is probably underpaid based on his performance a couple of seasons ago.
I rather hope we don't want to give him 250k if we get him. There's probably some kind of medium between the two figures that would make a bit more sense for Mount's standing in the game. He's a good player but not exactly a proven winner, a hugely established international player that's done well at that level, or one of the PL's top performers over a period which to me are the kind of benchmarks where I want to be paying 250k plus. I think I'd want to give him a deal that provides incentive for him becoming those things.
If the figures are true, it sounds to me a bit like James is getting a wee bit too much for a right back that does pick up injuries and Mount is probably underpaid based on his performance a couple of seasons ago.
I rather hope we don't want to give him 250k if we get him. There's probably some kind of medium between the two figures that would make a bit more sense for Mount's standing in the game. He's a good player but not exactly a proven winner, a hugely established international player that's done well at that level, or one of the PL's top performers over a period which to me are the kind of benchmarks where I want to be paying 250k plus. I think I'd want to give him a deal that provides incentive for him becoming those things.
It’s not complicated at all. He’s on stupid wages and players better than him like Walker and Hakimi earn less. But yet we are arguing a player ‘we don’t like’ who is as important as him for his team shouldn’t be close to him on wages.
It’s bizarre and driven by hate. It’s like prefer Martial over Rashford and deciding Rashford shouldn’t be earning nowhere near Martial because you believe Martial is the better player.
They had a wage policy and have tried to change it for Mount, which he doesn’t agree with. So he’s going. It’s pretty simple.
Atleast you get it. It’s been hard trying to get this point across to others.
Yeah right.
Kyle Walker isn’t a better RB than Reece James? You okay?
I'm laughing at the idea you think he earns less.
You keep arguing that Mount is as important as James. This is completely incorrect. The premise of your entire argument is wrong.
Everywhere I’ve looked says his base salary is below £200k a week. But if you have evidence he earns more. Send me the link.
Mount was offered a comparable contract. He rejected it and wanted something far more outlandish, on par with Sterling / Koulibaly / Kante.
You keep arguing that Mount is as important as James. This is completely incorrect. The premise of your entire argument is wrong.
You telling he isn’t is an opinion piece. If I was Mount’s argent I would have a good case to disagree.
He's probably looking at Koulibaly and thinking he could play centre half better than that.
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Neither players wages are public knowledge so there's no evidence for either of them.
If you think Man City don't pay their players a feckton, OK.
What are you talking about? James and Mount were both offered comparable contracts. James accepted it, Mount didn't. You can't then cite Mount being paid less as somehow being a sign of disrespect from Chelsea when he's the one who turned down being paid the same amount James is.
He's much better than McTominay.
I just don't know if he's good enough to be our first choice midfielder.
He's probably looking at Koulibaly and thinking he could play centre half better than that.
He's not wrong!
Apologies - I was being a bit facetious anyway as that's the NYTimes article about City's financial malfeasance.
James is clearly a better player than Mount and it’s the right thing to do not to give him James’ wages. If someone’s personal opinion is that Mount is as good then it’s just a rubbish opinion.
While Mount is a decent to good player, no matter how much I think about it, he is just not someone we need.
While Mount is a decent to good player, no matter how much I think about it, he is just not someone we need.
He wants what represents fair value to the rest of his teammates or maybe he just wants to leave. Who’s knows. But he isn’t singing for less than £200k a week.
Looks like he's taking advantage of the situation over there where you lot are handing out the contracts like candy. Good for him, can't say he hasn't earned it, he's been an important part of your success
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