Mason Greenwood | Officially a Marseille player

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tombombadil said:
The situation with Mason is really heartbreaking. Wish things turned out better. Really could have used him on that right flank.

So basically he threatened his gf with rape. That is a heinous thing to do. Now the gf has dropped charges and forgiven him. Has he done anything else aside from that?
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You mean apart from breaking his bail conditions to contact and impregnate his victim and coerce her into withdrawing from the criminal case against him?

He's not admitted guilt and served a punishment, if that's what you're asking. He's also not provided any adequate explanation why his girlfriend would feel the need to audio record their sexual encounters that isn't "he's raped me before so this time I want evidence".
 
I wonder how many of the man united ladies team would pose for a photo with Mike Tyson and Connor McGregor :nervous:
 
tombombadil said:
The situation with Mason is really heartbreaking. Wish things turned out better. Really could have used him on that right flank.

So basically he threatened his gf with rape. That is a heinous thing to do. Now the gf has dropped charges and forgiven him. Has he done anything else aside from that?
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Yes the poor misunderstood flower, boys will be boys eh?

No, that's all he's done. Not sure why people are making such a fuss really?
 
Dion said:
You mean apart from breaking his bail conditions to contact and impregnate his victim and coerce her into withdrawing from the criminal case against him?

He's not admitted guilt and served a punishment, if that's what you're asking. He's also not provided any adequate explanation why his girlfriend would feel the need to audio record their sexual encounters that isn't "he's raped me before so this time I want evidence".
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Is any of that substantiated? Do we have any evidence?

iHicksy said:
Yes the poor misunderstood flower, boys will be boys eh?

No, that's all he's done. Not sure why people are making such a fuss really?
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I meant heartbreaking for us. We really needed him on the right flank.

Thank you for your immense contribution to the conversation.
 
tombombadil said:
Is any of that substantiated? Do we have any evidence?


I meant heartbreaking for us. We really needed him on the right flank.

Thank you for your immense contribution to the conversation.
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Hilarious when you're using terms like heartbreaking for us - I personally don't want rapists and abusers playing for us. It's a dodged bullet, but you seem desperate to excuse him because "oh poor us not getting to see him play for us". Like the other poster said, get some perspective, it's a football club.
 
tombombadil said:
Is any of that substantiated? Do we have any evidence?
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What, do we have any evidence that he broke his bail conditions?

You mean apart from the fact he was arrested for it, his solicitor admitted it had been going on for months and the judge questioned the GMP on why they were deliberately ignoring bail breaches which allowed him to contact the victim.

At Greenwood's first court appearance it was revealed that he breached his bail by contacting the alleged victim in the case. Prosecutor Rebecca Macaulay-Addison told the magistrates court hearing in October: “He was arrested on Saturday morning for breaching his police conditional bail. He was found in the company of the complainant.”

Greenwood’s lawyer, David Toal, admitted the breach had taken place, saying: “I absolutely concede it is his responsibility to abide by all bail conditions imposed.” He also added: “Contact has occurred for many months" but maintained it was “no secret” to Greater Manchester Police.

District Judge Mark Hadfield responded by saying: “What I am being told is the defendant flagrantly breached the conditions over weeks or even months and police haven’t done anything about it.”

He underlined his point by adding: “If they suspected breaches of bail, the police should be doing something about it but haven’t – why not? What’s the point of someone being on bail conditions if the police don’t enforce them?”

Realistically, if GMP had done their job there's a very good chance Mason Greenwood would be in jail now and his partner wouldn't be in a relationship with her abuser.
 
Personally for me, I dont really regard football or my club as a reflection of me, my personality or my ideologies.

I regard football ultimately as a sport and sport being an Entertainment. Manchester United is just the club I enjoy which provides me that Entertainment.

On a purely footballing level, I'd be lying to alot if i pretended that Greenwood doesn't provide me an excitement or an entertaintment.

Greenwood, Martial & Rashford arguably took us to the top 2 with a very below average midfield & some would argue a below average defense. That has changed now whilst we have added in youngsters like Garnacho, Mainoo, Hojlund, Amad and more around the corner. To me that's an attack that would scare the whole of the world whilst also putting players like Rashford on the bench if he doesn't perform or give enough of a work rate because we simply would have the quality as an attacking outlet in this club.

Cantona abused a complete randomer by kicking someone on the chest and is still regarded as one of the most important players of the club and is talked about highly like he never did anything wrong. It's literally there on youtube for anyone to see it but many people dont talk about Cantona in a bad way for his actions. Even players like C Ronaldo is regarded as complete legend of the sport, never mind the club whilst arguably accused of doing the same bad things that Greenwood's done probably at a time when Social Media wasnt as present as it is today to a complete randomer of the opposite sex, never mind their own partner.

To me, I'm in no position to judge a person because simply I am not a God and neither am I a lawyer to judge someone's actions and their outcomes. If he has been forgiven for his mistakes by his partner, his partners family and has also left the criminal case with a clean hand all except for a dirty recording - then i'm not ashamed to say that I want Greenwood back because of the enjoyment he would give me as a footballer.
 
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Obi Wan said:
Personally for me, I dont really regard football or my club as a reflection of me, my personality or my ideologies.

I regard football ultimately as a sport and sport being an Entertainment. Manchester United is just the club I enjoy which provides me that Entertainment.

On a purely footballing level, I'd be lying to alot if i pretended that Greenwood doesn't provide me an excitement or an entertaintment.

Greenwood, Martial & Rashford arguably took us to the top 2 with a very below average midfield & some would argue a below average defense. That has changed now whilst we have added in youngsters like Garnacho, Mainoo, Hojlund, Amad and more around the corner. To me that's an attack that would scare the whole of the world whilst also putting players like Rashford on the bench if he doesn't perform or give enough of a work rate because we simply would have the quality as an attacking outlet in this club.

Cantona abused a complete randomer by kicking someone on the chest and is still regarded as one of the most important players of the club and is talked about highly like he never did anything wrong. It's literally there on youtube for anyone to see it but many people dont talk about Cantona in a bad way for his actions. Even players like C Ronaldo is regarded as complete legend of the sport, never mind the club whilst arguably accused of doing the same bad things that Greenwood's done probably at a time when Social Media wasnt as present as it is today.

To me, I'm in no position to judge a person because simply I am not a God and neither am I a lawyer to judge someone's actions and their outcomes. If he has been forgiven for his mistakes by his partner, his partners family and has also left the criminal case with a clean hand all except for a dirty recording - then i'm not ashamed to say that I want Greenwood back because of the enjoyment he would give me as a footballer.
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Another Greenwood nonsense bingo full house!
 
Lash said:
Get a bit of perspective.
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Sure. Will try. Thank you

iHicksy said:
Hilarious when you're using terms like heartbreaking for us - I personally don't want rapists and abusers playing for us. It's a dodged bullet, but you seem desperate to excuse him because "oh poor us not getting to see him play for us". Like the other poster said, get some perspective, it's a football club.
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Well, it seems he has done some heinous acts. So he needs to own up for it. Gotta agree with that. Though I was hoping to at least know in detail what they are.

Dion said:
What, do we have any evidence that he broke his bail conditions?

You mean apart from the fact he was arrested for it, his solicitor admitted it had been going on for months and the judge questioned the GMP on why they were deliberately ignoring bail breaches which allowed him to contact the victim.

At Greenwood's first court appearance it was revealed that he breached his bail by contacting the alleged victim in the case. Prosecutor Rebecca Macaulay-Addison told the magistrates court hearing in October: “He was arrested on Saturday morning for breaching his police conditional bail. He was found in the company of the complainant.”

Greenwood’s lawyer, David Toal, admitted the breach had taken place, saying: “I absolutely concede it is his responsibility to abide by all bail conditions imposed.” He also added: “Contact has occurred for many months" but maintained it was “no secret” to Greater Manchester Police.

District Judge Mark Hadfield responded by saying: “What I am being told is the defendant flagrantly breached the conditions over weeks or even months and police haven’t done anything about it.”

He underlined his point by adding: “If they suspected breaches of bail, the police should be doing something about it but haven’t – why not? What’s the point of someone being on bail conditions if the police don’t enforce them?”

Realistically, if GMP had done their job there's a very good chance Mason Greenwood would be in jail now and his partner wouldn't be in a relationship with her abuser.
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Ok, so he has broken bail repeatedly. That's really bad. What about all the other parts you mentioned?
 
Andy_Cole said:
Anyone else want to see him back just to sit back and watch the media/ redcafe meltdown?
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The day of the announcement either way is going to be a pain in the arse to mod, that's for sure.
 
tombombadil said:
The situation with Mason is really heartbreaking. Wish things turned out better. Really could have used him on that right flank.

So basically he threatened his gf with rape. That is a heinous thing to do. Now the gf has dropped charges and forgiven him. Has he done anything else aside from that?
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Not enough for you?
 
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tombombadil said:
Ok, so he has broken bail repeatedly. That's really bad. What about all the other parts you mentioned?
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Which other parts are those? The impregnation? Well the baby might not be his but... he seems to think it is.

Or the lack of admission of guilt? Well it's impossible to prove a negative, but if you take even a cursory glance you'll see it's true. As for the explanation of why his girlfriend was recording, again, have a look, he hasn't.
 
Obi Wan said:
To me, I'm in no position to judge a person because simply I am not a God and neither am I a lawyer to judge someone's actions and their outcomes. If he has been forgiven for his mistakes by his partner, his partners family and has also left the criminal case with a clean hand all except for a dirty recording - then i'm not ashamed to say that I want Greenwood back because of the enjoyment he would give me as a footballer.
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Do you have to be a god to consider someone's behaviour to be abhorrent? Or a lawyer to understand that what was said in a very publicly available recording was extremely wrong?

Cantona is just another false equivalency in a sea of them in this thread. Should he have booted a guy in the chest? Probably not - but let's not be pointing at other incidents and saying 'well what about this?!' when they're not comparable or applicable here. It's at best disingenuous, and at worst a pretty thinly veiled attempt to excuse something terrible because we've had other players who did a bad thing once too.
 
Pickle85 said:
Another Greenwood nonsense bingo full house!
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No problem! Everyone's entitled to their own opinions -

I just honestly think that some people feel like they are better people of the higher caste for not wanting Greenwood 'the scum' back because it actually makes them feel like better people with the higher mindset or you know the more 'pure people' - the people who would kill all the thieves of the world so that only angels in this world are left type of mindset because i guess some people can only see the world through their eyes and not through the eyes of others.

Again, his partner has forgiven him, so has the partners family and arguably the law itself has 'forgiven him' - but ultimately some fans just cant do it. It's just too hard, because once someone turns dirty - they are just not good enough for the people with this ultimate 'purity'.

Anyway, let me know what you think about Cantona Kicking a total randomer and going to court for abusing this man.

Then look at how SAF speaks of this abuser in 1997 on youtube. Crazy stuff that he is talked so highly, even as a massiah on another interview by someone as high as SAF.

If SAF can look at an abuser so highly at this football club then I think maybe I can give another one a chance too if they have managed to come out clean through law and justice.
 
Obi Wan said:
No problem! Everyone's entitled to their own opinions -

I just honestly think that some people feel like they are better people of the higher caste for not wanting Greenwood 'the scum' back because it actually makes them feel like better people with the higher mindset or you know the more 'pure people' - the people who would kill all the thieves of the world so that only angels in this world are left type of mindset because i guess some people can only see the world through their eyes and not through the eyes of others.

Again, his partner has forgiven him, so has the partners family and arguably the law itself has 'forgiven him' - but ultimately some fans just cant do it. It's just too hard, because once someone turns dirty - they are just not good enough for the people with this ultimate 'purity'.

Anyway, let me know what you think about Cantona Kicking a total randomer and going to court for abusing this man.

Then look at how SAF speaks of this abuser in 1997 on youtube. Crazy stuff that he is talked so highly, even as a massiah on another interview by someone as high as SAF.

If SAF can look at an abuser so highly at this football club then I think maybe I can give another one a chance too if they have managed to come out clean through law and justice.
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Ah yes, Cantona and Greenwood, two peas in the same pod.

What evidence do you have that Greenwood has been "forgiven" by his partner? How do we know the abuse isn't ongoing?
 
Obi Wan said:
No problem! Everyone's entitled to their own opinions -

I just honestly think that some people feel like they are better people of the higher caste for not wanting Greenwood 'the scum' back because it actually makes them feel like better people with the higher mindset or you know the more 'pure people' - the people who would kill all the thieves of the world so that only angels in this world are left type of mindset because i guess some people can only see the world through their eyes and not through the eyes of others.

Again, his partner has forgiven him, so has the partners family and arguably the law itself has 'forgiven him' - but ultimately some fans just cant do it. It's just too hard, because once someone turns dirty - they are just not good enough for the people with this ultimate 'purity'.

Anyway, let me know what you think about Cantona Kicking a total randomer and going to court for abusing this man.

Then look at how SAF speaks of this abuser in 1997 on youtube. Crazy stuff that he is talked so highly, even as a massiah on another interview by someone as high as SAF.

If SAF can look at an abuser so highly at this football club then I think maybe I can give another one a chance too if they have managed to come out clean through law and justice.
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No one in this thread has claimed to be of a higher mindset, or have ultimate purity. Those are your words and they're hyperbolic nonsense. You don't need to be a flawless person to look at attempted rape, sexual violence, controlling and coercive behaviour and not want any association with the person in question.
 
Obi Wan said:
No problem! Everyone's entitled to their own opinions -

I just honestly think that some people feel like they are better people of the higher caste for not wanting Greenwood 'the scum' back because it actually makes them feel like better people with the higher mindset or you know the more 'pure people' - the people who would kill all the thieves of the world so that only angels in this world are left type of mindset because i guess some people can only see the world through their eyes and not through the eyes of others.

Again, his partner has forgiven him, so has the partners family and arguably the law itself has 'forgiven him' - but ultimately some fans just cant do it. It's just too hard, because once someone turns dirty - they are just not good enough for the people with this ultimate 'purity'.

Anyway, let me know what you think about Cantona Kicking a total randomer and going to court for abusing this man.

Then look at how SAF speaks of this abuser in 1997 on youtube. Crazy stuff that he is talked so highly, even as a massiah on another interview by someone as high as SAF.

If SAF can look at an abuser so highly at this football club then I think maybe I can give another one a chance too if they have managed to come out clean through law and justice.
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By arguably, you mean "this is nonsense but I'm going to say it anyway".
 
All you in here with your opinions. Once he smashes in a few screamers v city, dippers anyone really he will be welcomed back. It has been said many times if the gf has forgiven and her family and they've had kid right? Why we just accept Mason the RW back. We adored RVP and Ronaldo. We all love Mike Tyson.
 
Dani Alves might be out on bail soon, maybe the Greenwood apologist cult might want us to sign him too?
 
Red_Manc_M15 said:
All you in here with your opinions. Once he smashes in a few screamers v city, dippers anyone really he will be welcomed back. It has been said many times if the gf has forgiven and her family and they've had kid right? Why we just accept Mason the RW back. We adored RVP and Ronaldo. We all love Mike Tyson.
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:lol:
 
Red_Manc_M15 said:
All you in here with your opinions. Once he smashes in a few screamers v city, dippers anyone really he will be welcomed back. It has been said many times if the gf has forgiven and her family and they've had kid right? Why we just accept Mason the RW back. We adored RVP and Ronaldo. We all love Mike Tyson.
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Oh ffs, yet another one :rolleyes: You clearly know nothing when it comes to DV if you think the partner being back with him means anything, as has been stated numerous times in this thread, but yet here we are again with someone spouting this nonsense.
 
Slops said:
Do you have to be a god to consider someone's behaviour to be abhorrent? Or a lawyer to understand that what was said in a very publicly available recording was extremely wrong?

Cantona is just another false equivalency in a sea of them in this thread. Should he have booted a guy in the chest? Probably not - but let's not be pointing at other incidents and saying 'well what about this?!' when they're not comparable or applicable here. It's at best disingenuous, and at worst a pretty thinly veiled attempt to excuse something terrible because we've had other players who did a bad thing once too.
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You have to be a god to know the full story because a God will not know half or even quarter of the story. He will know it all and judge that person and outcome depending on their actions, reason for their actions and also the thoughts of the victim. Otherwise your just a human being whose heard a quarter of the story and has made the result in your head.

This has been written on the news:

The case was dropped Feb 2023 after the victim dropped the allegation and there was new evidence.

Now I say I dont know this evidence because I am not a god or neither a lawyer - so i am not in the mindset to judge a persons actions or outcomes because I dont know the full story and I know only quarter of it.

For you, that quarter of evidence is perfectly fine because now he is completely dirty and not good enough for a pure person like you.

Anyway, I should stop posting here as i am a newbie and dont want to ruin my friendship over something like this. :)
 
Obi Wan said:
For you, that quarter of evidence is perfectly fine because now he is completely dirty and not good enough for a pure person like you.
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:lol: again, no one is claiming to be a pure person in this thread, and someone's 'purity' isn't really relevant, but keep banging that drum if you must, I guess.
 
Obi Wan said:
You have to be a god to know the full story because a God will not know half or even quarter of the story. He will know it all and judge that person and outcome depending on their actions, reason for their actions and also the thoughts of the victim. Otherwise your just a human being whose heard a quarter of the story and has made the result in your head.

This has been written on the news:

The case was dropped Feb 2023 after the victim dropped the allegation and there was new evidence.

Now I say I dont know this evidence because I am not a god or neither a lawyer - so i am not in the mindset to judge a persons actions or outcomes because I dont know the full story and I know only quarter of it.

For you, that quarter of evidence is perfectly fine because now he is completely dirty and not good enough for a pure person like you.

Anyway, I should stop posting here as i am a newbie and dont want to ruin my friendship over something like this. :)
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Good idea.
 
Obi Wan said:
The case was dropped Feb 2023 after the victim dropped the allegation and there was new evidence.
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Do you think this new evidence has anything to do with the withdrawal of the victim as a witness, which coincidentally occurred after Greenwood broke his bail conditions repeatedly to contact her?
 
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