Mason and Marcus's selfishness



There you go. Look at the space Ronaldo has at 1.36. Then look at the run Pogba is making at 1.50.
What an astonishingly selfish performance. There is a difference between a selfish striker and a selfish player. Mason Greenwood at the moment is a nightmare to play with and against.

Obviously he can improve and he's young, but the fact that people need to be shown videos and our coaches can not see this is the problem.
 
I made a thread last season about how Fred takes 30 yard pot shots on his weaker foot every game, and questioned why Ole hasn't told him to stop it as he's wasting our attacks constantly.

So if our worst shooter is allowed to do as he pleases from 30 yards every game, it's absolutely no surprise our attacking players are given licence to be as greedy as they want. I strongly suspect the extent of our coaching instructions is something along the lines of "go out there and express yourselves lads".
 
captaincantona said:
This is not Rashford or Greenwood. Kids raised in an academy famed for raising good human beings and not just footballers as evidenced by every single interview on the subject by every player who has come through the academy.
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That’s a lot of nonsense to cram into one post so good job. Did you know Ryan Giggs was also from our academy? Do you know Mason has already had a sex scandal/covid protocol issue?

Footballers are not role models or heroes so grow up and stop idolizing their personalities. The primary job of our academy is to produce outstanding talent that helps Utd win.

It is okay to critisize and ask questions of players performances regardless of where they come from.
 
Greenwood is a fantastic player. Great talent. Love to see him play! However, he was totally selfish last Saturday.. seemed like he was pissed off or something. Wanted to do it all by himself. It was obvious. I don't care how great of a striker you are (Especially youngster like him) you play for the team. I believe the whole outcome of this game would've been different if he passed it to Bruno.
 
Dec9003 said:
This is a knee jerk reaction. Most of the time passes weren’t on for him, he got absolutely berated by morons for not passing the ball to an offside Ronaldo. :lol:
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Ronaldo wouldn't have been offside if he had played the pass earlier. Even then he should have passed it back to the midfield considering there were like 3 Villa players in front of him when he took the shot. Not spaced out either. It was never gonna make it to goal.
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Yes, show us a video of multiple times v Villa. I was there, maybe I missed them
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To be fair he was very selfish vs Villa and has cost us points, but normally it wasn’t an issue for him. He is young and learning and is an amazing talent, and he just want to keep trying things out and impressed people, so I wouldn’t blame him too much just on the basis of one game. I’d rather have players like him keep trying things out, than players like Martial who doesn’t do shite.
 
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The selfishness among our team was the biggest problem on the weekend. But poor shot selection or decision making in the final third is a common issue. We're a team who always shoots at first sight, rather then playing the pass when a better option is available. We lack composure in the final third, and overcomplicate things instead of keeping things moving quickly and passing it wide to play it across goal. Greenwood was the biggest culprit of it on the weekend, but it's something that Rashford, Bruno and Pogba are all too often guilty of. Either forcing the killer ball or taking the shot ahead of laying it off for a better chance. Part of why I was so happy with the Sancho signing is he's a smart player and a pass first guy - he'll lay it off to the better positioned player and help us naturally when the coaches clearly are incapable of getting us to change. He's low on confidence and started poorly of course, but that'll change no doubt.
 
snk123 said:


There you go. Look at the space Ronaldo has at 1.36. Then look at the run Pogba is making at 1.50.
What an astonishingly selfish performance. There is a difference between a selfish striker and a selfish player. Mason Greenwood at the moment is a nightmare to play with and against.

Obviously he can improve and he's young, but the fact that people need to be shown videos and our coaches can not see this is the problem.
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This video just confirms what I already thought, everyone was going way too overblown about Greenwood’s selfishness. In pretty much all of those instances except the second one with Bruno there isn’t a clear pass on. I mean are we seriously using two examples where there’s a full box of players and he’s somehow supposed to find a pin point cross just to find the man at the back post? The break away with Ronaldo, Greenwood makes the run and the pass to Ronaldo is difficult, in the split second he decides to take another touch the pass in gone. He turns back inside looking for options and there is nothing on expect the shot. What this actually shows is there is no one close enough to him all game, he’s got every right to go for goal on pretty much all those chances.
 
How anyone can defend Greenwood for all those shots is really just amazing. I guess it is another one of those "We just go blind to all english young talent".
I absolutely love Greenwood but I can also see the difference between a selfish player and selfish striker. Hope he can sort it out because if his only intent is to get a shot off every time he gets the ball then the team will eventually like on Saturday suffer.
 
Was frustrating but meh the decision making will come with experience.

A lot of Mason’s threat comes from that ability to take on a shot from anywhere. I wouldn’t discourage it at all, just needs to improve decision making and hopefully a bollocking or two from the senior players will help.
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
This video just confirms what I already thought, everyone was going way too overblown about Greenwood’s selfishness. In pretty much all of those instances except the second one with Bruno there isn’t a clear pass on. I mean are we seriously using two examples where there’s a full box of players and he’s somehow supposed to find a pin point cross just to find the man at the back post? The break away with Ronaldo, Greenwood makes the run and the pass to Ronaldo is difficult, in the split second he decides to take another touch the pass in gone. He turns back inside looking for options and there is nothing on expect the shot. What this actually shows is there is no one close enough to him all game, he’s got every right to go for goal on pretty much all those chances.
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:lol:
 
RedRonaldo said:


To be fair he was very selfish vs Villa and has cost us points, but normally it wasn’t an issue for him. He is young and learning and is an amazing talent, and he just want to keep trying things out and impressed people, so I wouldn’t blame him too much just on the basis of one game. I’d rather have players like him keep trying things out, than players like Martial who doesn’t do shite.
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I knew live Bruno was probably the better ball and my memory thought there was another defender there so thanks for posting. Shows that all the posters saying he should have laid it across to Bruno for a tap in, were talking shite.

Greenwood has cut inside defenders and leathered it into a corner numerous times, last season and this. A lot of times it works, this time he should have passed... he's not a robot, he's a young player learning.
 
Well, if we are talking about Marcus and Greenwood's selfishness, Ronaldo should also be added to the list, he has been very selfish
 
I kinda feel this was all because Ronaldo didn't pass the ball to him against WHU. I don't think Mason is his biggest fan.

 
snk123 said:


There you go. Look at the space Ronaldo has at 1.36. Then look at the run Pogba is making at 1.50.
What an astonishingly selfish performance. There is a difference between a selfish striker and a selfish player. Mason Greenwood at the moment is a nightmare to play with and against.

Obviously he can improve and he's young, but the fact that people need to be shown videos and our coaches can not see this is the problem.
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Yeah okay, the only clear pass he missed was to Bruno, which most strikers probably don’t make anyway and be selfish. If he scores, people commend a great run and solo effort, but his decision making will come with time and Ronaldo probably isn’t passing there either.

Didn’t see this thread when he won us points vs Southampton and Wolves.
 
I think most people agree that Greenwood is going to be (or is already) a nine and to be honest you want your nine to be selfish. He is a brilliant finisher and backs himself. Now, obviously we have Ronaldo at 9 at the moment and Greenwood needs to adjust but the last thing he needs to do is curb his instincts too much and lose what makes him so good.

Ironically this is all a bit simular to when RVN and Ronaldo were playing together towards the end on RVN's time at United. That worked out okay in the end and this will too. There was always going to need to be adjustment at the start of this season and the rough edges will be smoothed out soon enough.

Keep the faith.
 
Idxomer said:
I kinda feel this was all because Ronaldo didn't pass the ball to him against WHU. I don't think Mason is his biggest fan.

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If this is the reason for his selfishness then he shouldn’t start next game for us. IMO a striker can be selfish as long as he score goals. In Ronaldo case we are talking about the greatest goalscorer of all time, who has scored 73 goals in 90 games over past 2 season, so it’s ok for him to be more selfish, as long as he delivers.

In Greenwood case though, he wasn’t a prolific goalscorer for us yet, who only managed 29 goals in 101 games over past 2 season, hence I don’t think he has quite justified himself for being more selfish than others.
 
I think Mason is too good not to improve his decision making. He has the natural ability and the work ethic and strength of character, but decision making is something that he can improve with time.

This weekend, i think he cost us. Many occasions where he was just looking for the shot. I think if he passes to Bruno, we win that game.
 
Strikers choose to shoot 90% of the time.

If you didn't know this, you've never played football.
 
Lynty said:
Strikers choose to shoot 90% of the time.

If you didn't know this, you've never played football.
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100% right. I would say even more than that.Top strikers/ Attacking players will always look for goal first, their second option will always be to pass.
 
Ironically the more often Mason doesn't choose the right option, especially when its clear he can play-in CR or others, the less of a threat he becomes. If I am an opposing full back facing him I know now that mostly he will try to finish himself and therefore I can plan accordingly.
It happened with Januzaj and Depay, yes different situations, but they didn't have CR, Cavani, Sancho, alongside and Bruno, Pogba supporting.

Come on Mason take that next step!
 
Maticmaker said:
Ironically the more often Mason doesn't choose the right option, especially when its clear he can play-in CR or others, the less of a threat he becomes. If I am an opposing full back facing him I know now that mostly he will try to finish himself and therefore I can plan accordingly.
It happened with Januzaj and Depay, yes different situations, but they didn't have CR, Cavani, Sancho, alongside and Bruno, Pogba supporting.

Come on Mason take that next step!
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Exactly. I feel its far more easier for opponents to defend him, if they knew he would just go for shot every time he get into box. Unless he has more tricks in his bags, more variant on his shot, or better movement etc.
 
The thing that really pissed me off about Mason during the Villa match was the fact that he kept taking shots that weren't even close to being on. What I mean by that is shots that cannon off a defender standing 2 feet in front of him. He did it constantly in the first half of last season as well, before he varied up his game and finished the season well. I hope he's not reverting to that sort of form because it was hard to watch.
 
ExoduS said:
Greenwood usually passes well. I think he is pissed that Ronaldo did not pass to him in last few games. It's not gonna be all roses with Ronaldo.
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That's even less acceptable. I doubt it's true but if what your saying is true, he cost us points to settle a score with his team mate.
 
snk123 said:


There you go. Look at the space Ronaldo has at 1.36. Then look at the run Pogba is making at 1.50.
What an astonishingly selfish performance. There is a difference between a selfish striker and a selfish player. Mason Greenwood at the moment is a nightmare to play with and against.

Obviously he can improve and he's young, but the fact that people need to be shown videos and our coaches can not see this is the problem.
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This reminds me of Rashford last season. Teammates, particularly Cavani, would make all sorts of great runs but he treated it as them just opening up space for him to run into.
 
ExoduS said:
Greenwood usually passes well. I think he is pissed that Ronaldo did not pass to him in last few games. It's not gonna be all roses with Ronaldo.
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difference is Ronaldo has earned the right to be selfish with what he's achieved in his career he's one of the greatest players to ever lace up a pair of boots... And Ronaldo is our number 9 striker so can be selfish that's basically his only job to score goals.. Greenwood is playing on the wing so has more creative/crossing responsibilities to adhere to. If Greenwood has a problem take it up with the gaffer not Try to get some revenge the next game against Ronny settling scores that's so unprofessional . As Simple as that.

Ronaldo was rightly treated harshly when he joined at 18 years old and was too selfish there was loads of threads on redcafe critical of him. Greenwood shouldn't get a free pass either.
 
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Such a better team play today. No wonder who’s missing from the team
 
Brexit_Brigade said:
Rashford on better than a goal every 90 PL minutes so far, then. Clearly cost us a lot of points already.
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Feck the stats. Check out how unselfishly we played because we didn't have Marcus and Mason trying their thing from the wings.Btw no issue with either of them playing as a CF.
 
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