We know enough.
I was not asking you
But I can drop the faux-naive Socratic dialogue act, since the poster I actually quoted will never get there even with the most well-intentioned discoursive ste-by-step assistance..
Mason Greenwood | Officially a Marseille player
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But I can drop the faux-naive Socratic dialogue act, since the poster I actually quoted will never get there even with the most well-intentioned discoursive ste-by-step assistance..
You’re incorrect there
Who told you that a women falsely accused him of anything?
You are the one making up creepy stuff mate. I’m not making anything up.
Benjamin Mendy did not lose out on a potential move to Real Madrid. What on earth are you talking about?
He averaged 1400 minutes a season at City before the accusations, he's a fecking shit permacrock.
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What?
It is crazy. The attempted rape mistake. So easy to just accidently try and rape someone.
I've not seen anyone saying it's "solely" down to that, but fair enough if you have.
I was not asking you
You clearly don't understand how forums work. If you want a private conversation, you have that option.
Care to correct me so I learn?
So, let me get this straight: Despite having no evidence, you're more than happy to declare Mendy's accusers liars, and by extension criminals and call for them to be punished. Meanwhile, despite having evidence, you believe Greenwood to be innocent and are very against anyone saying otherwise because "justice" and "rule of law".
There's being full of shit, and then there's whatever you are.
I just can't see who takes him off our hands, it's surely likely to be a pay out of his contract for us.
No doubt we'll be expected to make a donation of his behalf on top of that aswell, whilst still getting bashed by the media,
No doubt we'll be expected to make a donation of his behalf on top of that aswell, whilst still getting bashed by the media,
This is precisely why you don't base your policy making on social media nonsense these corporations never learn, you see it all the time when they apologise it just makes it worse because those looking to be offended cannot be satisfied.
Better to not even try to play that game, hunker down and wait for the outrage machine to move on to its next target.
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"innocent" is not one of the possible verdicts that a jury may return. He was found "not guilty."
Tbh I don’t want to judge them. That’s the duty of the judge and the jury in the court of law.
Nobody was in the room, hence - as a society - we (are supposed to) defer to the outcome of our justice system in such matters. After all, is the whole purpose of this system not to expertly assess all the available evidence to form the soundest possible judgement on behalf of our society?
Regarding this so-called "sleepy" excuse you can keep harking back to, you know full well this just a throwaway example of an example which neither supports nor undermines any of my actual points. Therefore, I'm unsure why you expect me to spend hours trudging back through 97 pages of posts, just so I can prove you wrong on such an inconsequential point.
Yeah seems like nobody wants him which is unsurprising.
Doing a strikethrough isn't correcting your "mistake". Why are you saying that the women ruined his career, and why are you saying that he should take them to trial, unless you think they lied?
You don't believe in the things you claim to believe in. It's extremely obvious.
I don't think anyone in England would touch him after the media backlash we've seen. He'll have to go to a club in Italy, Turkey, Spain or something - probably a upper mid or mid-table club.
Italy seems the most likely to me.
No one seems to understand that United are in a no-win situation.
Incase you didn't notice, I have already acknowledged and corrected my mistake. It should read as “The women who accused him of rape and sexual assault”
Remember you don’t win an argument/debate by being angry and offensive. Also remember you are not innocent just by being a woman and you are not an abuser just by being a man.
I'm sure I read there were 10 plus teams asking about him, but it just seems so unlilkely given the backlash that any half decent team sniffing around him would get, and so it's surely more hassle than it's worth given what he'll cost them right now.
He is going to cost us another £7 million, then he is going to need to take a heck of a step down and a big pay cut to find his next club imo.
I’ve not made anything creepy up, stop being manipulative. Nobody (on here) knows what happened, we are all making it up. And I’m not your “mate”.
If you actually followed the details of that case you would know that whilst he has been found not guilty there was a great deal about those situations that was very unpleasant. That is not to say that the verdict was incorrect but the details of what these women experienced and what Mendy admitted to is not in dispute so your assertion that they lied or made false accusations is based on your own feelings and not the facts.
All whilst refusing to answer what should happen to the woman who accused Greenwood.
This guy is dishonest at best.
So it's only the courts that decide punishments for discretions? I wonder why, say when you get sacked for misconduct, it doesn't go through a court. Hmmmm.
And this wasn't deferred to a court either, after the accused broke bail of course, so there are levels.
Because it was an embarrassingly awful excuse, and only you came up with it. That's the point, some people who are defending Greenwood are the ones coming up with all sorts of absolute ridiculous takes to explain that audio recording.
You can't then go on to act so reasonable after such a ridiculous idea. Unless, of course, you want to discuss anything with the guy who blamed Simon Cowell
But you DID judge them. You said they should be sued by him for accusing him.
So, what about the woman who accused Greenwood, same punishment correct?
I admit I was wrong to say they “falsely” accused him of rape and I keenly followed that case and I know he aint saint. But, it is always heartwarming to see justice being served. Imagine how many common people are incarcerated or had their lives/reputation destroyed because they couldn't afford the best lawyers out there or there was just not enough investigation done in the first place, people today just want to see someone held accountable as that satiates their blood thirst, they forget without justice, blood thirst is just being a savage animal and not being a human being. I sincerely hope the Mendy case sets a precedent to investigate cases like these more thoroughly be it someone famous or an ordinary citizen - no matter their gender.
He is not a saint, but the question is: Are you ready to cheer someone whom you heard saying the following?
“I don’t give a feck what you want … I’m going to feck you, you twat … I don’t care if you want to have sex with me … Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you.”
Honestly people are just so desensitized to this transcript now. They've been told he's innocent by the club and are all clamouring to let us know we don't know the full facts and can't possibly make a moral judgement.
Not once have I seen anyone put forward a rational explanation for that transcript that isn't just plain old sexual abuse and threats of physical violence.
Not one, I would be really really keen to hear them, like using your imagination and even getting wild with it, create a fictional scenario where there is context to those words that makes them okay.
And that completely doesn't even engage with the photos. Are they doctored? Did she hit herself? Where they hitting each other, what do you actually think about them?
Well...there is the guy who said "Greenwood being pestered whilst sleepy and unaware of what he/she were actually saying"...Also, plenty are running with the roleplay excuse.
Not a single person has explained why she then made a video statement to the police about it though.
Oi, leave our resident social justice warrior alone! You know the guy who's part of the mob who wants their way, who hates other mobs who apparently got their way.
You misunderstand me, but never mind. You have a heavy workload in this thread, I do not want to add to it.
Weird phrasing. Even if "justice was served", there was nothing heartwarming about the case. Even if Mendy isn't a rapist, he's still an incredibly skeevy person with appalling views on women.
As for the second bolded part: Do you think the problem is that these cases aren't investigated enough, and that it's the accused who primarily suffer because of it?
Still, I am curious if there are people who want to cheer this footballer, after hearing this recording.
He's just woken up, but It was roleplay, but then she wanted his money and trapped him then went to the police, but then they got back together so she withdrew and despite the above they both want to be with one another, Mason being willing to literally give up his United career rather than set the record straight or embarrass his partner who has been publicly the face of all of this entire awful and horrific and embarrassing situation anyway.
Yep, all makes sense, move along.
I'm a dumbarse, completely missed the line you were taking whilst trying to deal. I swear I'm usually sharper!
Yeah, it's time I took a break trying to talk sense to these people, it's scrambling my brain and there's no outcome worth it.
Yeah, never mind the incredibly more common true cases.
You can always talk to that glasgow bloke who blamed Simon Cowell if you want a seriously out of the box excuse!
I know Crafton has become a hated figure for many but if you listen to the latest Athletic podcast, it's a balanced conversation with Crafton and someone from Women's Aid. They certainly believe mistakes were made but acknowledge it was a tricky process and in some sense United tried to go about things in the right way.
Worth a listen for those on any side of the fence.
Worth a listen for those on any side of the fence.
The clubs official statement revealed Mason didn’t cause the offences. We don’t know in what context did he say these words in the audio tape. The audio can have an alternative explanation for it. This could very well be some BDSM roleplay that’s been cut to portray rape. There’s a reason BDSM is supposed to stay private and anyone in the BDSM community will tell you its easy to portray abuse if it’s taken out of context.
So a man is not prosecuted. The evidence against him is never made public. His employer says he has not committed an offence. Yet he is pilloried. People actually convicted of offences are treated better.
Seems totally legit.
(I mean, yeah, he totally seems like the type of person who would do that.)
You are certainly not my mate, that was sarcastic.
You should realize that making excuses for domestic abusive behaviour/sexual abusive behaviour make you look creepy.
There is no doubt that MG’s behaviour was abusive, although he may not be guilty of a crime. Unless you choose to look the other way and make up implausible excuses for him.
I would have been ok with whatever decision the club came up with, but don’t understand the people criticizing the decision to let him go.
It is the club’s decision and we should all move on. Instead of making shit up and going in circles.
Literally everything I know about him definitely suggest so yes, definitely.
So you think it was BDSM possibly, okay!
1) why did she go to the police then? What was her motive?
2) why wouldn't he/she be okay with saying that if the alternative is everyone thinks you are sexually/physically abusive and you have to leave United?
Does either of those things tally really, even at all for you?
Like MG is more willing in your mind to be known as an abuser, miss 2 years of football, leave United and struggle to play in the PL and possibly even Saudi, than to suffer the embarrassment of telling everyone it was BDSM? He, his partner, his family, all on board with that decision?
You still did not answer a very simple question. Are you ready to cheer for Mason Greenwood? Yes or no? Are you ready to cheer for a footballer after hearing him say this, in his own voice?
“I don’t give a feck what you want … I’m going to feck you, you twat … I don’t care if you want to have sex with me … Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you.”
It is a very simple question. Do you answer Yes or do you answer No? Are you ready to cheer for this person?
"I'm not your mate!"
Such a drunken chav in a pub line
Such a drunken chav in a pub line
Especially when you are a footballer and rich and can basically pick ladies normal people couldn’t dream of.
How embarrassing.
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