AWB just cleaned him out? He got to the ball first before Soucek. How can you even think that is a penalty? Weird
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Most officials are fans of certain clubs. That should impede their professionalism and qualities.
That’s exactly what happened. AWB was quicker towards the ball and got in front of him, when Soucek realised he wasn’t getting the ball either he leaned into and fell over AWB.
What AWB did had no impact on Soucek reaching the ball, Football is a contact sport and you’ve every right to compete for a ball. not every bit of contact is a foul.
Clearly upset his team have not managed a win yet this season and sit one point off relegation.
More overseas referee please.
One man is vertical and one man is horizontal. Neither gets the ball but the vertical man is made horizontal by contact from the guy on the floor. Ref would give that a free kick anywhere else.
But I agree it's not clear cut. In fact all penalty decisions on the day were pretty much ok by the ref. Not enough players trying to stay on their feet and looking for an easy win by going down.
Nice try
Just my opinion as a Liverpool fan who has seen far, far more horrendous decisions in our games in the past (still can't get Welbeck's out of my head for a start, and that's just the start).
We can agree to disagree on yesterday's game.
Atkinson had an absolute shocker as did his mates at VAR. We will watch games where handball from two yards won’t be given and Shearer and co will say ‘ You can give that from that distance’. I remember Suarez the biter chipping the ball onto Raphael’s arm from a yard away when he played for the Scousers and it was given as a pen. VAR supposed to sort this out.
Which is clouded, obviously.Just my opinion as a Liverpool fan who has seen far, far more horrendous decisions in our games in the past (still can't get Welbeck's out of my head for a start, and that's just the start).
We can agree to disagree on yesterday's game.
Don't think I've heard from one ex player/pundit that all the decisions were "ok". Whether it's in West Hams favor or United's favor, there's AT LEAST one poor decision in those penalty claims from the referee.
Agree that its the attackers responsibility to jump out/leap over lunging knees (coufal) and sliding tackles (zouma). If they bump and fall, that's on them. /s
Changing the rules of the game for Ronaldo and United. Liverpool and Leeds fans (Twatkinson)
I guess I am falling for your windup post.
haha, and there was this female pundit, who won the WSL with Liverpool on one of the videos, guess what, she thinks AWB and Shaw incidents were both penalties and neither of Ronaldo's were. Leon Osman was the other pundit who couldn't believe any of the calls.
Agree that there’s no clear guideline on when it’s to be used. The what is clearly defined but without guidelines, you get this, where things are seemingly made up on the fly and changing season by season as you mentioned. But even this, I would classify as part of a larger issue of insufficient accountability on bad refereeing performances.
It's the old Salah discussion isn't it? Ronaldo in each of those occasions was 'looking for it like a dirty foreigner (just without being brown or bearded in this case)'. So if he's looking for it we're not giving it is the old English attitude.
Just my opinion as a Liverpool fan who has seen far, far more horrendous decisions in our games in the past (still can't get Welbeck's out of my head for a start, and that's just the start).
We can agree to disagree on yesterday's game.
There was the Luke shaw handsball which did not even need VAR as it was so obviously a penalty.
But then there were 2 penalties on Ronaldo which warranted checking and viewing VAR - Why were they not viewed?!
Is there a chance that Ronaldo will get a penalty this season?
Or are they the comments of one Klopper who is subtly manipulating referees to his own advantage?
It think that we can agree to agree on yesterday's game and the two penaltis not given to United.
Be honest and not play dumb.
Interesting how he gave a load more reds out in Australia than in England. Wonder what gives there, told to officiate more leniently, became more leniently on his own or is Aussie football much rougher?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarred_Gillett
Isn't he though?
The side on view shows he's tight with our man furthest back, would have been one for VAR
According to Dale it might not have mattered, though surely that's only if Bowen is offside?
Think the weird take here is thinking that AWB got to the ball!
Yes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36075347
Should not be allowed when they see us as their number 1 rival.
He didn't get the ball because the west ham player fouled him. AWB was in front, in relation to the ball, which is what makes all the difference here. Had he been the other side of the attacker then it should have been a penalty.
Bingo. He’s in front of Soucek and slides towards the ball. It’s that simple.
Now, I’ve posted this before but I distinctly remember Dermot saying that VAR can’t get involved because it’s given as a foul and VAR can’t overrule non pen fouls. They would have to overrule the foul given first to get to the pen but they aren’t allowed to do that.
Someone tell me I’m not going crazy?
Definitely think it's a foul by AWB on Soucek rather than the other way around but I assume that would then have prompted an offside check, so it might not have been given anyway.
Edit: tweet not showing for some reason, just Dale Johnson saying "It's possible the Soucek was just offside, but this wasn't checked and not the reason the penalty wasn't awarded. It would have been close but impossible to tell from the camera angle. He might well have just been onside by the new VAR interpretation"
That actually makes sense.
Accountability is the only way the poor level of EPL officiating begins to improve. If an official can't justify his calls to the public or can't handle being questioned by the public, then he's in the wrong profession. There is a fine line between scrutiny and abuse, and the latter shouldn't be tolerated, yet the decisions that were made can ruin entire careers and ref's should be held to account for their decisions. Even so, there will always be disagreements about application of the laws but I really feel the officiating standard would improve tremendously by removing a lot of the bias through accountability.
I think part of the problem is that there is no intention of improving much. For example, apparently the referee review panel found two mistakes with Atkinson's decisions yesterday. Now what is going to happen
- Is he going to be asked to up his game or be replaced by others?
- Is he going to get docked some points based on which he will be assigned less games?
- Is he going to get his pay affected if he starts officiating lesser games?
I think it was a foul by Soucek, he just ran into the back of wan bisakka. He was nowhere near the ball and in an offside position so shouldn't be interfering with play anyway. The penalty decisions are one thing but he was crap for 90 mins, most of his decisions were wrong and wildly inconsistent from one second to the next.
He's worse than a dreadful ref. He geniunely seems to officiate against us. At least some of the other PL referees are just incompetant.
AWB was as stone-wall as the one by Coufal and Zouma. Atkinson and VAR had a mare, there should've been 4 penalties in that game.
AWB was as stone-wall as the one by Coufal and Zouma. Atkinson and VAR had a mare, there should've been 4 penalties in that game.
Agreed.
Should have been 4 penalties in the game and Atkinson said no to them all, and VAR only intervened to correct him once.
A shocking performance by the officials.
I think there will be less abuse than there is now if there's some accountability. Like if the referee explains why they thought x is/isn't a penalty etc., then at least you have things from their POV, rather than now, where you're just left assuming they're blind/bent/stupid.
The only thing you can really say when you see him turn up is… oh well, at least it isn’t Mike Dean.
Saw someone else post it in the matchday thread but his and VAR's officiating in stoppage time on Sunday was so utterly inexplicable that I couldn't enjoy it, even after; which is possibly the first time I've felt that?
Man Utd vs Arsenal - 2 December 2021
We're fecked with him in charge tonight
As expected
If the keeper goes down injured you stop play no?
Ref did nothing wrong.
Not really his fault tbh, did look as though he was disallowing it at first, reckon he got the word through the ear what he should do and eventually made the right decision.
Not if your own team causes the injury
That has nothing to do with it.