Yeh, to be fair? There isn't a time constraint on what can be determined as a peak.
Martial exit?
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I'd say it was more of an anomaly than a peak.
The type you get off a player playing out of his skin for a new big fat contract before reverting to type.
His peak could well be an anomaly.
For most players it is. For the absolute elite its not.
He is holding out for his testimonial
What would that look like, a pay-as-you-play contract?
At the age of 23/24 Martial during the 18/19 season Martial scored 10 goals (goals against Chelsea, City and Arsenal) in 27 Premier League matches with Mourinho not liking him and he played mostly as a left winger. The 18/19 and 19/20 seasons were Martial his peak. Martial signing a new contract in december 2019 makes sense too because he was developing well at that time. Had he not broken down but kept developing he would be amongst the best strikers in the league. He showed the potential.
Also you claiming that he played out of his skin for his new contract before reverting back to type after singing the contract is incorrect too. He actually scored more goals after signing his new contract. The reason he turned into the sad case he is today are injuries. That is it.
He pays the club back for each game he missesWhat would that look like, a pay-as-you-play contract?
Aye, looks like I got the timelines mixed up.
Still maintain he never peaked, he showed glimpses of what he was capable of. Even during what you call his peak season he regularly went 2 or 3 games in a row without providing any goal threat or assists. He never really showed the consistent level of top performances you'd associate with a player at their peak.
"Daddy, what was prime Martial like?"
"Daddy, what was prime Martial like?"
Gutting. He had incredible ball control for a period.
Used to think that he had many similarities to a young Henry. Shame that injuries have taken much of his career
So, who are the dumb fecks ready to take him off our hands?
I don't think he ever had that kind of pace and agility. Which ultimately made them quite different players.
What he had was a well rounded game, fairly strong at everything with that close control being his biggest asset.
If I was comparing him to another United player it would be Lee Sharpe.
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With the exception of Shaw, Martial is just another example of overrated flops, Van Gaal was allowed to sign.
Please. This has it be the most fanboys take i've read in a while. Body broken by Ole ? A fact made up by fans to excuse their favorite players. Incredible
"Daddy, what was prime Martial like?"
There is a reason that clip didn't show the end of each of the dribbles - probably because he failed with the end product on most of them.
At the time it made sense to sign him and he started out well, I don't think we can blame Van Gaal for not foreseeing his injury woes and laziness
Martial has always had excellent decision making unlike our other players who’ve excelled more with the “numbers”.
So I think if you were to see the end of the each dribble, it will show him going for a pass 80% of the time and never getting the ball back or the chance going begging.
Martial has had his moments and given the fans plenty of good memories...But the issue is that he has overstayed by a good few years, and for reasons not entirely his own doing (injuries, salary) have replaced the good times with seasons of mediocrity and bad memories.
If he had been sold 2-3 years ago then you would look back on his signing as not living up to the hype, but not a total disaster either.
Hopefully the club part ways in the summer and his replacement can be brought in on a reasonable contract/salary.
If he had been sold 2-3 years ago then you would look back on his signing as not living up to the hype, but not a total disaster either.
Hopefully the club part ways in the summer and his replacement can be brought in on a reasonable contract/salary.
Never had the drive to fulfil his potential, should have been sold a long time ago.
No, Ole didnt drive over Martial with his car if you think that is what it means.
Before Ole Martial wasnt injury prone. After Ole Martial can hardly play a match without picking up an injury. Martial himself said in interviews (so i do have a source and didnt make up anything) that Ole asked him to play while injured. Should Martial have refused to play while injured? Maybe. Should Ole ask injured players to play for him? Maybe not. Its up to debate if you should ask your players to play while injured.
"In the last two seasons, I’ve regularly played while injured. People don’t know it, but I couldn’t accelerate during the four months that followed the Covid-19 season.
"But the manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer said he needed me, so I played.
"But the manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer said he needed me, so I played.
When Ole was the manager everyone and their dog was also claiming that Rashford was overplayed and playing while injured. I dont think it is impossible to think that Ole actually asked his injured players to play. Ole wanted to keep his job and that might have been more important to him than risking the player their long term health. Playing injured players doesnt mean they will become broken players but it seems that it did happen to Martial.
And no, Martial isnt my favorite player. Just because i dont shit on him like doesnt mean he is my favorite. I just dont like stupid made up claims that Martial is lazy, moody and was never any good. There is enough to be critical about when talking about Martial but making up stuff isnt required to be critical. Martial didnt live up to his expectation and shouldnt get a new contract but there was a time when Martial was actually a very good player and had the potential to become a star.
I could also claim that you are an Ole fanboy because your location says Trondheim but that wouldnt directly make you an Ole fanboy. It would be a dumb and shortsighted claim just like your claim of my alleged Martial fanboyism.
Case closed then.
Although Luke Shaw suddenly started being much more fit under Ole than previously. Which means Ole must also be a healer as well as a destroyer.
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He had good decision Making but that's not true.
Does his contract not have an expiry date?
"Daddy, what was prime Martial like?"
My biggest disappointment in my time supporting the club. Of all the players who didn’t develop as we hoped, Martial was one who had genuinely elite natural ability. Should have been one of the PL greats ended up being a player we don’t know how to get rid of.
Funny how i said that his body broke down OR Ole broke his body. Yet you make it seem like i claim it was 100% Ole.
I do think Ole playing him injured is part of his injuries now but its also just bad luck.
Problem with Martial, his marathon career is made up of lots of little sprints followed by an injury. Not what you want or need as a footballer.
Still don’t understand the level of stick he gets. He’s knackered and can’t stay fit. He’s never said a bad word about the club but done his best to maintain fitness to be available. He joined Sevilla on loan hoping to get proper playing time and sort his future out. At the age of 27, turning 28 shortly, he’s unlikely to get a solid contract at another club and his career has more or less gone to shit.
Wow, with that quote it's clear, Ole ruined him. It's a wonder he 's alive.
So you think Martial is lying or that playing while injured could not have any effect, however small, to Martial his current broken state?
We’ve been shit for eight seasons, can’t blame it all on the guy. Wonder if we had been doing proper recruitment all that time what he would have amounted to. Ole playing him through injury is such a shame.
But honestly after mediocre years we should have out proper pressure on him to move him on, but no. PSG would have taken him
I think a lot of people forget that he was still only 24 when his injury problems began and basically ended his career at the top level (in the sense of being able to perform at that level anyway). And that by then he'd already 'wasted' two and a half years under a manager who blatantly didn't like him and prioritised other players even when Martial was easily outperforming them all.
There have been times that he hasn't helped himself, but Martial really has been incredibly unlucky with how his career has gone.
A lot of top Premier League strikers begin to develop better movement with age to compensate for their declining pace in their late 20s. But you watch Martial when a ball is about to come into the box and he still offers as much movement as a dead cat. I have very little sympathy for him as he hasn't shown much desire to adapt his game after injuries have taken their toll.
Forget about Martial, he is here to make up space. His career has ended 3-4 years ago, Martial main responsibilities today is add numbers to the bench, ensure that club doctor is busy, replace Hoijund when he is out of gas, throw on to get a desperation goal. Martial will likely go back a tier 2 club in France when his contract ends.
He should have been prioritised as our left winger if he could have stayed fit.
Forget this player.