CallyRed
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The forum has rules against wishing injury on a player.
What if Adam Johnson was playing
The forum has rules against wishing injury on a player.
Hard irony in this post. Funny that you don't see it. You even seperate it neatly into two paragraphs.Mason has moved on, the club has moved yet many here are still clearly bitter and spiteful of him wishing ill will and harm, which in my view is simply a reflection of the person expressing that opinion.
If a substitute appearance elicits this type of negative reaction, I can’t imagine what the reaction will be when a chancer in the media like Crafton, inevitably writes the Mason redemption arc piece if/when he does well, and uses it as another stick to beat the club with.
So bitterNo it's not, yet another example that shows your lack of awareness - not even going to get started on the car crash of text that follows.
You'll have more joy posting on Getafecafe.
Lobotomies?Please, can we just do something about the hundreds of messages using the argument "she took him back, so shut the feck up". It's so fecking ignorant of the extremely serious societal issue of domestic abuse/violence.
Honestly it's mad. So long for redemption of any kind. The boy has allegedly done a horrible thing, can there not be rehabilitation? Is he condemned for life?So bitter
sad how some posters on here wish evil on a player. Pathetic
Honestly it's mad. So long for redemption of any kind. The boy has allegedly done a horrible thing, can there not be rehabilitation? Is he condemned for life?
"Condemned" to get paid tens of thousands a week to play football. Damn this cancel culture! Damn it!Honestly it's mad. So long for redemption of any kind. The boy has allegedly done a horrible thing, can there not be rehabilitation? Is he condemned for life?
His stature is nothing to do with cancel culture, but everything to with himself - he hasn't come out a say a single world since the case. His ark of any kind of change and redemption starts the moment he comes out and apologizes and admits his faults and shows how he is working with himself to improve his life and values.Not in this country with cancel culture. People who are considered "influencers" online, can use these incidents as platform to gain attention for offering their views.
The more difficult and longer term route to take is to understand why these incidents occur and how to change term. In other words getting to the root of the problem.
His stature is nothing to do with cancel culture, but everything to with himself - he hasn't come out a say a single world since the case. His ark of any kind of change and redemption starts the moment he comes out and apologizes and admits his faults and shows how he is working with himself to improve his life and values.
So sad to see him play away from Manchester. Would love to see him back. His movement and finishing is stellar.
But to be fair, I guess he’s the one who got out on top. Got out of this shit show called Manchester United, gets fully paid and can enjoy nice weather and skip all the stupid crazy British media business.
His stature is nothing to do with cancel culture, but everything to with himself - he hasn't come out a say a single world since the case. His ark of any kind of change and redemption starts the moment he comes out and apologizes and admits his faults and shows how he is working with himself to improve his life and values.
I'm referring to people wishing evil on him. Surely if you read my post and what I was responding to, that should have been clear?"Condemned" to get paid tens of thousands a week to play football. Damn this cancel culture! Damn it!
Not sure club has moved on, I wouldn't be surprised he comes back down the line. Moving on would have been releasing his contract. Pretty sure they hope people will forget/forgive and have him back or he does great and sell for a high profit. CPS let him off due to new evidence and dropped old ones, club said he is not guilty. Waters are being tested, that's what I think.
I see people who don't want to talk about Greenwood but keep bumping the thread about Greenwood. Let it go lads, he's not here anymore.Hard irony in this post. Funny that you don't see it. You even seperate it neatly into two paragraphs.
The poster was the one who said people aren't moving on and being spiteful, then proceeded to get annoyed by an imaginary scenario.I see people who don't want to talk about Greenwood but keep bumping the thread about Greenwood. Let it go lads, he's not here anymore.
Cannot believe some people can’t let it go, and still insist on any kind of defence of this guy. It’s mad.
Sorry but no one owes you or anyone outside their circle an explanation. Barring the relevant authorities, no single person deserves information to pass any sort of judgement from him or his partner.Nah, not even close. What most people, including me, have been saying is: yes, the evidence wasn't enough for a conviction, but what we have seen, read and listened to is more than enough for many of us to despise the guy, until a thorough explanation for that awful behaviour and/or a genuine and equally thorough apology is made. We can't send the guy to prison so we can think whatever we want based on the very graphic material that's out there.
How is following his career and trying to defend the indefensible the same thing?Can't believe we continue to employ him and a pocket of this forum continue to follow his career.
Disgusting.
How is following his career and trying to defend the indefensible the same thing?
I personally don’t like the fact they live away from home and family. If anything its not protecting a partner we might believe is at risk and isolating him we are leaving her in a potentially dangerous situation.
Yep. If you overlook that he'll forever be associated with disgusting abusive behaviour, wasted 18months of his short career in limbo and had to move to another country to carry on playing, then yes he's come out of it magnificently.
In fairness, you're here in such a thread still monitoring it yourself. You're no different.Can't believe we continue to employ him and a pocket of this forum continue to follow his career.
Disgusting.
Probably the most likely looking outcome.The Club doesn’t have strong enough leadership to navigate that type of U-turn. I think Mason spends a year at Getafe does well, which hopefully generates some interest and a permanent deal.
In fairness, you're here in such a thread still monitoring it yourself. You're no different.
Fair playSuspect behaviour. I think both go hand in hand.
I'd equally be suspect of a comedy fan going to a Russell Brand gig hereafter or buying a Gary Glitter record. Not specific to Greenwood. Same applies to Arsenal fans prepared to cheer on their team while one of their starting XI remains on bail for being a serial rapist.
It will be good for her and the baby.Apparently the club are doing a lot to ensure their families see them regularly.
All this has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of the argument "they're back together so everything is peachy" or with my personal feelings regarding what I saw, heard and read about Greenwood's behaviour. If that's "chest pumping", so be it. And of course nobody owes me anything, what a daft thing to say. I merely stated what I'd like to see to change my mind about him as an individual who has absolute no effect whatsoever on his life. I don't think that's particularly difficult to understand or all that outrageous considering what we saw.Sorry but no one owes you or anyone outside their circle an explanation. Barring the relevant authorities, no single person deserves information to pass any sort of judgement from him or his partner.
If going by the media campaign by advocacy groups online, I’d doubt they even did the right thing by privately getting in touch with the partner to give continuous support.
I keep seeing people on this forum going on about their experiences with victims to justify how disgusted they feel. Let’s be honest this is not the type of support that works for victims and we keep wondering why they return to their abusers or retracting. Not all issues require chest pumping and playing holier than thou. I strongly believe the social media outrage undermined any course of action that could have been taken on this matter but the same voices will continue shouting louder to drown out any sense of reasoning.
I personally don’t like the fact they live away from home and family. If anything its not protecting a partner we might believe is at risk and isolating him we are leaving her in a potentially dangerous situation.
This matter is beyond our individual likes and hates or beyond football. It’s about real life complexities and will always need navigating. I’m glad his friends are not isolating him because they’re more likely to notice him becoming a problem and they’ll hopefully do the right thing if the need be.
How he earns his living will never be my problem or where he does it. I’d rather see a reformed person that can reference this moment in his life to show others how to not be the wrong sort and repercussions of such behaviours.
Honestly it's mad. So long for redemption of any kind. The boy has allegedly done a horrible thing, can there not be rehabilitation? Is he condemned for life?
Can we have a separate thread for his performances mods? This back and forth all in one thread is tiring.
Great post, lots of very sensible points made there. I once posted something similar in one of the MG threads (I can’t remember whether it was this one) about the real life complexities involved in this matter which unfortunately many posters have decided not to take into account. Then again, each is allowed appreciate the matter according to their personal subjectiveness.Sorry but no one owes you or anyone outside their circle an explanation. Barring the relevant authorities, no single person deserves information to pass any sort of judgement from him or his partner.
If going by the media campaign by advocacy groups online, I’d doubt they even did the right thing by privately getting in touch with the partner to give continuous support.
I keep seeing people on this forum going on about their experiences with victims to justify how disgusted they feel. Let’s be honest this is not the type of support that works for victims and we keep wondering why they return to their abusers or retracting. Not all issues require chest pumping and playing holier than thou. I strongly believe the social media outrage undermined any course of action that could have been taken on this matter but the same voices will continue shouting louder to drown out any sense of reasoning.
I personally don’t like the fact they live away from home and family. If anything its not protecting a partner we might believe is at risk and isolating him we are leaving her in a potentially dangerous situation.
This matter is beyond our individual likes and hates or beyond football. It’s about real life complexities and will always need navigating. I’m glad his friends are not isolating him because they’re more likely to notice him becoming a problem and they’ll hopefully do the right thing if the need be.
How he earns his living will never be my problem or where he does it. I’d rather see a reformed person that can reference this moment in his life to show others how to not be the wrong sort and repercussions of such behaviours.
First because he's still a Man Utd player for now and wish him to do well as with every other player.The people who are cheering him on. Why? He won’t play for us anymore.
at best you’re defending someone who will play for other clubs from now on and ruined his Utd career. At worst you’re cheering on a rapist.
what’s the fecking point?
Great post, lots of very sensible points made there. I once posted something similar in one of the MG threads (I can’t remember whether it was this one) about the real life complexities involved in this matter which unfortunately many posters have decided not to take into account. Then again, each is allowed appreciate the matter according to their personal subjectiveness.
I don’t see anything wrong with some fans/former teammates who got attached to him wanting to follow his career and wishing him a nice redemption arc. That doesn’t prevent those who are so inclined from erasing him from their minds and deciding to stay away from any discussion concerning him altogether. I just don’t get why both sections should continuously go against each other, it just makes the forum/threads unnecessarily toxic. It’s like some people just want everyone to think like them and can’t accept some people feeling differently about situations, using all sorts of negative labels to describe anyone who dares not wish death on MG.
Is he? First I've heard myselfI didn't know he was in prison.
Is he? First I've heard myself