I view Greenwood as our future #9. However, I also view a fluid front 3 in which Greenwood would pop up on the left and right.
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Sorry for the late reply Steve. I wasn't referring to you, as I knew you were posting about Greenwood. Apologies for any confusion, it was aimed at the other posts talking about Gomes.
Anyway, OT, good cameo from Greenwood yesterday. He looks so composed and calm already.
I think both Rashford and Lukaku were poor and it cost us in the end. What a soft penalty as well.
We can sign Sancho and still play them all by rotating them.
Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho, Lingard is a decent set of attackers for 3 positions. Best part is most of these players can play in any attacking position.
Yeah, Pereira is some League 1 clogger, who scored a wonder strike a week ago to get us back into the game, but yeah not a very good player.
We need to start him next game. Either with Lukaku if we play 4-4-2, or in a top 3. He was at the very least better than Rashford and Dalot yesterday, and not worse than Martial
Of course it doesn’t mean he is a better player than them - only that he played better yesterday in particular.
Of course it doesn’t mean he is a better player than them - only that he played better yesterday in particular.
First time I’ve seen the lad other than YouTube compilations.
Looks promising. Showing for the ball. Sure first touch. Positive movement.
You could tell the Arsenal players showed him some respect.
Looks promising. Showing for the ball. Sure first touch. Positive movement.
You could tell the Arsenal players showed him some respect.
It's needed.
No matter what team City pick there is always some real quality on the bench. That's the standard these days.
No thanks. We made the same error with rashford, let's play him in his proper position (10/9) and stop faffing about.
Yeah, agree with this. When we rotate, drop in quality shouldn't be too much.
We won with Fred,Matic and McT in midfield against one of the world's richest clubs.They brought on Cavani and a WC winning fullback!
What does that tell you about the quality we have in reserve
We won with Fred,Matic and McT in midfield against one of the world's richest clubs.They brought on Cavani and a WC winning fullback!
What does that tell you about the quality we have in reserve
Actually we won with Fred, McT, Pereira midfield. Not Matic.
Not sure what that has anything to do with my point about signing Sancho though.
Even worse!
Nothing, it was an observation about quality in reserve that you alluded to
Wolves away in the FA cup quarter isn't the place to make your full debut at 17. Let's be patient and drip feed him some minutes like we've been doing.
While I think he's going to be an absolute superstar and potentially world class, we do need to manage him carefully. He's only just turned 17 after all.
Sadly, we don’t have easy matches coming. It’s better to start him against Wolves than against City...
Lukaku was decent yesterday, but other forwards were off, so based on pure performance why not give Mason an opportunity? You can always introduce Martial or Rashford off the bench if he has a poor start
What is the point of that? genuine question.
You'd imagine getting 2 minutes here and there would do absolutely feck all for you or your confidence. It's obviously the done thing at top level so what do I know but I'd rather give players blocks of 30-45mins instead of 5.
What error? Playing Rashford away from the 9 position is what gave him the minutes and experience to develop as a player. And the same happened to a certain C.Ronaldo. Rashford wasn’t and (still isn’t imo) ready to be a 9 for a title chasing team. Too inconsistent, too low goal return for a 9.
If Greenwood is to play at 9 or 10, he has to compete with Lukaku, Martial, Rashford and Pogba. He isn’t that good yet and he might never even be. If he’s good enough he’ll make a case for himself on the right, where the opportunities are.
He doesn't need to start yet period, what's the rush? we don't even know if he's fit enough to finish a premier league match at the intensity required.
He's been getting 10-15 minutes which is plenty for a guy that's JUST turned 17. We're easing him into it. You're talking about confidence being ruined, what about the pressure of leading Manchester United's attack at 17? if he has a few poor games suddenly he's rubbish and he might not ever be seen again.
Think logically for a second, how many players at 17 years old are a mainstay for a top tier club? who's he going to play instead of, Rashford, Lukaku, Martial, Lingard, Pogba?
The coaching staff will give him small tasters for the end of the season as it's just too important the big games we have coming up. He will get a good pre season with us next year and then hopefully start some cup matches. He will still be 17!
Arguably it made Rashford worse as a player. He looked great as a 9 under LVG, Mourinho played him LW and he suddenly couldn't hit a barn door. I'm fine with him having cameo's in different positions but let him play what's natural to him, and that's down the middle.
I'd go with 20-30 minutes but other than that I agree. I've never liked bringing someone on in the final 10 minutes of the game, unless of course there's an injury situation.
Thought he was a positive. Tried to get himself involved in the play.
Yeah, I have to call major horseshit on that. What’s the evidence that a forward is made worse (as opposed to made to look worse) by playing him in a different position on the forward line? Thousands of young forwards have developed like that.
People have rose tinted glasses about LVG’s time with Rashford/Martial up front. Our goal scoring record was far from great. And if Greenwood is to only get games up front, he will probably have to wait very very long for those games. Not sure that would do him any more good.
What is the problem of playing Greenwood as a right forward? Not midfielder, but forward? Someone who plays in attack but from to the right from goal. No problem here whatsoever, he can still drift to the middle during some episodes
League one cloggers score screamers all the time. The occasional nice strike doesn't make you United quality. His performance level certainly hasn't been that of a very good player.
Apparently that makes players worse or something. Like Mbappe is being made worse by playing right forward for France, or for PSG when Cavani is unavailable. Damn these teams for stifling his development. It's like Barca ruining Neymar all over again by playing him as a left forward instead of centre forward. cnuts
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I bet it would be Greenwood’s wet dream to start a game for our senior team as a right forward. It’s hundred of times better than make a 5-10 minutes cameo in the end.
Let’s say, Martial - Lukaku - Greenwood front three, with Rashford an impact sub
Let’s say, Martial - Lukaku - Greenwood front three, with Rashford an impact sub
I don't think there's anything wrong. We would just prefer he plays as the striker. He would be like Zlatan in that he drops deep to link things up, but still be nearest to goal to utilize his deadly finishing.
Him showing for the ball, and his calmness when receiving it was lovely to watch. He made some good runs and it defo was a nice cameo. Am really interested to see how he plays when starting a match and has more than a half.
Especially with his physical, he's not ready to play as a lone striker to handle CBs who will mark striker. Like most young people who started their career on the wing, as they get older, developed and matured to take over No.9 role. As many people said Greenwood remind us of RVP, RVP started off on the wing for Arsenal.
A truly ludicrous statement.
Apparently that makes players worse or something. Like Mbappe is being made worse by playing right forward for France, or for PSG when Cavani is unavailable. Damn these teams for stifling his development. It's like Barca ruining Neymar all over again by playing him as a left forward instead of centre forward. cnuts
Neymar is naturally a wide player, that's the difference. Greenwood is a striker or number 10. While he can drift wide and dribble well it's just not a natural area for him. In the first team he will be expected to chase the opposition fullback up and down the pitch, which he doesn't do at youth level. It's just a completely different skill set.
Yes i'm sure he's capable of it, but what's the point? why teach him something which will be pointless in 2/3 years when he's our number 9/10.
If we really want to get him on the pitch, we need to trust him in his proper position.
We are not talking theory, we are talking about our squad now. Now, we have several players to choose from, and it doesn’t look the best formation with Greenwood up top. However, it may look good with him in the squad - hence he may play out wide on the right side of the top three.
I'm all for giving him playing time across the front 3 while he is developing.
You continue to make stuff up....
https://www.football-espana.net/74932/neymar-im-number-10-dont-compare-me-lionel-messi
He's more of a 10 or striker than he is a wide player. He prefers to play centrally.
A) That's not even a skill set.
B) Our wide forwards don't track back nearly as much under Ole as they did under Mourinho
C) He'll be expected to chase and press wherever he plays.
D) It seems all other players cope fine with changing positions across the forward line without damaging their skills.
Even Lukaku, who's as stereotypical a striker as you can get, plays on the RW from time to time.
Teaching happens on the training ground. In the games you build experience, confidence and an awareness of the level you need to be at when playing against top opposition.
You don't know what his position will be in 2-3 years. He's 17. What proper position? You're talking like we're suggesting to take a player that's played as forward for 10 years and stick him at fullback.
Give your head a wobble
You have no way of knowing that
Not sure why everyone is hyping, he didn't do anything extraordinary yesterday. Let the kid grow and learn instead of putting pressure on him.
Van Persie during his younger days played a lot in wide positions.
Of course you do. He's a natural striker, you clearly haven't watched him at all. The coaches know where he will play and what he's good at. Scoring goals.
He won't be running down the wing whipping in crosses.
What other clubs play natural strikers out wide? Never saw Kane, Lewandowski, Benzema, Aguero etc doing it? It's just ludicrous.
Mourinho only did it because we have no other wide players with pace at the club.
Looks very mature for 17 years and comfortable in that setting. But equally, he didn't do anything exceptional that you wouldn't expect of an average premier league footballer to do. Played some decent passes and couple of times he tried to burst through he was stopped.
Time will tell. It's not too early to give him chances at least, he doesn't look like a liability. Chong looked more like a liability when he played, trying to impress and doing the wrong things.
Van Persie was a wide player at Feyenoord, until he signed with Arsenal. So was Thierry Henry, until Wenger signed him.
He looked like he was playing wide yesterday. Was the same against PSG too.
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