Literally not true in the slightest.
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Literally not true in the slightest.
I'm still finding it doubtful.
Martial has been benched by Mourinho and Ole and has never refused to be a part of the squad. Why would that change now ? He's looking for a move away, if he gets subbed on and scores a goal it could be the difference between him leaving and him staying.
I agree, get in line or I will throw you to the wolves. Martial has been sacrificed and with the online lynch mob ready to pounce players will think twice before disrespecting him.
There has to be more to it than meets the eye. There’s something rotten behind the scenes, it can’t be a coincidence that this is all going on with Martial and we’ve seen Rashfords head drop the way it has.
Something is going on behind the scenes, it might be needed to get to a clean edge for the next manager arriving in the summer but it feels incredibly painful at the moment.
The problem for Ralf is that it feels as though it’ll get worse before it gets better, and fan reaction will make life difficult for him, a lot of fans have already turned on him.
Something is going on behind the scenes, it might be needed to get to a clean edge for the next manager arriving in the summer but it feels incredibly painful at the moment.
The problem for Ralf is that it feels as though it’ll get worse before it gets better, and fan reaction will make life difficult for him, a lot of fans have already turned on him.
You answered your own question. Because he wants a move away, and he's trying to force the issue because the club want the loaning club to cover his wage, and he's not willing to take a paycut.
Guy refuses to do something I ask that is part of his contract for no reasonable reason, I bring him in and talk amicably, then I ask again. If he still refuses I mark on his record, implement performance improvement procedures, ask again, he refuses I give him second warnings before finally moving to terminate his employment.
Assuming if he’s refusing to play, then he doesn’t get paid?
Lower your wage demands and feck off. I have a huge dislike towards him.
We take so long to sign players, and now we are taking too long to sell.
Will we ever just do things like a normal club ffs!
Martial should have been out the door 1st week of January.
Will we ever just do things like a normal club ffs!
Martial should have been out the door 1st week of January.
Does this guy make more than you do??? It is an important question. Because many players make more money than their managers. It is not just their wages, it is also sponsorships, ads, paid appearances, fan clubs, and so on.
The situation is completely different from a normal job. In football, the manager may ask something from the player and if the player is smart and lazy, he may say that he can't because he is hurting. How can you prove that he isn't hurting? You can't. Even when you are sure he is lying. I am not saying this is what happened here, I am saying that this is not the average 9-5 job.
People are incredibly shortsighted and naive so it's easier for players who are basically multimillionaires to manipulate them just like Rashford was until it became too much last last week. It's ridiculous to turn on Ralf when the symptoms of the malaise that sank Ole and Mourinho are there for us to see game in, game out.
Mourinho always created hardworking, solid teams yet this one was lazy why? Ole, rose to prominence as part of a hardworking team, clearly stated that he never wanted for us to be outworked by any team but was eventually sunk by the laziest team in the league why?
There is one constant, the players and the few that have remained as managers got sacked passed the button to newer ones. They have read the brainless accountants in charge and know that these idiots would sooner sack the manager than get rid of popular players. I wouldn't be surprised if it's Woodward and his cronies blocking Martial's move away because they figure it will be more expensive to buy a replacement than to keep him even if he is unwanted by the manager and also wants out.
It's an opportunity to send a message to the squad and the fans though. An easy win for the club and Rangnick IMHO if they were to fine him.
If they don't then either Martial did nothing wrong or he is above any punishment.
Well done Ragnick
Finally someone's weeding the garden, get these parasites out the club.
Will save a ton on the wage bill doing so too.
Just hope there poor attitudes havnt rubbed off on Greenwood and Sancho too.
Finally someone's weeding the garden, get these parasites out the club.
Will save a ton on the wage bill doing so too.
Just hope there poor attitudes havnt rubbed off on Greenwood and Sancho too.
I side with Ralfy chops.
So you think everyone is giving their all? Oh boy do I have some news for you
He wants to leave. Sitting on the bench sulking won't help his case. Especially with the money he's on.
Coming on putting in some good performances would change that.
If a player says he can't play because his back is hurting, you cannot punish him.
Ralfy +1, Ralf vs players poll would be good.
It really wouldn't, it's a matter of budget this time of year for most clubs, not panic singing a striker on loan because he happened to come off the bench and get a goal against Villa. Most clubs have to offload before they can sign someone else, which is why no one is willing to meet his wage demands. If any clubs genuinely believed in his ability, they wouldn't be waiting for him to score a goal or two this month before making a bid would they?
Ralf's been here all of 6 weeks, he has zero reason to go to war with any player unless they've been a massive dick in that time.
If he's refused to play then for me surely that means he doesn't get paid or he's fined.
We've got too many of there characters within our squad, I've always maintained Sir Alex would never have signed 75% of the current squad based on background checks and attitudes alone. We have hardly any born winners in our squad, just happy picking up the wages.
Give this lad away as far as I'm concerned, his attitude and body language has been shocking from day 1.
We've got too many of there characters within our squad, I've always maintained Sir Alex would never have signed 75% of the current squad based on background checks and attitudes alone. We have hardly any born winners in our squad, just happy picking up the wages.
Give this lad away as far as I'm concerned, his attitude and body language has been shocking from day 1.
No mate. Wasn’t the “giving it their all” part I was really getting at...I originally replied to a guy who said as an employee, Martial shouldn’t be expected to turn down money as part of his contract. I said it’s not comparable to a normal contract as if it were, there would be mechanism to address a breach of contract - ie. poor performance or refusing to do something reasonably expected under the contract.
Jesus this is a boring tangent!
Imagine our wage bill if you get rid of the players that barely play. Mata, Lingard, Bailly, Martial, Donny, Hendo, Matic etc. That's at least 1.2M per week in savings.
Martial has denied saying that he did not want to travel. So who do we believe.?
Way I see this.
Martial is told he isn't starting and will be on the bench.
Martial not happy and says he doesn't want to travel if he is just gonna sit on bench.
Ralf tells the media Martial didn't want to travel.
Martial says I never refused to play.
Therefore, Martial correctly didn't refuse to play, however, he did refuse to travel if it meant he would only be sitting on the bench.
I think that sums up the situation and both are correct, from a certain point of view.
Martial is told he isn't starting and will be on the bench.
Martial not happy and says he doesn't want to travel if he is just gonna sit on bench.
Ralf tells the media Martial didn't want to travel.
Martial says I never refused to play.
Therefore, Martial correctly didn't refuse to play, however, he did refuse to travel if it meant he would only be sitting on the bench.
I think that sums up the situation and both are correct, from a certain point of view.
Not Martial
Ralf worded it carefully. He said squad. Martial was most likely told he was not going to make the bench or play at all but should be part of the squad. Martial said no thanks. Odd one for Ralph to drop in it as it just causes more headlines imo.
When?
He did not, Ralf said he didn't travel because he refused to be in the SQUAD, Martial said he never refused to PLAY. He was obviously told he would be in the squad so he refused to travel to sit on the bench, however he would have travelled if he was told he was starting, or so it seems.
Of course Goldbridge and Co will stick up for him.
Next they'll accuse the British press of printing the story because of xenophobia.
Next they'll accuse the British press of printing the story because of xenophobia.
@samuelluckhurst: Martial’s claim he ‘never disrespected’ #mufc is curious when he went AWOL on the 2018 pre-season tour (and was fined for it) and allowed his agent to undermine a manager the day before he was sacked.
Well that's tough for him. He has to be assured of playing before he travels. If this was the case with all players we would have an empty bench. Get rid quick as we can.
Yeah I suppose the player has way of finding excuses
. What a clusterfeck, just look what we are talking about. We are a circusAgreed. If he refused to be part of the squad then we really need him gone this window, it can't wait until the summer.
Martials claim he has never disrespected the club comes into serious question by anyone who's ever seen him play.
I agree that this is probably how it went down, but Martial is still making himself unavailable for selection so he's obviously in the wrong.
And some posters can kiss my ass! If both he and the agent have told Rangnick he wants to leave then they put in a formal transfer request. Employees missing loopholes just to get another bucket of cash is a fecking joke!
I usually don't pay too much attention to the rumours around our club and players, but this one smells weird...
Why would an experienced manager lie about a player not wanting to be in the squad?
Why would he not fill up the bench? Must have been told too late by Martial so it was too late to get someone to fill in.
Personally prefer the way Ole did it, he might have sounded like he were being too nice to his players in the media, but i'm sure he told them when they had fecked up in private, that is much better than them saying different things in pressers and social media.
Why would an experienced manager lie about a player not wanting to be in the squad?
Why would he not fill up the bench? Must have been told too late by Martial so it was too late to get someone to fill in.
Personally prefer the way Ole did it, he might have sounded like he were being too nice to his players in the media, but i'm sure he told them when they had fecked up in private, that is much better than them saying different things in pressers and social media.
At the end of the day it's all fecking irrelevant. Martial is shite. Not having him sat on the bench is about as much use as him sitting there.
I honestly don't get why Ralf would lie. He's been here 5 mins and hasn't caused this mess.
Martial is a snake.
Martial is moody, lazy and a dozen other things but a snake, he isn’t.
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