Wow, nobody had said that before, great insight.
Mason Greenwood | Officially a Marseille player
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it's like whack-a-mole with the same tired and fallacious arguments trying to justify bringing him back.Likely not very many, especially when you consider a vast majority of the global followers are in Asia, Africa , and beyond.
So you don't know what virtue signaling is, then?
He's not been charged so he can't be prevented from playing football again and, in doing so, having a new generation of supporters looking up to him. I would rather never see him play again myself, even if it meant us forgoing a fee, but the situation is what it is.
It also has absolutely nothing to do with what's gone before, particularly as most, if not all, the posters condemning his behavior would have done exactly the same with previous players that have behaved badly (most of whom weren't suspected rapists and partner beaters, mind). But your logic seems to be 'well, we've had other wrong uns play for us before so we may as well allow him back', which is completely ridiculous.
Looks like you’re the only staff member for him coming back @Raoul
Hopefully not... great, working his way back to us then?
Devastating.
Give it a few years and he'll be back doing something football related, there's a pattern to these things.
I'm ok with whatever decision the club makes. At the end of the day it will either be yes or no and we will move on.
You could easily say he's had plenty of 'second chances' already. I'm sure it was reported that there were issues with him in the youth setup, after that he had problems with turning up late, his idiotic behaviour on England duty could have got the whole squad deported from Iceland, also broke lockdown rules at home, he broke his bail conditions numerous times and so on.
He's had his chances here and only has himself to blame for that.
He's had his chances here and only has himself to blame for that.
Between the sale of him, sancho and Hannibal, we should be able to purchase a new winger.
I certainly would and I know others who feel the same way.
We already have a glut of wingers/wide players, so its doubtful we will be buying another imo. Antony, Pellistri, and Amad are also in the mix for next year.
It's having standards, not virtue signalling. He's a fecking scrote.
And we've been round and round with the bullshit about her taking him back. Read back and educate yourself.
Pellistri will leave as well, likely amad as well given how this season has gone.
If we had any balls, amad would stay and Antony would leave. In any case we simply must add a winger (or 2), sticking with the ones we have will guarantee continued failure.
So your view is that spare Garnacho, we are going to get rid of most or all of our wide players this summer is it ?
There's an approximately zero percent chance of that happening, even if we change managers. Because Sancho is on massive wages, he is likely to return under a new manager. Amad has shown a lot of promise in his few appearances. Not all of our wide players have to be consistent starters (see what Arteta has done with Trossard, Martinelli, and Saka lately). Ideally it will be a meritocracy where whoever is healthy and in form gets the most minutes.
It has everything to do with whats gone before, people were, on the whole if not forgiven, then at least allowed to carry on their lives, at the club for some, or in another association with United.... even in one or two cases where no real contrition was evident... and they did not seek to make things right!
Would they? How many would give up their season tickets, stop supporting the club, 'condemning his behaviour'.... my foot!
Weren't suspected of raping/partner beating....Really...you do know your United history then do you?
In your eyes, yes... according to how you would judge people only suspected of things ...
(by the way you are not on the bench are you?)
This is one of the worst incidents of alleged player criminal wrongdoing I can recall from a united player. And no, just because others have gotten away with shitty behavior in the past it doesn't mean that should be the status quo going forward. It's really not that difficult to understand.
As for 'how many will give up season tickets' I'm hoping we won't have to find out because he won't be coming back, but crack on with being outraged about reactions that haven't yet happened if that helps you to justify your opinion.
'Weren't suspected of raping/partner beating....Really...you do know your United history then do you?'
Funny how you chose not to quote the bit just before that where I said 'most of whom weren't...'. I'm very aware of some of the inexcusable behaviour of past players but again, them getting away with shitty behavior in the past doesn't mean all people that do similar things get a clean slate going forward. Why would it?
As for your last paragraph, it's yet again falling back on the fact that he wasn't tried for the crime, for reasons which have been explored as nauseam but which posters like you insist on disregarding .
The egregious use of bold, italics and idioms remain the main issues though.
I'm in that camp
Quite agree with you on this.
I said that at the time and made myself highly unpopular (like I care).
What he did was stupid.
But who hasn't done something stupid, especially at his age.
So many people are 'holier than thou'.
Come on man...
No it wasn't. Did you not read what he said?
Such a disgraceful way to label the recording/transcript, all to downplay the truly abhorrent content so you can get a good player back.
What wasn't? Yes I did read it, did you?
Horse shit
likewise, already hugely apathetic due to the episode and Uniteds response. Think I’ll feel that way until we see a squad/staff rebuild which is hopefully well underway.
Someone else who has never done something really stupid.
And someone else who believes that no one deserves a second chance.
Come on man....
Agreed. It's pure obfuscation at this pointIt wouldn't be more than 1-3% out of the global fan base of many hundred millions.
Minimizing what he did as 'really stupid' is disgraceful. Be better.
I did lots of stupid things. Still do.
I never threatened to rape anyone or caused or anything similar. That's not really within my definition of stupid.
I don't think it would cause too many to walk away.
The concern is more the noise of those who stay.
People in here really acting like he forgot to defrost a chicken or something.
You may have read it but clearly didn't understand it then.
He's getting a second chance though?
What you are asking for is no consequences which is different and is fairly outrageous.
Rape is not something stupid it is rape. Sincerely hope you are never allowed to be alone in a room with a woman with that attitude.
1-3% of hundreds of million is not "not very many".
he’s not the first united player to forget to lock the shed.
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