Mason Greenwood | Officially a Marseille player

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Pscholes18 said:
Listening to the Talk of the Devils pod this past week, Whitwell said he was told awhile back if Utd asked GW to come back, he would choose not to, because of the way he was treated after the incident came to light. If it's true, the arrogance that he exhibited before the ordeal is still there, and he certainly feels that he did nothing wrong or he is owed something.
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To be fair the club literally had decided to take him back and then U-turned. I’m sure privately they had told him all would be well also.

On that narrow ground he does have a right to be annoyed I think.

Though in the wider context of his life and actions it is still an extremely poor look and as you say, likely points to the same personality issues that were obvious even before this horrid episode.
 
norm87cro said:
Its actually very simple. Either he's 100% guilty and he should not step in the club or he is 100% innocent but for him IMO there is no middle ground. He should not be subjected to controversies if he was to return thats for sure.
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Didn't she post photographs of herself with a bloody nose and/or a split lip? Presumably she didn't do it to herself so let's face it, he's not "100% innocent" regardless of whether charges were dropped or not.

Great men f*cking died for this club and we're thinking of taking this...individual back? That's how we honour their memory? I really don't care how good he is. If he was shit, this wouldn't even be a consideration.
 
Tarrou said:
I agree with you, and for a healthy society there has to be a path for forgiveness. I’m not sure how he would expect the fans to forgive him without even commenting on what he did so he can begin that process, but that’s another topic. And I understand he has likely received advice to keep quiet.

Fact is you are exposed to a different set of expectations once you become a Manchester United player, well any pro footballer to an extent but with bigger clubs the brand value is so big the companies simply can’t tolerate certain behaviours without it causing problems by just keeping them on the payroll.

His redemption ark simply lies elsewhere for all kinds of reasons. Some of those reasons might be unfair, but that’s life.. what he did to his partner was a thousand times more unfair than what he has to endure as the consequences of those actions IMO

Aside from all the issues surrounding Mason returning to a United shirt, it’s surely not going to be a nice experience for his partner to be put under that spotlight again, with all the media focus being on him and their relationship, not to mention all the chants in the grounds, tweets from morons etc… it will be relentless
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I think that is a very good post.
 
Oscar Bonavena said:
Great men f*cking died for this club and we're thinking of taking this...individual back? That's how we honour their memory? I really don't care how good he is
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My sentiments exactly. People will be rolling in their graves at how low we've fallen.
 
Interesting that Jimmy boy has left the door ajar for his return. Still think he'll be sold to the highest bidder, but you never know.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
What's your point? Rashford is playing like he is just back from 2 years off?
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My point is that people are begging for a man to come back that, in addition to all these well-documented problems, has only scored 5 times.

Perhaps it's because he's hardly played but that's his own fault.

Is he worth all this aggro?
 
MancunianAngels said:
My point is that people are begging for a man to come back that, in addition to all these well-documented problems, has only scored 5 times.

Perhaps it's because he's hardly played but that's his own fault.

Is he worth all this aggro?
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He's played roughly 2 games less than Rashford if you look at minutes, being out for 2 years is unprecedented and I'd assume it would take a whole season to get back into flow, coupled with the fact he moved to a new team & country, is 4 years younger and plays for a team that's far less dominant with worse players.

I don't think bringing him back will be a viable solution because of the backlash quite simply but Greenwood is a far superior player in my eyes but it's irrelevant really.
 
Raoul said:
Its a harbinger of what he would face if he returns to England, where the vitriol would at least initially, be much worse.
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Personally I wouldn't be that bothered about what reaction opposition fans give - there will always be anti United songs, boos etc

it's only the feelings of our own fans that should matter to those making a decision on his return
 
Raoul said:
Its a harbinger of what he would face if he returns to England, where the vitriol would at least initially, be much worse.
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golden_blunder said:
Really? You can’t seen a connection
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I can yes, he's getting whistled for what took place. Nothing too surprising that it's happening when he goes to an away ground. I just found it interesting it was mentioned considring Barcelona has been linked with him since his moved to Spain.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Fecking ell man :lol:

Did you actually type this and think you were making a good point? We don’t want half decent players like McTominay at our club, no shit we don’t want shit ones, even if they were Mother fecking Therese.
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My point being I don't care how good Greenwood is, he doesn't belong at this club. He's already dragged the club's name through the mud enough as it is.
 
Jim making it sound like we're considering bringing him back into the squad is the right move in terms of sell on value. I'm not saying that's what he's doing, but making it clear to the world he's got no chance of staying will only push his value down even further.

Hopefully we take what we can get for him and move on.
 
The booing and so on would be the easy things he would have to handle - just think about media, social media, debates it would great, all negative PR for both us an club and for him as an individual - but unfortunate even the news finds always something new to focus - the next horror is always just around the corner. So yes his first, maybe second also second would be a lot of booing, the media would get tired of getting only "no comments" as for an answer and if he plays as his best, 95% would forget about all negative about it - as a lot did with Ronaldo.

I still think that we should swap him for a player like Rafael Leon+50m euros.
 
My feeling is INEOS will try to integrate him back. From their point of view it'll save them a shit load of money for the RW.

However the other side is if we sell him for 30 to 40m, that will all go to this summers ffp calculation.
 
Rood said:
Personally I wouldn't be that bothered about what reaction opposition fans give - there will always be anti United songs, boos etc

it's only the feelings of our own fans that should matter to those making a decision on his return
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If it 'only matters what us fans think', Fergie would be sacked in 1989 and the Glazers would never have bought us.

In other words, there are more variables in play than the views of a split fanbase.

As for selling Greenwood, it's the right move to pocket the cash. It's not on us to risk further financial mismanagement (we didn't put ourselves into) because of the vile actions of one ex-employee.
 
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mav_9me said:
My feeling is INEOS will try to integrate him back. From their point of view it'll save them a shit load of money for the RW.

However the other side is if we sell him for 30 to 40m, that will all go to this summers ffp calculation.
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I don't think saving the money is worth all the trouble we'll get. When the news broke out that INEOS was considering selling Greenwood, articles started rolling out about how that money should go to charity. It seems like the world is waiting for that decisions to go full force and destroy United.
 
How does Getafe’s 20% selling price clause work if we swap him for a player from Barcelona? It would make sense for both us and Barca to value the player lower.
 
brontelicious said:
If it 'only matters what us fans think', Fergie would be sacked in 1989 and the Glazers would never have bought us.

In other words, there are more variables in play than the views of a split fanbase.

As for selling Greenwood, it's the right move to pocket the cash. It's not on us to risk further financial mismanagement (we didn't put ourselves into) because of the vile actions of one ex-employee.
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Those are not comparable situations in the slightest - not least because the club had no say in the Glazers, it was a hostile takeover.
Plus it is already shown last summer that fan sentiment will play a part in Mason Greenwood's future.

I do agree that there are other variables though - his performances on the pitch, what price other clubs offer, whether Mason (and his partner) even want to return, are all factors.
 
Make it a deal. Promote it with something like "Resolve all your right-wing issues; purchase Greenwood and receive Antony for free. Acquire the best of the youth from both England and Brazil."

Then, include finer details: "All eventualities and future mishaps are the responsibility of the purchasing club."
 
Crimson King said:
It feels more like the media reopened the debate, rather than SJR.

Greenwood isn't playing for this club again, but he can't just come out and say that, for a number of obvious reasons.
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Nah, he definitely seemed to reopen the possibility of a return. If he didn’t mean to do that, he communicated clumsily.
 
Jev said:
Nah, he definitely seemed to reopen the possibility of a return. If he didn’t mean to do that, he communicated clumsily.
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He isn't. He just doesn't want to depress his value. By putting it out there that we can easily recall Greenwood, the buyers know they need to put proper money on the table if they want him. I don't think he actually wants to bring back Greenwood and further damage the reputation of the club.
 
VP89 said:
He isn't. He just doesn't want to depress his value. By putting it out there that we can easily recall Greenwood, the buyers know they need to put proper money on the table if they want him. I don't think he actually wants to bring back Greenwood and further damage the reputation of the club.
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The Athletic are quoting sources saying INEOS haven’t ruled out a return yet. They are certainly more reliable than our guesswork.
 
Jev said:
The Athletic are quoting sources saying INEOS haven’t ruled out a return yet. They are certainly more reliable than our guesswork.
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Do you honestly think the sources INEOS are providing the Athletic are going to say "hi mate we are just propping up Greenwood's market value, please report accordingly" ?
 
VP89 said:
Do you honestly think the sources INEOS are providing the Athletic are going to say "hi mate we are just propping up Greenwood's market value, please report accordingly" ?
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As others have said, the statement was vague enough that either outcome remain a distinct possibility.
 
redcucumber said:
As others have said, the statement was vague enough that either outcome remain a distinct possibility.
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Yes, because they want to present themselves as keeping all options on the table. If they had said "this guy has no future at the club", they'd get lowball offers for Greenwood, which helps no one.
Ratcliffe is a shrewd businessman, I think his intention is clear.
 
VP89 said:
Do you honestly think the sources INEOS are providing the Athletic are going to say "hi mate we are just propping up Greenwood's market value, please report accordingly" ?
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I think The Athletic are more equipped at evaluating their sources’ trustworthiness and possible motivations than you are.
 
Jev said:
I think The Athletic are more equipped at evaluating their sources’ trustworthiness and possible motivations than you are.
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Athletic are there to report what the sources say. It's not their job to insinuate anything from it.
 
VP89 said:
Yes, because they want to present themselves as keeping all options on the table. If they had said "this guy has no future at the club", they'd get lowball offers for Greenwood, which helps no one.
Ratcliffe is a shrewd businessman, I think his intention is clear.
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They really aren't, unless you're trying to convince yourself they are because it's the outcome you most want to see happen.
 
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