Agree with you in general, but I think a lot of these weirdos would be frothing at the gash for Greenwood even if we had prime Ronaldo(s), Pele, Rooney, Shevchenko and Lewa rotating the attacking positions. It's not even about football anymore, it's about being an arsehole.
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Agree with you in general, but I think a lot of these weirdos would be frothing at the gash for Greenwood even if we had prime Ronaldo(s), Pele, Rooney, Shevchenko and Lewa rotating the attacking positions. It's not even about football anymore, it's about being an arsehole.
You've said the bolded part then made a whole load of assertions about the case itself along with generalisations about domestic violence without actually knowing anything yourself.
The online abuse she would get would be insane.
There is no way either of them can come out and tell exactly what happened without it having serious ramifications.
Erm… because clearly them being back together and having a child and her famiy supporting Mason and them isn’t enough for the same reason.
Victims often stand by their abusers, and a nothing 1 sentence would simply lead to more of that.
It’s ridiculous to think she could say that and everyone would decide, ok he mustn’t have done it then. Have you not read these boards?
Just one thing, the father of the victim was saying that he was a good boy etc 1 day after his daughter had released it on social media. I thought at the time it was strange and too soon to be saying anything. If it was my daughter my first reaction would be anger, and then when I’d calmed down looking at the facts. I found that strange
But guess who was there and who knows about all that...the girl, the father, the mother, the family and friends. None of them have come forward.
Guess who else knows about all that...the police and they said they didn't have enough evidence to go forward. Just say you don't want him back..no need to hide behind crimes that didn't happen
Yes, Redcafe where only the important questions are answered.
She gets online abuse now. Her unnamed friend would get the abuse for making up the claims. It was really an easy matter to clear up if it wasn't real.
It's one thing if you as a supporter are ok to forgive/forget/move on from the incident and focus on the football side. But it's very obvious that what happened in their personal lives was real, and she just forgave him as often happens in these cases.
He bulked up quite a bit at United, I felt he lost some pace because of that. He looks slimmer and a lot faster now. Unless that AM left back is slow AF.
But there will always be blowback at United because of the evidence released and the fact it is close to home. Plus, let's not forget that no body else wanted to touch him so that speaks volumes. Of course that won't stay the same, I fully expect a move to one of the bigger Spanish clubs and even eventually back to England.
We agree on people rightly or wrongly carrying on like nothing happened elsewhere, it happens every single day and we all do it in one way or another.
Them being together only points to her forgiving him because of what you said in bold. She very easily could have said a vague statement not giving too many details but denying he's either a rapist or an abuser. It was extremely simple for her to do if that assumption was true. Her not doing that literally meant they got shunned from the UK, cost many millions in sponsorships and his future earnings, ruined his career, and banned him for 1.5 years. You seriously think she just wouldn't say something if it wasn't real because of some fan abuse? Hell even while forgiving him and staying with him, she never came out to deny it says a lot.
The abuse she might be getting now would be nothing compared to the absolute shit storm she would receive if she came out at said it wasnt real. Not only from fans but from the media.
Look at Amber Heard. She cant really get a job or be left alone now.
I wasnt there and regardless of what did or did not happen it is not my place to forgive or move on. I am not in any way a victim in this case.
Like I said I wasnt there and dont want to take a stance on what did or did not happen. I am merely saying that regardless of that, if either of them come out with the truth it would be extremely damaging to them.
You are wrong here, we know she did make a statement. One that lead to the CPS taking it forward. Which she and it seems others who also did withdrew:
"In this case a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses"
Also, there's no evidence of "her friends" leaking anything. It came from her account, her phone and her added captions. It's irrelevant anyway, due to the above, but to act like she is going to suddenly come out and say it was all a lie would bring a huge backlash on to her from all angles. One could suggest that if Greenwood truly didn't do what he was accused of, that's the only other possible explanation for keeping quiet and leaving United, protecting her from that.
I think the varying reasons behind the staunch defenses of him are very odd. People complain about the thread not being about performance and then when you do actually try to discuss it, you get told you're biased about the whole thing you're not allowed to talk about.
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Not sure we want to be saying that publicly fella
It really wouldn't be. She easily can blame a friend or say it's not what it seems to be, because it seems like attempted rape and abuse.
Amber heard is a dumb comparison
She accused Depp and went through the legal fight. Greenwood had a kid with his partner and they are together now. It is completely illogical for somebody to actively ruin your own life, cost yourself many millions, shun yourself from your country and ruin your future legacy, have your child grow up in a world where everyone assumes the kids dad abused and possibly raped the mom. It is entirely illogical and extremely bury your head in the sand energy to think that.
How could she blame a friend??? It came from her account.
Amber Heard accused Depp and look at her now. The reason it ended up this way was because of that trial. Depp was dropped from movies etc before the trial.
Greenwoods girlfriend has accused him and now the case is dropped. If it came out that she lied / made it up she would get a treatment similar to Ambers. Believing otherwise is, quite frankly, being naive.
I'm not sure if it's because of who it is but how can anyone seriously watch that compilation and not be impressed. He's pulling it back into dangerous areas on the regular after beating his man. He's not going to be providing 10 clear cut assists in one game against one of the best teams in the league.
His touches in tight areas are always sound and retains the ball - something that none of our wingers can do. He's streets ahead of Antony/Garnacho.
His touches in tight areas are always sound and retains the ball - something that none of our wingers can do. He's streets ahead of Antony/Garnacho.
Ok fair enough, delete please.
The initial story was a friend posted this from her account overnight when she didn't know about it (could've been hanging out and the friend ust took her phone). Believable scenario where her friend stepped in after multiple events because she didn't want to herself.
So between that and the fact that she is with Greenwood now and not any sort of celebrity makes this entirely different to the Depp case. She would be in a much better position and wouldn't be to blame or get abuse if she came out right away and clarified what happened. She didn't initially accuse him, her friends leaked it from her phone and then the police got involved. It's not a case of her accusing him and then it being false. It's a case of her forgiving him and not cooperating with the police because she doesn't want him in jail, but doesn't want to come out and say the thing that would literally make the situation go away, make them ok to come back to the UK, make it ok for sponsors to paid with Greenwood which would result in millions, etc.. it's crazy to think anyone would just deal with all that if it wasn't actually true in the first place.
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I haven’t said anything at all about him coming back. I’m just fecking sick of people think they know everything and they can make generalisations about domestic violence when they have no fecking clue.
I haven't seen any report saying he's unprofessional in training or late. Would you share some? The only thing I could remember is he and Foden were banging some girls on international duty I think.
For the attitude to senior players I don't see that is a problem. There's no need to respect someone only because he's older anyway. And afaik he only had an issue with Ronaldo because he thought Ronaldo was finished and probably he's better than Ronaldo. He's not wrong though and ironically Ronaldo had the exact same spat with RVN back then.
Tbh I don't pay attention much to the offield issues of the players or celebrities in general. I only want to watch/enjoy football and their personal life or stuffs like that would be the last thing I'd pay attention to.
There is no need to apologize. And yes I'm one of those who think he's innocent. However you quoted the wrong post. We were talking about his character.
OK, I'll indulge. I am impressed at his ability to go past a man and close control - something we don't seem to have. He's may be pulling it into dangerous areas, but he's also not looking up and finding a team mate - the bar isn't providing 10 clear cut assists in a game. Even his involvement in the first goal was because he took a shot and fell to his team mate. He also was playing against 10 men for 60 minutes, so let's not forget the context of playing against one of the best teams in the league.
Our wingers can do that - That is actually Antony's biggest strength. Our wingers can't seem to regularly go past people, which Greenwood appears to do easily.
And no one is making generalizations about domestic violence. We don't even know if domestic violence happened here for a fact. Just resharing various statements from her family, police, and manutd. Seems to me that It's you projecting your ideas of domestic violence into this case.
He’s been out of the game 18 months and was arguably man of the match against a decent Atletico team. That’s ridiculously impressive no matter how you spin it! The thing is we know he has end product because we have seen it. It feels disingenuous to me to try and downplay that performance.
Doesn’t mean those opinions are correct though! That’s a hell of a performance especially for a player out the game for so long. Of course people are going to complement his talent and when he plays well. Look I get it, some people can’t stand the guy (fair enough) but if you’re in that boat then there’s really no point commenting on his performances because it’s clear that those opinions are swaying their thought process.People have different opinions on players all the time. That's literally the whole point of a discussion board, to discuss.
You clearly want the circle jerk of the performance thread back and are unwilling to engage properly with differing opinions. I still don't think that thread should be gone, I just think EVERYONE taking it off topic should have been kicked out, but then it would be empty anyway
You’re right people would hammer our players for that performance. The issue wouldn’t be the performance though, it would be the people criticising it.
I acknowledged the excellent dribbling and criticised the flaws in the performance. It wasn't a perfect performance and there's no real point in commenting on his performances if you're someone who wants him back at United because it's clear that those opinions are swaying your thought process if you think it was.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-talking-lateness-club-bosses-frustrated.html
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ed-over-mason-greenwood-application-rpjcqm0xr
For example.
You should respect people who've actually done something in the game when you haven't. Funnily enough he wasn't better than Ronaldo at point, even when he was 36.
That's fine, but you can't really weigh in on the points regarding his personality if you don't have much interest in discussing it having an impact.
What? Dribbling past defenders is Antony's biggest strength???
That's not what I said though, so not really sure who you're critcising?
No, sorry I should have bolded what bit I meant " His touches in tight areas are always sound and retains the ball"
You've clearly stated that because no one else has come forward with a statement, nothing happened. That is a generalisation. You should have been clear and stated you know feck all like you criticise others for doing.
Sure, but sounds a lot like you’re downplaying a good showing. I look forward to the next time and Everton player puts in an 8 or 9 out of 10 performance and you’re going in about how they could have done this, that and the other. The fact is he was a consistent problem for a good team all night long and that’s what excites people. If he wasn’t named greenwood and the context wasn’t hanging over his head, would you still see people highlighting those flaws?I acknowledged the excellent dribbling and criticised the flaws in the performance. It wasn't a perfect performance and there's no real point in commenting on his performances if you're someone who wants him back at United because it's clear that those opinions are swaying your thought process if you think it was.
I have never seen a player slow an attack down as I have in Antony. He has this habit of spinning back inside allowing defenders to track back.
Your point seemed to be that he would get criticised for those things on this board, I agree he would because I saw it in his thread when he was here. However, that would be harsh considering that’s a very good performance. Could it be better yes, but he was probably the most dangerous player on the pitch so in context that’s an incredibly impressive display.
I do that regularly. Dyche has been excellent in the past few weeks but still has his flaws and I'll do well to acknowledge that, as everyone should when they're assessing players.
I'd hope people in the Greenwood thread when looking at a Greenwood video would be objective enough to look at a performance and be able to highlight both positives and negatives of said performances if there are any (which there were of both) instead of it becoming a celebratory wankfest or otherwise.
Oh I see. Garnacho was also late but he's now just fine I think. Imo that's not a big issue unless it happen regularly but based on the article it's like a couple times that's probably why I haven't seen those.
Regarding the bold part hell no Ronaldo was utter crap by that point. He could not hold the ball, could not pass, could not dribble, refuse or unable to press. He's too slow to chase the ball in a counter. The only thing he's still good was finishing. Hard to tell between the two who was a better finisher but I'm absolutely sure Greenwood was a much better footballer.
And tbh I start to get the impression you just hate him and thus is very biased against him. Of course you're totally entitled to being so but tbh I don't like to discuss with too biased people. It'd be just a wasting of time so let's agree to disagree then I think.
I see my bad as well.
My actual point is the rating of the display was hyperbolic because there were still obvious flaws to his game and you've gone proven my point here.
Fair enough if that’s your style. If I saw Garnacho put in that display I wouldn’t be saying much negative to be honest.
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