I didn't think it mattered
Martin Atkinson
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He was about to whistle when Smith Rowe shot and then stopped.
It's totally his fault. Keeper was down for ages and ball was cleared from the box. At that point you blow the whistle.
because the ref has to wait until the ball is in goal/ out of play, so they can check it with VAR.
If he whistled when he meant to its ruled out. Who knows why he stopped as an arsenal player fired at an empty net
What's to stop a goalie feigning injury every time the ball is about to fall to an opponent outside the box or every time they try a through ball if you go with that?
No he doesn’t. He can blow his whistle as soon as he sees the player down. Nothing VAR can do after that. Arsenal are ahead because they ref fecked up and he’ll know it.
De Gea needs to man up. Fred stood on his foot and him lying on the floor injured because he thought it was a Arsenal player cost us a goal.
Being objective he didn’t know De Gea was down and followed the ball. When he turned and saw De Gea the whistle was going straight to his lips and S-R took a snap shot before he could. He looked disappointed when it went in, like he knew the situation wasn’t right
Because they never have before? Play is always stopped if a keeper is down injured.
Keepers could just fall down and fake injury whenever they want to break up the pace of the game, or if they were expecting a shot in the near future.
He had it to his lips right before the shot. This is top level sport and he was indecisive
This. You can't just blow the whistle because the goalkeeper decided to fall. It's a trick they use to relieve pressure sometimes, this time he got punished deservedly.
Ffs, Fred was Even pushe i to ddg. Terrible ref. Again. How are footballers able to stop themselves from punching such refs I’ll never know.
Ref saw goalie was down went to blow, not not knowing the shot had been taken.
VAR should have recognised that there was a recognition of an injured goalie before the ball crossed the line.
The problem is, VAR hasn’t got a clue
VAR should have recognised that there was a recognition of an injured goalie before the ball crossed the line.
The problem is, VAR hasn’t got a clue
Watch it at full speed. He only saw De Gea as he turned around as Smith Rowe was shooting. He was half way to blowing the whistle as it went in.
It’s just one of those things, he wasn’t being corrupt and he was wasn’t incompetent.
I can’t stand Atkinson but there’s no value in being critical if you can’t be objective.
Usually it is. In fact always as I've seen it too to be fair but I don't think it's actually in the laws of the game. I stand to be corrected, but I think they're still inly supposed to stop if a serious injury or head injury even for goalies and that convention is to often break the actual rules.
Still, I feel like if they came out and actually stated they would stop play any time a keeper is injured that it wouldn't be long before some exploited it. It's more of an unwritten thing than anything else.
That is not true. One famous example, Di Canio.
The game is supposed to be reffed with common sense and discretion. This is one of those scenarios.
I'll watch it again. Suggest you do too though. Looks at de gea before it even falls to Smith rowe as i see it
Which is probably why refs stop it now. That was over twenty years ago. Atkinson himself clearly knew he should stop play which is why he was about to whistle then chose not to.
De Gea is a wimp. I don't care if it hurt, you don't fetal up and hope for the best.
According to that Dale Johnson guy you're right, it isn't in the rules that you have to stop play when a goalkeeper is injured but they pretty much always do, precisely to avoid this sort of farce. Not doing so is mismanaging the game.
Should you be stopping a game if you didn't see a foul clearly ? In this case, Fred ''fouled'' De Gea, we can't be blowing for that now. The right thing to do was wait for play to finish. It finished in a goal, and checked via VAR.
What's everyone expecting him to blow for? There's no foul, no head injury...nothing.
Play routinely carries on for a few passes after a player goes down. Happens every game, to the point that fans end up heckling the opposition to finally put the ball out of play.
Until the whistle is blown or it goes out of play, it's active.
Just one of those things but if you want to blame anyone, blame De Gea for being a total mard arse.
Play routinely carries on for a few passes after a player goes down. Happens every game, to the point that fans end up heckling the opposition to finally put the ball out of play.
Until the whistle is blown or it goes out of play, it's active.
Just one of those things but if you want to blame anyone, blame De Gea for being a total mard arse.
Nothing makes sense in that situation.
Fred injures de Gea. Atkinson's about to blow for the GK injury so long after the incident that he surely can't be blowing for a foul. He changes his mind, then blows the whistle and cancels the goal for the injury, and then changes his mind again because the goalkeeper was injured by his own player.
Did he blow for a foul for de Gea 6-7 seconds after he went down? Surely not?
Fred injures de Gea. Atkinson's about to blow for the GK injury so long after the incident that he surely can't be blowing for a foul. He changes his mind, then blows the whistle and cancels the goal for the injury, and then changes his mind again because the goalkeeper was injured by his own player.
Did he blow for a foul for de Gea 6-7 seconds after he went down? Surely not?
You haven't watched many games if you haven't noticed that the refs always blow up when the goalkeeper's down (for obvious reasons) even if it isn't a head injury. I don't know if you've noticed, but goalkeepers aren't required to leave the field after on-field treatment either. So there's a difference in how goalkeepers are treated.
It’s irrelevant if it’s a foul. Refs always stop play for injured keepers regardless. Atkinson knew it which is why he was about to blow, for some unknown reason didn’t and then did when it was too late. It’s why he had to be told that the goal had to be given because he blatantly fecked up.
You're starting a dangerous precedent. Just accidently stand on your keepers toes and get him to go down during a corner for a easy FK.
This is a different situation.
Normally they're supposed to to wait until the ball is in the goal before blowing their whistle. That way the goal can be either disallowed or allowed by VAR depending on if there was a foul or not. Whereas if they stop play before the ball in the goal can't be awarded by VAR even if there's no foul.
In this case we're not talking about a foul though but rather a goalkeeper injury. In this case he should just stop play, as happens 99% of the time when a goalkeeper is down injured. Because if he doesn't then the goal can't be disallowed as no foul occurred.
So where with a foul waiting keeps options open, in this case it doesn't. He should have just stopped play, as per normal.
The rules say a keeper has to fit to play. I suppose in this case you could argue Atkinson didn’t have time to blow the whistle, but then surely VAR should rescind it?
i know I’d be pissed if it had happened against Liverpool
i know I’d be pissed if it had happened against Liverpool
It’s a precedent that has been set long ago and not led to that.
I can't remember the defending team hurting their keeper before. The whistle normally blows because the referee is certain it was a legitimate foul.
Stopping play when a goalkeeper is injured is the norm, precisely because it prevents situations like this from happening.
Yeah, from the literally thousands of games I've watched over 40 years of being a United fan, I've seen refs blow up over minimal contact when there's been an actual challenge on the keeper in the box.
This wasn't one of those. Because there was no challenge. Do keep up.
I don’t know what to tell you. Refs always stop play for injured keepers. Why do you think Atkinson was about to blow his whistle? Why do you think he blew his whistle when the ball went in? He knew he fecked up so I don’t know why so many are twisting themselves in knots to justify his feck up.
Well could have given a penalty against Maguire near end of the half, another braindead moment from Captain Fantastic
Exactly.