Martin Ødegaard - Next season

I want to see him at Leverkusen: Bundesliga + Championsleague + Bosz as a Coach + very talented Squad + relatively quiet environment = Good next Step!

Paulinho------Volland------------Bailey
-----Havertz------------Ødegaard-----
---------------Aránguiz-----------------
Wendell--Bender------Tah------Weiser
--------------Hradecky-----------------
 
Why Hazard should play as the #10 at Real? They played 4-3-3 most of the games and Ödegaard is playing as a CM or RW. Think he will go out on loan into a better league.

My mistake, thought Odegaard is a #10. Didn't Zidane favour the 4-3-1-2 in his first couple of seasons and only went 4-3-3 this time around because Vincius was impressing from the left?

Don't follow Real religiously so apologies in advance if I'm talking bull.
 
I want to see him at Leverkusen: Bundesliga + Championsleague + Bosz as a Coach + very talented Squad + relatively quiet environment = Good next Step!

Paulinho------Volland------------Bailey
-----Havertz------------Ødegaard-----
---------------Aránguiz-----------------
Wendell--Bender------Tah------Weiser
--------------Hradecky-----------------

That looks like a pretty good team that can cause some surprises. It's kind of what I want to see with Odegaard & Pogba what you want to see with Havertz. How is Tah rated & Brooks by the way?
 
Being both a Norwegian and a United fan; in neither of those capacities do I want United to sign him as of now.

As a United fan I don't think he is what we need at the moment and not yet at the level required to improve us materially.

As a Norwegian I don't think United is the right next step for him. The pressure, the league etc. is not right for him at this stage of his development.

For many reasons, both as a United fan and as a Norwegian, I don't want Ole to be signing Norwegians. I don't see any improving us, and it will result in Ole giving everyone a very large stick to beat him with. He'll continue the trend of mistakes he made at Cardiff and which Egil Drillo Olsen made before him at Wimbledon (RIP).
 
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Need this cnut to start performing for the national team starting tomorrow. Been constant hype for five years, now it's time to deliver.

I’m going to attend tomorrow, so I can see the lad with me own eyes. Hoping he steps up.

Being both a Norwegian and a United fan; in neither of those capacities do I want United to sign him as of now.

As a United fan I don't think he is what we need at the moment and not yet at the level required to improve us materially.

As a Norwegian I don't think United is the right next step for him. The pressure, the league etc. is not right for him at this stage of his development.

For many reasons, both as a United fan and as a Norwegian, I don't want Ole to be signing Norwegians. I don't see any improving us, and it will result in Ole giving everyone a very large stick to beat him with. He'll continue the trend of mistakes he made at Cardiff and which Egil Drillo Olsen made before him at Wimbledon (RIP).

Finally someone echoes my sentiments. As a Norwegian it would be a lot of my eggs put in a shoddy basket.
 
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Being both a Norwegian and a United fan; in neither of those capacities do I want United to sign him as of now.

As a United fan I don't think he is what we need at the moment and not yet at the level required to improve us materially.

As a Norwegian I don't think United is the right next step for him. The pressure, the league etc. is not right for him at this stage of his development.

For many reasons, both as a United fan and as a Norwegian, I don't want Ole to be signing Norwegians. I don't see any improving us, and it will result in Ole giving everyone a very large stick to beat him with. He'll continue the trend of mistakes he made at Cardiff and which Egil Drillo Olsen made before him at Wimbledon (RIP).
At the same time, it would be a bit stupid NOT to sign someone just because they are Norwegian. Drillo is not relevant, just as little as Ronny Johnsen, Henning Berg and Solskjær himself is an argument FOR buying Norwegians.

Anyway, so far the impression is that Real Madrid is not interested in selling Ødegaard, so a one year load deal would probable be the only option. Not seeing it happening, though.

And speaking about Norwegians, there is another very promising Norwegian playing for Celtic. If Kristoffer Ajer continue his development up there, I can see him as a CD United might consider next summer. If Solskjær is looking for leader types, there you go.
 
At the same time, it would be a bit stupid NOT to sign someone just because they are Norwegian. Drillo is not relevant, just as little as Ronny Johnsen, Henning Berg and Solskjær himself is an argument FOR buying Norwegians.

Anyway, so far the impression is that Real Madrid is not interested in selling Ødegaard, so a one year load deal would probable be the only option. Not seeing it happening, though.

And speaking about Norwegians, there is another very promising Norwegian playing for Celtic. If Kristoffer Ajer continue his development up there, I can see him as a CD United might consider next summer. If Solskjær is looking for leader types, there you go.

It’s relevant as a story line. It is the typical mistake a lot foreign managers do when coming to a new team and it creates an easy argument for media, fans etc. to use when things don’t work out too well.

I admire Ajer myself, but again, he is not at the level we need to progress - IMO. At least not yet.
 
Lars Lagerbäck seems to be impressed with Martin’s character after he wrote what he did about Ada.

I have to say that Martin keeps growing in my estimation. It’s so fantastic that a lad that young has the personality that he does, and that he’s so mature. I told him it was really well-written and that if you feel you can stand by it, I think you should definitely post it.

Nordtveit has seconded that as well. It’s nice to see that he’s not just keeping his head down and focusing on his own development, but that he grabs a mic and speaks up, and also checks with his NT manager before doing so.

The lad’s head is screwed on tight, his feet are firmly on the ground, and he’s shown so many good qualities. Kid’s gonna be huge.
 
The lad’s head is screwed on tight, his feet are firmly on the ground, and he’s shown so many good qualities. Kid’s gonna be huge.

Dependent on the system he plays in. If he plays in a team not dominating possession and with bad spacing between the players, he will struggle.
In a team dominating possession, spacing between players and movement behind the lines, he will perform very well.
 
It’s relevant as a story line. It is the typical mistake a lot foreign managers do when coming to a new team and it creates an easy argument for media, fans etc. to use when things don’t work out too well.

I admire Ajer myself, but again, he is not at the level we need to progress - IMO. At least not yet.
I agree with your main point, not because of Drillo, but because of Solskjær´s own experience at Cardiff. The main problem though, was he bringing in players obviously not equipped for the task. Personally, I was a bit puzzled over his decision to sign Eikrem and Berget; I didn´t quite understand it. Dæhli, however, because a fans favourite, despite of being from the same country as the struggling manager. So in the end, I think it´s mostly down to how the player perform. But if he starts struggling, yes, it may be an issue where he´s from, I agree.

And we agree on Ajer as well.

By the way, didn´t Wenger buy a Frenchman or two? :smirk:
 
Got my first viewing of the lad with me own eyes, he didn’t look any worse live. The amount of chances he creates is fantastic, and his work rate is very noticeable.

I hope he winds up in the right place to keep his development up, he’s already our best player. God damn.
 
Scored a nice goal with a composed finish and had a number of good moments, meanwhile Norway wasted a 2 goal lead.
 
Sweden has Zlatan, Denmark has Eriksen, Norway has Martin.

I really hope he ends up in United. Just youtube him and you will see how many chances he generates. Put good players around him and you can be sure he generates big chances to score in every match.

He will become a world star and better get him now than pay £100 mill + in some years. Bale+Martin+£X for Pogba?
 
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Sweden has Zlatan, Denmark has Eriksen, Norway has Martin.

I really hope he ends up in United. Just youtube him and you will see how many chances he generates. Put good players around him and you can be sure he generates big chances to score in every match.

He will become a world star and better get him now than pay £100 mill + in some years. Bale+Martin+£X for Pogba?

i would not trade in Pogba for him and Bale. Just try to buy him with a good offer.
 
Some love Pogba and some don’t. Poga is a fantastic player but can also be terrible. We can talk all night if its worth to have this type of player that often don’t seem to care and run like a FIAT.
Its mention in some media that Real want to trade Bale for Pogba. I just added Martin on top of this + cash.
This is Martin, 15 years old in the top division in Norway: youtube.com/watch?v=BWLdajSvD40
 
Always gets massively overhyped this kid, sticking him in the Zlatan bracket already. Then the idea of using Pogba to get him, wow.

He’s developing well, just leave it at that for now.

He’s overhyped and also gets slammed every time he doesn’t light it up. The worst of both worlds.

Hm. Sounds like it would be a like for like trade with Pogba.
 
https://www.dagbladet.no/sport/cruyff-sto-klar-skjult-spill-om-martin-14/71139487

Martin Ødegaard had just turned 14 when Kjetil Osvold recommended him to Ajax. A long process started to lure Ødegaard to the talent factory. Johan Cruyff was ready. Then it went wrong.

Ødegaard had just turned 14 - and it was still 15 months before he was to make his debut for Strømsgodset in Eliteserien.

But Ajax's Norwegian scout was not in doubt and recommended Ødegaard immediately to the Dutch big club, who really liked what they saw. The 14-year-old from Norway appeared as a typical Ajax player.

- I started to follow Martin Ødegaard in the winter of 2013. He was 14 years old. After just one or two games I told Ajax that here we have one that fits. I was convinced right away, says Ajax-scout Kjetil Osvold to Dagbladet.

- Not everyone is defined as Ajax players, even if you are a huge talent. Ajax looks for a particular type of player. Martin is such a type.

Osvold saw the contours of a new Scandinavian major player in the Ajax ranks in the then 14-year-old Martin Ødegaard. But a transfer could not be arranged before the Norwegian turned 16, as the rules state.

- Eventually several international clubs arrived, but Ajax was the first of the big ones. I had the main responsibility for following up Martin and his father, Hans Erik. I saw Martin play many times, but talked mostly to his father. Then I had contact with Ajax all the time, says Osvold to Dagbladet.

Jasper Van Leeuwen, who was a youth scout in Ajax at the time, was connected to Ajax's Ødegaard project. Van Leeuwen started the process of building a relationship with the Norwegian and getting him ready to come to the club at the age of 16.

Johan Cruyff was ready
Then it took off completely around Ødegaard the following year, when the prodigy child, 15-year-old, broke through and began to ravage in Eliteserien. Shortly afterwards, he was on the A-national team as the youngest player of all time in an European Championship qualifier.

Then more and more clubs were coming around the track for the most sought after talent at the time. Ajax got competition from all the biggest football clubs in Europe.

- Wim Jonk (Academy Manager) and I went to Norway to talk to Ødegaard's father. It was a very good conversation. We clicked well and got a nice relationship. We even stood ready to engage Johan Cruyff to lure Martin to Ajax. If we needed a little extra persuasion, we would summon Johan Cruyff, says Van Leeuwen.

- The positive conversation in Norway should have been followed up with a visit to Ajax for Martin. But it never happened. We tried to find a suitable date, but it was difficult to get to. Martin had a very busy calendar. Team Ødegaard looked at us as an interesting alternative, but we never got him visiting here, because of all the giant clubs that wanted him.

Ronaldo and Zidane ruined the plan
Osvold, Jonk and Van Leeuwen all had a good dialogue with father Ødegaard. But when Zinédine Zidane and Cristiano Ronaldo turned on the charm, it became more difficult.

- Martin then went on a visit to Real Madrid instead. There were Zinédine Zidane and Cristiano Ronaldo ready to greet him before they made a massive offer. When a club like Real Madrid puts so much effort in a player, it becomes very tempting for him and difficult for us, says Ajax scout Van Leeuwen.

- That said, Ødegaard's father handled the situation with us very well. He gave us honest answers to what they were thinking and that they received a very good offer from Real Madrid, which they wanted to accept.

Osvold thinks Ajax did what they could.

- Practically, very little can be done before a player is 16 years old. You can invite them to training sessions and build a relationship and trust, to increase the chance of getting the player over when he is 16.

Ødegaard still gives headaches
Van Leeuwen says that it is still pains that Ajax missed out on Ødegaard.

- When I think back on this, it gives me headaches again. Ødegaard was really a special case. He was a real alternative for the first team already then, 16 years old as he would have been after a possible transition to us. The potential was huge. That said, if we do not tolerate disappointments, we cannot work as a football scout, he points out.

Now, however, the Norwegian 20-year-old could finally end up at Ajax, six years after he ended up on the wish list. A two-year loan agreement from Real Madrid is mentioned by several major media in the Netherlands and Spain as a top-level alternative.

However, Osvold doubts that a loan agreement will be the solution.

- Ajax will not develop players for other clubs. Paying a high rent sum for Martin and that Real Madrid can get him back is unthinkable. They will not develop players for other clubs without getting their fair share.

- The choice for Martin now is incredibly important. You may well say that he should go to a better league than the Netherlands for better matching, but then there must be a club that plays football that suits him. There is no point going to a middle or bottom club in the Bundesliga where he does not get to use his qualities. In Ajax he can further develop the offensive qualities and not least the qualities of the recycling phase. Martin must be very careful about his choice now, he believes.

Ajax has a huge device to find, attract and develop great talents.

- How many talent scouts are in the Ajax system?

- There are many, but there are some things I am not allowed to answer directly. In the Netherlands and down in all age groups, they have a lot of leisure scouts - and some full-time scouts in and outside the Netherlands. That's what I can say.

Wonder how his career would have developed if Ajax were allowed to pick him up at age 14.
 
I always feel like it’s weird that Ødegaard hasn’t played for Ajax until I remember that he isn’t actually Danish.
 
If he hadn't been so hyped as a 15 year old, would anyone be seriously talking about bringing a 21 year old who has had one solid season in Eredivisie here?

Not even being snarky or rhetorical here, genuine question as obviously I've only seen YouTube videos
 
I find it strange that Ødegaard is not LinkedIn to United. Especially considering Solskjær is our manager. If Pogba wants out, sell him for 100m + Ødegaard. Use the 100m to get Felix. We Will have two of the youngest brightest creative offensive midfielders in the world. Add a defensive midfielder behind them. Martial, Rashford, Sancho. Behind them Felix and Ødegaard.
 
If he hadn't been so hyped as a 15 year old, would anyone be seriously talking about bringing a 21 year old who has had one solid season in Eredivisie here?

Not even being snarky or rhetorical here, genuine question as obviously I've only seen YouTube videos

No. He also is Norwegian. If he was Finnish, nobody would care
 
I find it strange that Ødegaard is not LinkedIn to United. Especially considering Solskjær is our manager. If Pogba wants out, sell him for 100m + Ødegaard. Use the 100m to get Felix. We Will have two of the youngest brightest creative offensive midfielders in the world. Add a defensive midfielder behind them. Martial, Rashford, Sancho. Behind them Felix and Ødegaard.

What are you rambling on about? Pogba isn't worth 100 millions... 70 millions, at best, being very generous.
 
Seriously, I firmly believe this is going to be one of those threads posters use to laugh at all the cocksure people who are writing him off and calling him overhyped.

For the record, I’ve not seen anyone on here, Norwegians or otherwise, claim he’s a safe bet to become world class. Imo there is a good possibility it will happen. For now I’d say he’s sure to have a very good professional career at the top level, barring serious injury. He’s taken every step up so far, and the development is clear to see.
 
He isn't the talent Messi or Ronaldo was his age, but he sure has skill and flair. Hard to say, he may yet be world class and he may be the next Lingard. Did very well in the Netherlands this season, so he may be on to something.
 
He pick the wrong club for his development back then, hope he won't make the same mistake again this summer. Don't sign the contract extension and don't go to Germany for a team that doesn't match his playing style.
 
He isn't the talent Messi or Ronaldo was his age, but he sure has skill and flair. Hard to say, he may yet be world class and he may be the next Lingard. Did very well in the Netherlands this season, so he may be on to something.

Well, Lingard never had a high ceiling to begin with. Lingard doesn't, nor ever has, possessed anything close to the technical traits or decision-making talents that Martin has. I suppose you're referring to level of consistency overall, and in that sense, yes, I hope Odegaard doesn't betray his talents.
 
Felix has a price of 120m. Ajax want Ødegaard and price has Been quoted at 20m. Felix Was totally anonymous against Switzerland, while Ødegaard dominated against Romania and was voted MOTM.
 
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Felix has a price of 120m. Ajax want Ødegaard and price has Been quoted at 20m. Felix Was totally anonymous against Switzerland, while Ødegaard dominated against Romania and was voted MOTM.

It’s a healthy return on investment for Real, and if he steps up they’ll have a buy-back. No buy-back with Felix. Completely different situations.

That said, Ødegaard excites me more. Ridiculous vision at times.
 
Well, Lingard never had a high ceiling to begin with. Lingard doesn't, nor ever has, possessed anything close to the technical traits or decision-making talents that Martin has. I suppose you're referring to level of consistency overall, and in that sense, yes, I hope Odegaard doesn't betray his talents.
I mean, even Lingard could have developed well in the Dutch league. It feels a bit like it is made to sprout talents. But yes, you are probably right about the talent part.
Haha, what a well of insightful inputs this thread is.
Thanks for your contribution too.