It's the right move but demonstrates laughable incompetence. They made a decision and then u turned on it because people got angry when it was entirely predictable people would get angry
Mason Greenwood | Officially a Marseille player
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you don't know the meaning of the word.
Not many companies would reverse their decision in the face of a potential PR shit storm? I've got news for you
The correct decision no doubt about it.The clubs statement I'm not sure does anyone any favours really, a bit of damned if you do damned if you don't feel about it.
As for Greenwood, I really hope he's learned something from the whole situation and is better for it going forward no doubt some clubs out there will snap him up.
As for Greenwood, I really hope he's learned something from the whole situation and is better for it going forward no doubt some clubs out there will snap him up.
I dont know the context of it, therefore I can attach very little weight to it as evidence of wrongdoing. I would want to see what the accuser said of it under oath, what Mason said in respect of it under oath; its entirely irrelevant without any context.
It was going to generate this type of response either way, doesn’t mean anyone should be banned for expressing an opinion different from yours.
same here.
Police don't hand over evidence to employers. The club in their statement even called out it was limited and relied on third party statements. That's all HR can do legally.
Without being purposefully ridiculous we all know the new evidence is the victim making a statement explaining it away. The fact some are standing behind the ridiculous notion it can't be 100% proven says a lot about them (and nothing good).
Who's "we"?
Because the club didn't get an explanation from her via her family. We don't know if the police did.
This is untrue completely. First of all, the police passed it to the CPS...that's NOT clearing him
Secondly, both the club and Greenwood have both said he infact DID do something/things wrong.
Because they are were told a cock and bull story to negate the initial alligations.
And because the club are talking out of both sides of their mouth because we all know they were very close to reinistating him last week.
Plus, we dont know what their plans are for him. Are they still paying his wages? Could they sell him? Have they come out and said he was effectively "innocent" as a way to clean up Masons reputation so he can move on asap and come off the wage bill?
You've got the most comments in this thread. If this is you being uncomfortable I'd hate to see you comfortable.
Personally I thought that, with the right development, he could've become our Salah. Maybe without the insane straight line speed but enough to break free from defenders and finish.
Unfortunately the club should now remove Best's holy trinity statue or it's just selective cancel culture.
He’s gone for good. I don’t think he’d release that statement without knowing his career is done at United.
Car crash of a post
Stop being petty. Most of them are replying to people.
Bad example. If you are not cool with having a certain individual on your team, you are free to leave it.
There is a reason why most countries try to establish a legal system where the only force is executed by the state. The state is the best equipped to deal with that sort of stuff. If you feel it isn't really working, than you have different things to move forward than individual court cases.
that makes sense
Nah, I'd rather just trust what the angry mob has to say on twitter...they never get things wrong.
May I ask you a general question on the topic? Do you consider O.J. Simpson to be innocent?
I know I'm going to get it for saying this, but I've always thought that picture was weird.
Busted lips are normally on the inside, also there was zero blood on her top.
Anyway, congratulations to the couple and I hope they find piece and a good place to raise their child.
Maybe I've just become cynical after the Amber Heard case
Christ almighty.
So both the club and Greenwood himself have commented on the posts, and neither have said they are fake, and yet you still think they could be?
This has nothing to do with that other case, it's not even remotely comparable and she is nothing like Heard in this situation. Heads need wobbling.
The second sentence is key, everyone acknowledge the veracity of the pictures and audio. What they say is that he didn't go further than the audio and that the audio is longer. Which if I'm not mistaken means that he isn't a rapist but he is morally bankrupt simply due to what he said before not going further.
If true then the case has been rightfully dropped but in my opinion it doesn't mean that he should be welcomed at United. People can disagree with that but it's one of the lines I draw, when I have a choice I don't associate with that type of characters.
Yep, im 100% sure United tested waters before making any call
Exactly, We should. He used to beat his wife.
This. I work in Liverpool and the schadenfrude in the office is like nothing I’ve ever seen. I can’t even begin to have a semi-sensible objective conversation about it without getting abuse hurled in my direction - but these guys have no intention of having an honest talk about it. I find it doubly frustrating having known all of them for 10 years and heard very tasteless things out of their mouths in the past but all of a sudden they’re beacons of morality.
To be fair, just because they haven't said anything doesn't mean it couldn't be. Why would they say that? It would destroy her.
Likely because of the abuse that would follow.
Yes and I see your point. How could she get back with him.
On the flipside if she's made it up how could Mason get back with her.
Which of the two scenarios seems more plausible?
The comparison of the picture of Amber Heard with that of M. G's alleged victim is not to show that the alleged victim is a liar. It's rather to show that using the leaked pictures as "proof of guilt' argument when one has no access to all the evidence in its full context is 100% fallacious.
The problem is that our legal system is not perfect. There's multiple factors that go into it but it's a fact that a lot of sexual assault either doesn't get reported or gets no conviction because again, it's not perfect. There are thousands of people who have got away with these kinds of situations free to walk the streets because of our legal system.
He may or may not have done anything. But things are reported as thus, he was arrested and charged, whilst on bail he broke those bail conditions in order to visit the victim, after that the witness refuses to testify and apparently new evidence emerges, without the key witness they cannot prosecute so the case is dropped, Greenwood emerges as being back with his partner, who is now pregnant and you know the rest.
So I don't believe he's as innocent as being made out by people, especially convenient that he breaks bail conditions to visit the victim and not long after not only is she pregnant but it might also have been the victim that drops out of being a witness.
Some of that is speculation of course, but the bail bit is true.
It's also true that many many victims of abuse stay with the abuser for a long time, these are all statistics you can look up, for people who are saying "but they're together again and have a baby now"
It's like The Purge.
Interesting. Out of genuine curiosity where was Gazza playing when it came out he was beating his wife? Was there a huge uproar then too? I only vaguely remember the headlines
Apologies for being a bit graphic and explicit, but I feel I have to raise something which stands like an elephant in the room for me..
Has anybody considered whether there may have been an element of CNC (consensual non-consent) in Greenwood's relationship, or are people even aware of this type of of dynamic can exist in a healthy/happy relationship?
This was something that crossed my mind, but I haven't heard anybody address the possibility of so-called "rape-play" which is actually somewhat common (see article above) in today's younger generation. Sorry to be explicit but it can include choking and punching during sex, being tied up etc. It's a kink and both parties consent to the use of such force.
I recognise that a football forum probably isn't the best place to have mature or serious discussion on sex and relationships, but I think its important to consider this type of possibility when making assessments on Greenwood's guilt for domestic violence and assault.
I think it's relevant here as none of us know the full story of what was actually going on, and we can only make reasonable assumptions based on all scenarios.
Has anybody considered whether there may have been an element of CNC (consensual non-consent) in Greenwood's relationship, or are people even aware of this type of of dynamic can exist in a healthy/happy relationship?
This was something that crossed my mind, but I haven't heard anybody address the possibility of so-called "rape-play" which is actually somewhat common (see article above) in today's younger generation. Sorry to be explicit but it can include choking and punching during sex, being tied up etc. It's a kink and both parties consent to the use of such force.
I recognise that a football forum probably isn't the best place to have mature or serious discussion on sex and relationships, but I think its important to consider this type of possibility when making assessments on Greenwood's guilt for domestic violence and assault.
I think it's relevant here as none of us know the full story of what was actually going on, and we can only make reasonable assumptions based on all scenarios.
Might want to check your own intelligence, I'm afraid. Plenty of cogent justifications here as to why being open-minded in terms of MG's return, given the new facts available - and including statements relating to further facts whose specifics were not made available to the public but which had been deemed exculpatory - was a reasonable and even 'moral' position. No-one except an actual idiot or partisan would claim it unequivocally proves his innocence. But then again it's much harder to absolutely prove a negative, short of something physically impossible (like 'having assaulted a person when you can be unequivocally proved to have been halfway across the world when it happened etc).
The only real considerations in this case are whether the hysteria and potential distraction relating to the remaining half-life of his news story ( and there'll be plenty of media sources looking to generate new forms of sensation or commentary around it if they can, in their financial/professional interest) is likely to overly affect the player, his family and club to the point where it's better for him to move on.
While that assumption might not be correct. It's just very hard to see who else would have been a key witness.
You dont know ANYTHING about the pictures though so I dont know on which basis your are offended.
It is a perfectly good example. No "regular" workplace on earth would allow him to continue in his job under the same circumstances.
Abusers coercing their victims into being front and centre of promoting the narrative that they have some kind of reason or mitigation for doing what they did, is quite common. Usually it's done within families and friendship groups and not on this scale.
I have to disagree with the decision. In United's statement they say based on the evidence available to us, we have concluded that the material posted online did not provide a full picture and that Mason did not commit the offences in respect of which he was originally charged. If the club feel he didn't commit the offences, then they should stand by him. If what was posted online did not provide the full picture, then give us the full picture, so we can fully understand this decision. Otherwise, it looks like Greenwood has been convicted in the court of public opinion and the club are more concerned with any likely backlash than the well being of a player who has been with the club since he was 7.
That's the thing though, it's the same scenario as trying to justify that audio.
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