Absolutely not.
Mason Greenwood (Please post respectfully)
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I doubt he's been sat on the couch playing fifa, he'll have been training for sure.
I honestly think he’s one to get rid of. Remember the whole debacle with the national team in Iceland and then he ‘asked to be excluded from selection’. Definitely something weird went on there and Southgate wanted nothing more to do with him.
The audio is damning and the photos she shared were worrying. Dropping the charges could easily be due to him pleading not to have his career destroyed and he’s really sorry. It doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. There’s been no explanation for the audio and photos.
I hope for their sake he grows up and cops the feck on but that needs to be away from United.
The audio is damning and the photos she shared were worrying. Dropping the charges could easily be due to him pleading not to have his career destroyed and he’s really sorry. It doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. There’s been no explanation for the audio and photos.
I hope for their sake he grows up and cops the feck on but that needs to be away from United.
I don't want him back and think he probably did it but there are two sides to every story
I really hope none of the people voting yes have daughters.
I feel sick just thinking about my daughter unknowingly celebrating a goal from this guy.
I feel sick just thinking about my daughter unknowingly celebrating a goal from this guy.
It’s not possible to talk about this subject purely on football. No idea why the OP thought it would be to be honest
He made a mistake, everyone makes mistakes, some are worse than others. He wasn't punished legally, his girlfriend is having his baby and is soon to be his wife.
Let's not let a mistake made by a boy ruin a man's career.
Let's not let a mistake made by a boy ruin a man's career.
You could pick just about any important squad player who isn't a potential wunderkind and the comparison holds.
I hope they are happy, they deserve it after what they’ve been through.
And I hope they build a happy and successful life together.
I hope the club make the right decision so as to not put you and others in that position.
Closer vote than I thought. Wonder what it would look like if it was an anonymous vote
We know why, the alleged victim had a change of heart so any conviction was extremely unlikely.
Greenwood was tried by social media, at the end of the day once you have heard that audio you don’t need much else. Other footballers have probably done similar or worse but recordings weren’t released to the public. That’s the issue for everyone involved, information is in the public domain that never normally would be and it’s impossible to ignore.
Well one was basically a child and a spoiled brat and the other is a full grown man, so they're not comparable IMO. And no I'm not trying to justify Greenwoods actions, although I'd give a kid a second chance before a guy nearing his 30's.
Wow you don't really have to unleash that attack on me, I wasn't even posting anything in favour of Greenwood (I did call him despicable). Sometimes people has to learn how to discuss in civil manner.
I’m going to play devils advocate. There’s plenty of players to choose from that have done some bad shit and still they play. I was fully against him staying but after these last few months. We could really use his talents. Now in saying that. The whole thing is just plain weird. The domestic trouble and now they have a kid? It’s all fecking strange. Hopefully that’s the last time we ever hear anything abusive from MG. People can always change and be better, he’s still very young. Though I believe not many do change, in my experience. Either way, It’s the squads decision and I support whatever they choose.
He can certainly attempt to resume his career, United won’t be holding him back once he is rightfully released.
It's mental how totally fecked in the head so many people are.
Assume another 10% in favor of yes.
Definitely. Or say he was a left winger or a centre back where we are covered. Votes would be completely different.
I hope he never plays a professional game again. Unfortunately I don't expect enough of the world to share that sentiment, so it won't happen.
I agree for the most part, but no way the board will terminate his contract with a pay off. He still has value and European clubs would die for a player like him.
And yes, his attitude and behavior really need to change. Like real remorse. Because he sounded like a real assh* and psycho in the audio tape.
13 pages so far and it hasn't turned into a total circus, good job, moderators and Caf-ites in general.
Conflicted. I voted no, but if the club turned around and said they had a duty to rehabilitate I would accept it. I would imagine he needs a loan abroad no matter what though. Has been out of the game a long time.
Getting closer with every passing minute.
It should have been.
I think every poster that says yes should be forced to say why or get banned. 
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I for one am glad this has been opened up and @mods I commend you for dealing with this.
It’s clearly a hot and divisive topic but one that needs discussing. Although I’d be interested to see the demographics of each voter yes or no.
Im firmly in the NO camp until further evidence is presented.
The wording of the CPS statement to me is consistent and clear with cases where a victim withdrew their support of conviction but didn’t sound to me like the CPS saying case closed.
That in itself plus the audio and other evidence presented gives me no reason to believe that this is ambiguous in terms of what has happened. If it were then surely a statement explaining would have been made clearly refuting what was heard.
There are several facts including the breaking of bail conditions that anyone who is critically analysing this and not being blinded by the fact he is a very talented footballer and someone who has a footballing skill set we are lacking would consider.
Greenwood like everyone deserves a chance to make amends and improve as a person but that doesn’t mean life should also go back 100% to how it was.
So while it would be amazing for all involved for none of this to be happening unfortunately it has and that means NO.
It’s clearly a hot and divisive topic but one that needs discussing. Although I’d be interested to see the demographics of each voter yes or no.
Im firmly in the NO camp until further evidence is presented.
The wording of the CPS statement to me is consistent and clear with cases where a victim withdrew their support of conviction but didn’t sound to me like the CPS saying case closed.
That in itself plus the audio and other evidence presented gives me no reason to believe that this is ambiguous in terms of what has happened. If it were then surely a statement explaining would have been made clearly refuting what was heard.
There are several facts including the breaking of bail conditions that anyone who is critically analysing this and not being blinded by the fact he is a very talented footballer and someone who has a footballing skill set we are lacking would consider.
Greenwood like everyone deserves a chance to make amends and improve as a person but that doesn’t mean life should also go back 100% to how it was.
So while it would be amazing for all involved for none of this to be happening unfortunately it has and that means NO.
He was far from finished article before all this. One year is crucial for player development at young age.
training where? Just being in physical shape means as might well sitting on the sofa for a year. He’s another Ravel, although more talented one, but still when you combine the Cnut attitude and the stature of United is as a Clive he’s absolutely not worth the hassle
Here comes the GestapoI think every poster that says yes should be forced to say why or get banned.
He shouldn't be let back.
But from a purely sporting point of view it stops us needing to buy two strikers if he is.
I'd sell him and buy two strikers but it's up to the club of course
But from a purely sporting point of view it stops us needing to buy two strikers if he is.
I'd sell him and buy two strikers but it's up to the club of course
Nice one son.
Completely agree. Makes me reminded that just because one side is more vocal doesn't mean they are a super majority
It'd be interesting if we could find out truthfully how many said yes after the video/sound.
Many voting no because of what he did, sure have a looser moral compass when it comes to the potential Qatari Royal ownership. Especially when we know which is worse.
Either have a strong ethical view on both or neither.
Either have a strong ethical view on both or neither.
It could be anything but it is possible that it does provide something of an explanation.
Whatever it was, it alongside uncooperative witnesses caused the case to be dropped very suddenly. I'm hesitant to speculate as I have said but I would at least assume the evidence was of some substance, given the original audio.
I'd wager higher.
I have four daughters and two grandchildren. One of my daughters has been abused and raped in a relationship. She took the case to court and won 5 of 7 charges. I was with her in court the whole time. With that said…
The hardest part in this is to forgive, forget and continue to love. To go from furious anger, hate, frustration and somewhere in the end to accept forgiveness. It’s really really hard but without forgiveness the hate is still around the corner and will follow us wherever we go. I don’t want that kind of life. My daughter didn’t want that kind of life. We had to move on with forgiveness and accept.
George Micheal wrote Praying for time. For me it says it all.
And it's hard to love
There's so much to hate
Hanging on to hope
When there is no hope to speak of
And the wounded skies above
Say it's much, too much, too late
Well, maybe we should all be praying for time
Yeah but that's kind of the point, isn't it?
You weigh the pros and cons of each outcome. With a low-value squad player, there's much less upside to keeping them on versus all the inevitable baggage - getting rid is a no-brainer.
There is a huge difference between rape and statutory rape, I'm a lawyer and I've witnessed what both can do. it's not something I deal with often but still enough to know enough about the subject. It has nothing to do with a moral compass, just hard facts.
Murderers and war criminals are given second chances, not sure why MG is being held to a higher standard. He’s not been found guilty and has borne the weight of public judgment. Time to get him in the field where he belongs.
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