Martial exit?

Zed 101 said:
I admire your dedication but Martial has only scored more than 20 goals in one season and only over 10 in another 3, 0.28 goals per game overall... and his stats were similar at Monaco

As for injuries, last season he played 29 and scored 9, 0.31 GPG so actually better than his average, there have only been 2 seasons in his entire career where he has averaged better than 0.31 GPG so not sure where this notion that he has been ravaged by injuries comes from, it is just nonsense

You can make excuses but he is just not good enough

As for our fault he cannot be sold? I don't blame any player for squeezing every last penny, but whilst it is our fault he was given a lucrative contract he is not obliged to demand that his wages are kept at that level by a new club, he should recognise that he his performances do not warrant that level of wage... but if he wants to warm the bench and make bank I do not blame him, but he could get a move if he was willing to
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Martial played a lot as a left winger. LVG played him there, Mourinho played him (or Rashford) as a left winger. Martial really only became the main striker for Ole and that is when he started to score more goals. Martial also provided more than just goals. He improved the general play and provided assists. He was also still a young player when he wasnt ravaged by injuries. He should now be entering his prime years as a player.

It is a shame your dislike for Martial makes it impossible for you to see that he, once upon a time, was a huge talent who was showing that talent and was developing to becoming a great player. That journey towards becoming a great player stopped with the injuries. Now he just looks a shell of himself and really shouldnt be a Manchester United player anymore.
 
Sad how it's gone but a symptom of modern United to that he is still there, had one good season under LVG and under Ole if I remember correctly

Otherwise been disappointing

Will always remember the debut goal against Liverpool but it's time to leave (actually been time for a long time)

Would never have lasted this long in other clubs we are supposedly comparing ourselves with and trying to compete with
 
Rauður Djöfull said:
Sad how it's gone but a symptom of modern United to that he is still there, had one good season under LVG and under Ole if I remember correctly

Otherwise been disappointing

Will always remember the debut goal against Liverpool but it's time to leave (actually been time for a long time)

Would never have lasted this long in other clubs we are supposedly comparing ourselves with and trying to compete with
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Yep, brilliant debut season for a 20 year old under LVG, then one and a half good seasons under Ole, probably the best of his career. The problem is that he would pick up injuries just as he hits form, and then his confidence would plummet when managers brought in competition (Zlatan, Cavani, Ronaldo) and would look completely invisible when being rotated or come off the bench. Lots of potential and what-if, but ultimately it was never going to work out with us.
 
Stadjer said:
Martial played a lot as a left winger. LVG played him there, Mourinho played him (or Rashford) as a left winger. Martial really only became the main striker for Ole and that is when he started to score more goals. Martial also provided more than just goals. He improved the general play and provided assists. He was also still a young player when he wasnt ravaged by injuries. He should now be entering his prime years as a player.

It is a shame your dislike for Martial makes it impossible for you to see that he, once upon a time, was a huge talent who was showing that talent and was developing to becoming a great player. That journey towards becoming a great player stopped with the injuries. Now he just looks a shell of himself and really shouldnt be a Manchester United player anymore.
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I don't hate Martial, but I am also not willing to make up excuses for a player who has consistently underperformed across the majority of his career, not a big fan of stats for stats sake but some times the facts are just there.

As for playing as a winger I would argue that Martials best periods have come when he was playing left wing or at least rotating CF/LW

He has skill and speed but ultimately is lazy and too lightweight to maintain success especially in the physically demanding Premier League
 
But apparently this is not due to disciplanary reasons. He is in such bad form after his sickness that he is not able to follow with the rest of the team. If true, then no big drama in him training alone.... Just hope he is gone come summer
 
The lighter schedule is probably playing a part as well.

Squad is bloated with a mediocrity.
 
I genuinely think he has a worse injury record than Owen at this point.
 
One less problem to worry about.

Martial can do his fitness recovery away from the squad and move on in the summer when his contract ends.

EtH doesn't need to answer questions about him every week.
 
So that'll take us up to, what? April? Guessing he's kicked his last ball for Utd because I don't see him getting back into the squad after then considering he'll be out the door in the summer and we'll be playing a standard PL schedule.

Sad to see it work out this way, but the one positive is there'll be no more false dawns for people to cling to.
 
K Stand Knut said:
Not even close.

Same timeframe at the club and maybe but currently, it’s not a debate.

Martial is exactly as his song describes…….

‘Fifty million down the drain…………………’
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It's not even close in that Martial was 10 times better for us than Sancho.

I'm not defending Martial. He's been a huge disappointment this past few years and I've wanted him gone for quite a while. However, he was extremely talented at his best and overall, a decent player for us in his first 5 seasons. A lot better than the likes of Sancho, Sanchez, Mkhitaryan, VDB, Depay, Antony etc.
 
I'm going to glibly say that the reduction in insurance premiums and medical fees will surely pay for his replacement. Right?
 
afrocentricity said:
Poor guy
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Agreed, this just ends up being sad because of the talent he had. He still has some iconic moments with us and his injury prone nature gave Rashford his chance :lol: . I hope he can find a club to stay fit at, he's still got bags of ability.
 
daba said:
We should just terminate his contract tbh, waster.
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I find these types of comments just so extremely stupid.

So we either terminate the contract which means we pay up the full contract and Martial can go wherever he wants. Or we just keep him, still have to pay but he could, in the best case, potentially score an important goal. Worst case we help Martial recover from his injury which wont make the club look bad for 'firing an injured player' while other clubs sometimes even allow out of contract but injured players to use their facilities to recover.

Even if he just fills up numbers in training he does something usefull. The money is gone anyway. Atleast let him do something for the money.

Should Phil Jones his contract have been terminated? Or you just dislike Martial because you read for years that he is shit, lazy, doesnt run and doesnt smile?

There is literally nothing to gain from terminating his contract, so why do it?
 
hobbers said:
There is if the player in question wants to move their career on and actually play football.

If crocks like Jones or Martial cared about more than just earning money they could have reached a settlement to end their contracts early and try and get back to regular football somewhere else.
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Its even more stupid for a crock to agree with termination. Chances are that they would just be injured for less money somewhere else.

The whole termination idea is just ridiculous and one of the most stupid and unrealistic things i read on this forum.
 
So happy this fraud is on the way out of the club. Weak mentality and injury prone. Attitude as bad as sancho and like pogba in terms of having to consistently find a certain type of player to get the best out of Tony.. rather than him improve the players around him. Hopefully this is the start of a improved culture/mentality in squad and club. But after so many false dawns,who knows.
 
Probably won't see him again playing for us.
What a sad ending for one of the best talents we had the last decade.

He should have left in 2022. I still find it ridiculous that he left for Sevilla because he didn't want to play for Rangnick and we allowed him to come back.
 
So this is the end of Martial, a player with ample promise who was allowed to grow complacent with his 5th-7th chance to make things right. That's why the likes of Omar Berrada believe that players should only get 1-2 years to get things right. First of all it makes no financial sense keeping an underperforming player especially on 200k a week. Secondly such attitude increase complacency as players will learn that they can get away with almost everything at Manchester United. I hope that people will finally acknowledge that and stop being so sentimental around players. If they have suffered a huge injury, they are close to the end of their contract and they need somewhere to train and get back to shape then they can do what Damiano Tommasi did few years ago. He took a normal salary (ie 1500 euros a month) which in turn allowed him full access to Roma treatment room etc.
 
It'll truely be a new dawn when Martial, Lindelof, Sancho, Donny and a few others are no longer at the club. I thought we would sell many more last summer, and I hope this summer is different. But I half expect more disappointment.
 
Varun1 said:
It'll truely be a new dawn when Martial, Lindelof, Sancho, Donny and a few others are no longer at the club.
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That's right, there'll be a whole bunch of completely different players that need moving on.
 
I would have postponed his operation to summer. Let him do it when he's out of the club
 
sincher said:
That's right, there'll be a whole bunch of completely different players that need moving on.
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You'd like to think that won't be as much of an issue in the future with the new structure upstairs, as we'll no longer have investment bankers in charge of making footballing decisions.
 
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