I felt he looked basic when I saw him for Chelsea. Does this help?
He's only played for one of them. Since when are Ten Hag and Arteta elites?
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Another super overrated English player. He is decent at best, we have enough decent enough players already in our squad.
Why not go for Doku and Gift Orban to name 2 less expensive players, they’re young , moldable and actually exciting to watch. Doku would be an instant favorite with his enormous speed and quick feet.
Why not go for Doku and Gift Orban to name 2 less expensive players, they’re young , moldable and actually exciting to watch. Doku would be an instant favorite with his enormous speed and quick feet.
Obviously because Ten Hag didn’t play against them in the Eredivise. Seems to be a big part of his criteria in who he wants
He was a rotation option in the season when he gave him his manager's Player of the Season award. He then hardly played him in the season he was sacked.
Not to be that person that "you are always correct" but it is fairly clear that British posters are mostly wrong.
All of this is entirely correct. He's extremely flexible and intelligent as a player - traits which often go underappreciated by supporters who think adjustments are solely the purview of the manager.
Mount is genuinely not bad at anything and very very good at many things - he's not the type of player who should be the best in the XI, but if he's a complementary piece he's absolutely elite. I find it absolutely ludicrous that we're going to lose him for (relative) peanuts - assuming Poch is coming in I think he could do extremely well in the presumptive Alli 8/SS hybrid role.
Overrated as all English players. He is not that good. We’ll be good passing on his sheer mediocrity.
How much would he cost, since he has 1 year left in his contract?
He’s not. A possession based manager neither deviates from his principles completely nor gives up on his philosophy for counter attacking football as we have been under ten hag this season. He likes to have control but he’s not a possession based manager. He’s flexible just like Mount.
I think Ten Hag managed against him at Ajax (when Mount was starring at Vitesse and in the CL) so yeah he probably rates him from that like with Malacia.
if we could sign him for less than 40m, that would be a very good business. But I doubt Chelsea would sell him for that even with 1yr left.
Having a manager who is mix of Klopp/Guardiola is no bad thing. I am warming to this Mount thing if he really can play all these different roles. So IF we got him,Rabiot on a free who should be the third piece of the midfield puzzle
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Yeah I wonder what Utd's valuation for him is
What IS he?
Let's buy him. Sancho wants company on the bench. I admit, it can be boring.
Another meaningless signing that will be marketed as a "value buy" and an "opportunity" instead of focusing on what we really need - a goalscorer.
Another meaningless signing that will be marketed as a "value buy" and an "opportunity" instead of focusing on what we really need - a goalscorer.
A footballer apparently.
Can see why ETH might want him, he's versatile, has good control and passing and works hard.
And he'd be a big step up from Fred and McT and that can only be welcomed.
But, I'd be almost certain, that this will not happen.
Yeah we picked Casemiro up from PSV and he spotted Harry Kane at Heerenveen.
Another joker dancer when teams down? Will take the lingard role
https://youtube.com/shorts/F2JkT0tIqNY?feature=share
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Selling McFred for 30-40m and replacing them with Matuidi and Mount for 40-50m sounds like decent business.
Casemiro, Fernandes, Mount, Eriksen and Matuidi would give us some pretty good midfield options next season.
Casemiro, Fernandes, Mount, Eriksen and Matuidi would give us some pretty good midfield options next season.
That’s what he is.
He is nothing yet everything.
He is the jack of all trades - master of none.
The fanbase see that he isn’t a master at a specific role and think he is shit or overrated - whilst the managers absolutely love him because they can really use a master of trade anywhere they want at anytime they want during a specific manager’s tactics.
In a emergency hospital - wouldn’t it be great for 1 guy who a bit of a doctor, a bit of a nurse, a bit of a X-ray specialist, a bit of a cleaner and all?
A team could use the jack of all trade even if he is the master of none - because it would make the team always more fluid as someone is always available capable to play any role.
My biggest issue with Mount is I've never really seen him control a game, is he a 10, an 8, something in between? To me he's incredibly passive and offers nothing we don't already have. I'd rather keep Fred and spend £50million elsewhere.
He plays much higher as a no 10 or inside forward. They rarely control games there but more judged in contributions. Not sure if he has the positional discipline to play no. 8. If we do sign him then Erik has decided to play a certain way next season and identified Mount for the role. Maybe going 4-3-3?
Mount is 100 times more reliable and versatile than Fred. If that’s the choice Mount would be a massive improvement.
This is how I am seeing it. I believe that a mass exodus is on the cards with the likes of Maguire, Heaton, Greenwood, McT, VDB and Fred shown the door. That's a problem in terms of homegrown quotas. Now we've seen that a DM is needed as Casemiro won't be lasting long if he has to play 2-3 games a week. Thus why we'll probably want Rice. Mount will be cover/competitor for Rice and Bruno. We might see this midfield against easy clubs
-------Mount/Eriksen---------Rice/Casemiro
Antony-------------------Bruno---------------------Rashy
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this midfield against tougher sides
-------------Rice------------------Casemiro
Antony-----------------Bruno-------------------------Rashy
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this against the toughest sides
----------Rice---------------------Casemiro
Bruno------------Mount--------------Rashy
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-------Mount/Eriksen---------Rice/Casemiro
Antony-------------------Bruno---------------------Rashy
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this midfield against tougher sides
-------------Rice------------------Casemiro
Antony-----------------Bruno-------------------------Rashy
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this against the toughest sides
----------Rice---------------------Casemiro
Bruno------------Mount--------------Rashy
------------------------STK---------------------------
He's at the right age profile, and has had
The team don't look that frightening with possibly additional 150m outlay there (Rice plus Mount).
The team don't look that frightening with possibly additional 150m outlay there (Rice plus Mount).
It would be pretty terrible to have someone like that in an emergency hospital, are you crazy?
Far from being good enough, but gives us some space to find better players for the future I guess. This all depends on a good price, we shouldn't be spending much on these 2.
Another issue is age. Casemiro, eriksen and Bruno are close or past their 30. So having rice and mount will rejuvenate CM. Price is indeed an issue. The flipside is that they are all heading at the end of their contracts + they are mates with one another and Shaw. If we sign Rice then I can see mount telling Chelsea that ge will only consider offers from us
This is my view as well the homegrown status is a huge issue when we sell Maguire, Mctominay, D Henderson, A Elanga, B Williams. This is why AWB will not be sold and I think Greenwood at 21 will be loaned only to an Italian team for 12 months to get his value up but also with a secondary view of bringing him back season 24/25, that one is far from decided just yet.
Its proven that we need 26/27 players due to intensity of matches and injuries. The squad always has 4/5 players not available and with 5 sub rule you just need more options. If we want a squad of 27 we need 10 homegrown players or 8 plus 2 under 21 in a youth set up.
Squad 23/24 GK (3) - D Raya, D De Gea, T Heaton (HG)
Defenders (9) - AWB(HG), D Dalot, J Frimpong(HG), KMJ, R Varane, L Martinez, V Lindelof, L Shaw(HG), T Malacia
Midfield(7) - Casemeiro, Ericssen, Bruno, Fred, D Rice(HG), M Mount(HG), K Mainoo(HG)
Attackers(7) - Rashford(HG), Sancho(HG), Garnaucho (HG), Antony, Amad, R Hojlund, M Thurham
We will not get Kane we might get V Osimhen but my guess is we are either buying G Ramos or R Hojlund as our main CFW plus a free for M Thurham. That’s 10 HG in a squad of 27 for me it lacks creativity in midfield but it’s very strong defensively. Probably costs £275-300m and we will get rid of £100m of players.
I can also see the attraction of Neymar on a loan deal simply due to the lack of creativity in the squad.
Could this be an Owen Hargreaves-esque signing where a lot of fans (myself included) had doubts about how he would fit in and then he ended up being a crucial part of the midfield jigsaw puzzle?
I literally can't imagine a worse way to run a hospital.
But in a football team, yes tactical flexibility helps a lot.
Just trying to find an example where a jack of all trades is able to take the pressure off for a whole team - by covering for them in multiple areas of an environment.
Depends what you mean by "good enough", really.
Is he good enough to be a starter is a PL or CL winning side? Sure, in the right set up. In much the same way some relatively functional players at Liverpool were, as part of a team that brought out the best of them.
And Mount's basic skillset (a good level of technical ability, an extremely good level of pressing ability and an ability to fill in multiple positions) lends itself towards fitting into a lot of set-ups in that way.
But you sure as hell wouldn't want to be depending on him as your main creative force in midfield, or the guy you turn to in clutch games, or the guy who is going to lead you to those trophies. If we're looking for that then he definitely isn't the guy.
He is a squad player yea, has to work extra hard.
He can be more that a squad player in the right set-up, I think. More akin to regular but low-profile starter like a Wijnaldum was for Liverpool.
I just don't like the way I think he'd fit in for us.
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Hope we go for Lavia
150m plus Striker isn't it? And then we'd end up with the current Goalkeeper setup...
Don't think, Hargo makes for a great example isn't he? I mean, I thank him a lot for his contributions in the 2007/2008 season but that was it more or less completely wasn't it? I don't remember anything close to him being a crucial part of anything...
My feelings as well. Don't know the prices that are being talked about for this one but I am indifferent about him as a player as well. No question about a tactical flexible player having a great use for a team in general but in our team especially. My issue is, shouldn't we try to bring in players who are skillset-wise as close as possible to the ideal midfield skillset, ETHs system requires? That would be Casemiro-Eriksen-Bruno right now and as soon as one of them is out, we have to adapt our way of playing. All the current bench options are Utility players at best, adding another one for that category seems like a bit of a cop-out.
I have to research his going rates I guess. (Third english player after Kane and Rice. I am getting seriously worried that Woody and Ole still are involved)
It astounds me that the people of the CAF think they know better than the people at Liverpool, Arsenal, United and England.
I very much doubt he’s as shite as you all make out. You all say you’re fed up of these armchair manager football influencers, but you’re all not that much better. It’s the same shite but in text form.
I very much doubt he’s as shite as you all make out. You all say you’re fed up of these armchair manager football influencers, but you’re all not that much better. It’s the same shite but in text form.
I dunno if it was pointed out or not but i'm gonna point out that the way that graphic was compiled makes it completely worthlessI'm not criticising you for not knowing anyone, I'm criticising the argument. I don't personally have access to something like wyscout, or whatever to screen on metrics, but it's not hard to do something like the following:
This graphic was 2022 I believe, but the point is it's fanciful to suggest the profile just doesn't exist and start an argument from that position. I see the same sort of arguments in the Kane thread.
It's like the author doesn't have the faintest idea how the sport works
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