Why do you feel the need to compare? They were both great goals. As was the third.No doubt. The skill to turn and shoot there is simply world class
No surprised by his finishing. What surprised me is he seems to become stronger and faster. Noticed that in previous few matches even he was playing not so good.
With Martial and Cavani injured he may be there sooner rather than laterWhen will we decide to shift him into the number 9 position? His finishing and footwork in the box are too good for him to remain in that right wing position in the long term. Both Martial and Rashford miss too many easy chances to make that role their own. Greenwood would be a very good solution for our search of a striker.
When will we decide to shift him into the number 9 position? His finishing and footwork in the box are too good for him to remain in that right wing position in the long term. Both Martial and Rashford miss too many easy chances to make that role their own. Greenwood would be a very good solution for our search of a striker.
I did straight away, sold the defender and bought himself that bit of time to get the touch and shot away, absolutely brilliant.Anyone else caught his movement before the goal? Absolute genius movement, and then that bit of imagination to set himself up for a shot. Superb movement, magical touch, clinical finish. Top striker in the making.
TBH in regards to individual brilliance dictating goals, some of our best teams have had that rather than a clear refined structure. The core problem I see in how we play with Ole is the lack of movement off the ball from our front line borne from lacking experience. Mctominay/Pogba/Fred/Matic should not have to be creative or great passers for us to move he ball out of deep midfield. In a regular 442 in the past, due to how deep the wingers were, they could always be used as outlets to the midfield and defence in helping to get the ball into more choice areas. They provided support rather than simply being attacking, with the no.10 dropping deep at times to provide additional support in case that wasn't enough. At United currently we are playing with 3 forwards, and with the no.10 also expected to press high, it can come of as a 424, especially when employing a more passive no 10 like VDB. Our attackers tend to stay up the pitch, waiting to be fed the ball, whilst our midfield and defence have to jump hoops to move the ball quickly enough to break the first line of the opponents attack. None of our central midfielders have the capacity to dictate the tempo of a game or make plays from deep consistently ( not even Pogba), so then it makes moving the ball up the pitch a strenuous task. We end up essentially playing a narrow 4213 rather than even a 4231. Bruno helps us when he plays at times by dropping deep and creating a third man in different positions while he's roaming, the only problem we have with this is that he can't always do it due to him also being charged with leading our press. So it almost ends up with him doing more things than he can handle. Most teams that employ a three in attack model play a 433 as the two midfielders on either side of the single pivot can connect the wide forwards with the midfield. Succesful teams that have used the 4231 have either had a really good deep lying playmaker to help them bring the ball out from the back or creative wingers on the flanks that can drop deep and join the build up play.
Our issues with chance creation are tactical and wrong personnel. Signing a player like Sancho and adding that to Diallo and Rashford would allow us to push Greenwood into the CF role and use wingers that connect rather than forwards. Or we can use the money to sign a defensive midfield/deep lying playmaker that can help us progress the ball from the back. Unfortunately, these type of players are really rare. Finally we also have the option of changing to a 433 or using the diamond.
His improvement is there for people to see. When he first burst on to the scene scoring goals, most of us could still see he wasn't really ready to start. Since the lockdown, his hold up play and strength on the ball has improved markedly. I'd be happy with him starting as a number 9 if need be. Starting to bring some of his dribbling into the game too, was more focused on quick shifts and shots on goal before hand but now he is happy to run at defenders and try to commit them. I think this goal will do his confidence the world of good. The other chances were quite poor from him surprisingly but he got his goal so good day at the office.
I think this is why we should play with 2 strikers upfront with Rashford and Greenwood in partnership.
It's the same as the LW and RW role but they get play closer together and in the box when needed to be.
I’m coming around to this way of thinking. Rashford’s and Greenwood’s natural inclination is to drift wide anyway, so it will be a nightmare for opposing teams trying to track them. Fernandes could push up in the central areas, although we’d still need our full backs to provide the width going forward.
I have been having the same argument in the Pogba thread. From a midfield perspective we lose a lot of creativity when we play McFred at the base of the midfield, Pogba makes us lose defensive stability when he plays as one of the two midfielders but what can't be denied is is impact up the pitch in attack.Apart from United, I follow Flamengo in Brazil. Last season, they played a kind of 4-2-2-2, they had two DMs, two techno-midgets and two wide forwards up top. The two techno-midgets would go up central whenever the two forwards split and make a wide run.
I’ve been thinking for awhile now that we should try it especially if we keep with the Fred-McTom pivot; it was a bit similar to when we did the diamond but the issue there was Pogba and Bruno ended up too wide a lot of the time. It also suits Marcus and Mason, and Bruno is protected by the two DMs.
I’m a fan of the diamond for our squad; it’s just that we shouldn’t overuse it in games we don’t need to. We’ll probably see it again at Leipzig.
This sounds interesting but may I ask how can they provide width? And overload a low block because if we do so we'd have max 2 players against like 4-6 players in the opponent box? And who will provide the ball if the two techno mid go into the box?Apart from United, I follow Flamengo in Brazil. Last season, they played a kind of 4-2-2-2, they had two DMs, two techno-midgets and two wide forwards up top. The two techno-midgets would go up central whenever the two forwards split and make a wide run.
I’ve been thinking for awhile now that we should try it especially if we keep with the Fred-McTom pivot; it was a bit similar to when we did the diamond but the issue there was Pogba and Bruno ended up too wide a lot of the time. It also suits Marcus and Mason, and Bruno is protected by the two DMs.
I’m a fan of the diamond for our squad; it’s just that we shouldn’t overuse it in games we don’t need to. We’ll probably see it again at Leipzig.
The fullbacks and then you can always have one of the AMs/strikers drifting wide. Say Rashford and Cavani are in the box and we have control of the ball in and around the opponent's box, what stops one of the DMs from making a run into the box, Pogba/Bruno from making that run or drifting wide and the fullbacks from pushing up?This sounds interesting but may I ask how can they provide width? And overload a low block because if we do so we'd have max 2 players against like 4-6 players in the opponent box? And who will provide the ball if the two techno mid go into the box?
I see.The fullbacks and then you can always have one of the AMs/strikers drifting wide. Say Rashford and Cavani are in the box and we have control of the ball in and around the opponent's box, what stops one of the DMs from making a run into the box, Pogba/Bruno from making that run or drifting wide and the fullbacks from pushing up?
The same way you'd defend them in a 4-4-2 or a 4-2-3-1 i.e by having attacking players help out the FBs. Both formations turn into a 4-4-2 off the ball.I see.
But our FB are not very good in providing width. Telles is good with his crossing but he's a bit slow to run back if he'd have to run down the line to provide width. AWB is good with running but is not good with the ball. Plus your scenario will leave us pretty exposed in the middle if one of the DM make the run. We need to play a double pivot there to ensure our midfield in the first place you know.
And imo that 4222 is pretty exposed when it come to defending the flanks. May I ask how do Flamengo defend their flanks?
No it's not the same I think. A 4231 would turn into a 451 in defense with two wingers falling back to help their FB.The same way you'd defend them in a 4-4-2 or a 4-2-3-1 i.e by having attacking players help out the FBs. Both formations turn into a 4-4-2 off the ball.
I agree that our fullbacks aren't ideal but I think they are just about serviceable and when they overlap, just like any other formations one of the DMs/CBs goes wide to cover. There is always a risk but imo the benefit of having Pogba and Bruno feeding two strikers beats the risks.
That’s what a I love about him.My expectations of the forum nowadays is revealed by that I thought your first sentence was dead serious until I read the second one.
I think it’s plain to see that his natural confidence is a bit different to that of Bruno or say Haaland as of yet. He backs himself to pull off the most difficult moves, sure, but not in the same relaxed and nonplussed manner as them. Which is bloody normal for a kid his age.
What I like is he already is better than holding the ball up and playing precise quick passes than almost anyone else in our squad.
You have DMs on the pitch and if the ball is on the flanks it means that one of them is unnecessary in the centre and will have to go out and help out on the wing. It's just the same way as you would do it in any other formation, the only difference is the AM tracking back not the winger.No it's not the same I think. A 4231 would turn into a 451 in defense with two wingers falling back to help their FB.
In a 4231 you'd have your winger and one of the pivot to help out your FB. While your AM would fall back into the said pivot position. Or your AM and your winger if your AM is nearer.
In a 4222 it's one of the DM and the AM. Pogba or Bruno to track back and help the FB? No tbh I don't really like that idea.
Did you really read my post?You have DMs on the pitch and if the ball is on the flanks it means that one of them is unnecessary in the centre and will have to go out and help out on the wing. It's just the same way as you would do it in any other formation, the only difference is the AM tracking back not the winger.
The pitch seemed dry, it could have fecked up his knees. I personally don't like those celebrationsSomeone needs to teach him how to do a proper knee slide.
We seem to have a knack of messing them up, Rashford and even Ruud I remember failing, only McTominay vs City is the only one I've seen perfected.Someone needs to teach him how to do a proper knee slide.
We seem to have a knack of messing them up, Rashford and even Ruud I remember failing, only McTominay vs City is the only one I've seen perfected.
What surprised me is he seems to become stronger and faster.
Yeah that was unusual for him, he's usually so composed. I think it just sat up for him nicely and he went to blast it - but should have taken a touch and settled it down.Dont know why Greenwood lashed out at that last chance when he was clean through 1v1.
Becks was the trend setter as always