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There is absolutely no way back for him at the club. £50m for him in the summer and thanks goodbye and good luck. Then this chapter over and he’s someone else’s problem.
On the contrary, if the poster is contributing to the discussion in the thread and not overstepping the mark then whether they post in here or not shouldn't be a factor in them getting promoted.
I'm not a mod.
But if half your posts - as a newbie - are made in the same thread, and you constantly argue pretty much the same point, well: that probably isn't a good look. It comes across as obsessive.
Better to step back and contribute elsewhere.
I'm giving the person tactical advice here (whether I should or not - probably shouldn't, with my luck they'll turn out to be a lunatic), I'm not judging their general posting style.
There's no chance we're getting £50m for himThere is absolutely no way back for him at the club. £50m for him in the summer and thanks goodbye and good luck. Then this chapter over and he’s someone else’s problem.
This is sound advice for newbs.
There's no chance we're getting £50m for him
His value at Transfermarkt is slightly below 50m.
(It's 7.5m, to be precise).
(Seven point five, yes. Not seventy-five.)
United probably (hopefully) don't want him back. So, why the feck would anyone pay a shitload for him?
Do they predict a bidding war involving multiple big clubs? And if so, why the feck would they predict that?
I think it’s already quite obvious to the majority of people that attempted rape and attacking your partner isn’t acceptable, to be honest.
If there is more than one club interested then they may be bid for the cheap talent.
Please tell me this is not a thing.Is this thread moving to the normal threads, a sign that MasOn Greenwood is coming back to United for next season?
Well if Transfermarkt think that then we may as well just leave him go for freeHis value at Transfermarkt is slightly below 50m.
(It's 7.5m, to be precise).
(Seven point five, yes. Not seventy-five.)
United probably (hopefully) don't want him back. So, why the feck would anyone pay a shitload for him?
Do they predict a bidding war involving multiple big clubs? And if so, why the feck would they predict that?
I don’t think we will get that for him, he’s tarnished goods. Someone will buy him cheap and look to shine him up and resell later.We will undoubtedly need forward competition and rotation to deal with the fixture congestion and quality required for a good next season. Mason fits the profile exactly of strong competition for CF and RF and even LF.
Assume we actually get a 50 Mil fee for him. I think it would require 80 million minimum to buy a suitable replacement. I'm not a great scout so couldn't name names. But not only would it be expensive but also very difficult to find a player willing to come to UTD that fits the quality and profile.
We obviously have other holes in the squad that need filling. Just adds to the headache unfortunately.
No, and if you do that again I’m going to take exceptionIs this thread moving to the normal threads, a sign that MasOn Greenwood is coming back to United for next season?
Well if Transfermarkt think that then we may as well just leave him go for free
And Spanish clubs (where the best chance of a market is) are skint.It doesn't mean much, granted.
But it adds a bit of perspective when people seemingly unironically claim that he's worth 100m.
There are three basic premises here, as many see it:
1) He isn't a player all clubs in the world are salivating at per default because of his immense quality.
2) He is a player who comes with a very specific baggage not all clubs are willing to be bothered with, not least because of 1).
3) He is a player United don't want, as in: United have no interest in offering him a new contract (his current one expires in June 2025).
Of course, some or all of these premises could be false.
But I'm fairly confident when I say that there's no feckin' chance we'll get a lot of money for this player. As a seller, we have very little going for us.
I disagree. I think his performance will not be a factor for new ownership regarding a decision to bring him back or not.Bit daft to be arguing over his potential value in the summer as there are several months of the season remaining and how he performs in these months is obviously going to make a significant difference
Will also impact any decision by the club on bringing him back
I have been threadbanned and just returned from the wilderness. I will not be commenting on this thread aside his footballing success/failures.
General observation, your really are obsessed with GreenwoodYeah @Wibble , let them watch their favourite abuser in peace!
His value at Transfermarkt is slightly below 50m.
(It's 7.5m, to be precise).
(Seven point five, yes. Not seventy-five.)
United probably (hopefully) don't want him back. So, why the feck would anyone pay a shitload for him?
Do they predict a bidding war involving multiple big clubs? And if so, why the feck would they predict that?
Nothing wrong with calling out the posters who seem to be obsessed with an abuser coming back to our club, which is what @Fridge chutney is doing.General observation, your really are obsessed with Greenwood
Selling to Athleico would be awesome if we could get good price. This would help us in terms of FPP and perhaps send a clear message from the club to the players that this kind of behavior won't be tolerated. Can we get even 50 mil for him?
Only really if we enabled his behaviour whilst he was at the club to raise his ego without any sort of challenge - that very much could have happened, but I don't know. I don't think we bear responsibility for his behaviour outside of the club unless you can directly link it, he has an actual family.Is it controversial to think that Man Utd bear a similar responsibility to an acadamy product as we would feel towards a family member? A brother? Maybe even a son? I mean, how many hours to they spend at club facilities? Who elevate these kids ego into something that would be difficult to handle for alot of people?
I’ve always felt that Man Utd should have a program to follow up and take care of the players who dont make it. I know that this is now in place and that is great.
It seem evident that we have done too little in the past to guide players mentally. How to handle the success and attention of playing at the club. How to eventually handle failure (for most of them).
I have no idea what is the case with Greenwood. From a PR-perspective, we should obviously get rid. But that seems irresponsible and selfish. It will not help improve Greenwood. It will not help his girl who he is still in a relationship with. Or their baby. Maybe he is a hopeless case and we should just get rid. I think few of us have any idea about that.
There are certainly lessons to be learned by United, particularly if he grew up believing that we would turn a blind eye to off field problems or worrying behaviour.Is it controversial to think that Man Utd bear a similar responsibility to an acadamy product as we would feel towards a family member? A brother? Maybe even a son? I mean, how many hours to they spend at club facilities? Who elevate these kids ego into something that would be difficult to handle for alot of people?
I’ve always felt that Man Utd should have a program to follow up and take care of the players who dont make it. I know that this is now in place and that is great.
It seem evident that we have done too little in the past to guide players mentally. How to handle the success and attention of playing at the club. How to eventually handle failure (for most of them).
I have no idea what is the case with Greenwood. From a PR-perspective, we should obviously get rid. But that seems irresponsible and selfish. It will not help improve Greenwood. It will not help his girl who he is still in a relationship with. Or their baby. Maybe he is a hopeless case and we should just get rid. I think few of us have any idea about that.
I'd like to see the club utilise ex players in this capacity, many of the ex players we see regularly at the club have personal experience of off-field issues, perhaps this is already happening behind the scenes.Crucially we have a responsibility to our current crop of Academy and young players to make sure that they learn that being good at football doesn't give you a free pass to do as you like off-field. I would hope that they're already looking at both their education programs and individual counselling to avoid problems in the future
There's got to be a bit of personal responsibility here.
I'm pretty sure Wes Brown does something similar to this, but if players are willing to, we certainly should.I'd like to see the club utilise ex players in this capacity, many of the ex players we see regularly at the club have personal experience of off-field issues, perhaps this is already happening behind the scenes.
Very likeable guy I could see him being perfect at this, as a young player you'd certainly listen to someone like Wes.I'm pretty sure Wes Brown does something similar to this, but if players are willing to, we certainly should.
What metric do you use to make this groundbreaking "general observation"? I predict that you won't be able to find anything to substantiate your bizarre claim. It is also possible that you have no interest in substantiating your claim, and the comment was meant to discredit me because you want him back.General observation, your really are obsessed with Greenwood
How are Kevin Spacey, Louis CK, James Franco, etc. doing these days?Like with everything, people will be outraged until they forget. Zouma kicked a cat, [Irrelevant point - unless we are talking about F1] killed someone, and nobody cared. Same with Greenwood - for the first few weeks people will boo and jeer, and eventually they'll stop caring. For me the club should just bring him back and ignore the noise.
Or not. Atletico play hard ball with their best players, Barcelona won’t pay crazy money as they don’t have it, Real Madrid won’t need him and English clubs won’t splash out for him. So he’ll probably stay there for as long as Atletico want.I'm expecting a low fee, with a decent sell on percentage. If he kicks on at Atletico there'd be a big move to the very top teams afterwards.
Zouma is still receiving plenty of stick he always will, even MUTV were at it last week, it went viral. With Greenwood it'll be the same ×1000, many people (myself included) do genuinely have a problem with him, it's unreasonable to attempt to dismiss it as temporary outrage.Like with everything, people will be outraged until they forget. Zouma kicked a cat, [Irrelevant point - unless we are talking about F1] killed someone, and nobody cared. Same with Greenwood - for the first few weeks people will boo and jeer, and eventually they'll stop caring. For me the club should just bring him back and ignore the noise.
See, this isn't offensive to me, a poster who clearly knows Greenwood isn't coming back here.
It does annoy me that @Insanity 's post wishes him well, but at least this is an honest response.
I’d only wish him a good career IF he returns to United. If he goes and have a successful career elsewhere, we as a club would look even more idiotic. So no wish from me unless he returns.