well Veron was...and look what happened to him...
Marquee signings.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Indeed. The signing of Van Persie seem to give the team, the club and fans a huge psychological lift after the disappointment of last year. The constant moaning of it by Mancini about it appeared to have slowly deflated City as the season progressed.
RVP definitely gave the club a huge psychological lift that greatly helped us win the league last season.....that and his amazing ability and goals of course!!!!
I don't think marquee players are necessarily that important, what's important is getting the right players. Having said that, I think it's important that the club has the ability to attract marquee players when we need to. It's one thing deciding you don't need a big name player, it's another when you do need that player but you can't get him. It spreads confidence through the club when everyone sees that we can attract big name players.
I think marquee players help, they help recruit other players, they keep the club in the front of young players minds when they're ready to move. However United have a better record of creating them than signing them.
Marquee prospects in our ranks? We seem to be struggling there - and I would be delighted to see us sign one of those this summer, or any other summer for that matter.
Marquee prospects in our ranks? We seem to be struggling there - and I would be delighted to see us sign one of those this summer, or any other summer for that matter.
I think Moyes is probably partly using this pre-season as a guide to what he might need. He hasn't really seen these players up close playing and may have different ideas as to how to use them. That's why, in all sincerity, I'll be supprised if we won the league next season..a cup maybe...but too many changes have happened and things need to bed down...
Nah pre-season is fitness and nothing else. If we're making decisions on players based on pre-season we're in trouble. We're hardly an obscure team. I can't imagine he has that much to learn in terms of the players.
I wont ask what kind of list that is though
Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies.
Atleast we still have Albert the kitman, albeit on a semi-retired basis..
apparently...I have it on good authority, Albert has always been the real manager...Ferguson was just a front man, an actor apparently...very good mind.
I don' think Ferdinand was marquee. He was an investment signing. My memory my be doing me a disservice here but I think he was brought on the basis of 'He'll become one of the best defenders around" as opposed to "here is one of the best defenders around". Ditto Rooney and Carrick, really.
Marquee if we're referring to "The best around, here he is" then Veron and RVP are the only two who spring to mind. Cole too in that sense. I think Cantona still have question marks over him at the time.
Marquee if we're referring to "The best around, here he is" then Veron and RVP are the only two who spring to mind. Cole too in that sense. I think Cantona still have question marks over him at the time.
It's not black or white. In general, it'd about making the right signings rather than the ones that make the biggest noise. On the other hand, the appeal of the club to the top players is also relevant. That's how barca have ended up with Neymar and bayern are getting gotze and thiago. It helps you get the best. And these signings arnt just for the sake of it. They're going to be among the best in the world very soon. At least gotze should be. Neymar probably will be based on the general consensus on his ability. And thiago should be very good too.
Marquee signings are nice from the fact they get you excited, but in reality any attacking player we sign can be made to look exciting with a good youtube compilation anyway. And if they have a fancy name, from a foreign league that people don't really watch then its even more exciting.
As long as we sign players that do well and maintain the success at the club, I couldnt give a shit where they come from, how much they cost, or how many people know them
As long as we sign players that do well and maintain the success at the club, I couldnt give a shit where they come from, how much they cost, or how many people know them
Don't think anyone thought that of Carrick.
Rightly or wrongly, the time does feel 'right' for a marquee signing. Someone to come in to signify Moyes' intentions and highlight that he can attract top players and that he means business.
It may not be the United way and I'm a complete advocate for developing players, but it does feel like the club needs a little boost.
It may not be the United way and I'm a complete advocate for developing players, but it does feel like the club needs a little boost.
Right now it's not even about marquee signings for me. It's about sorting out a midfield. Just go ahead and sign the two best midfielders you can and let's finally have the team making some progress in that area of the pitch.
That Ferguson guy was just a hindrance by all accounts then. We'll end up winning the Quad this season now that Albert can concentrate properly on team affairs, without that Ferguson guy pokin his nose in...
Ferguson - bloody hell..
To me a marquee signing is a player that is one of the best players in the world at their position or a hyped up young player that most of the top clubs want like Sanchez, Ozil or Hazard in previous seasons.
I don't think it's imperative to sign a marquee player, but I do think it would help with the understandable uncertainty about us going forward now that Fergie is gone. If we don't make a marquee signing, we have to win games to silence the doubters and that is alot of pressure on David Moyes and our players.
I don't think it's imperative to sign a marquee player, but I do think it would help with the understandable uncertainty about us going forward now that Fergie is gone. If we don't make a marquee signing, we have to win games to silence the doubters and that is alot of pressure on David Moyes and our players.
I don't believe buying a marquee player is important. It's all about buying the right player. We all know what we're crying out for, and I've got severe doubts as to whether we're going to plug the gap.
If really will be ridiculous if we don't strengthen our midfield this season. Is gotten silly enough that we've refused to for so long already.
I can only speak personally, but I'd accepted Fergie's stubbornness on the midfield issue because of his overall managerial brilliance. The one positive aspect of getting a new manager, as I saw it, was that we'd address this clear weakness. In fairness, it's still relatively early, and the club probably do have one or two buns in the oven. But if we don't do any business in midfield this summer, I'll be tearing my hair out. We can't keep saying that Anderson will stay fit, Jones/Giggs can do a job, Fletcher should be okay, etc.
Put it like this, I don't believe Moyes is good enough to get by with the paucity of midfield options that Fergie did. That's not me knee-jerking, it's an honest assessment.
He probably isn't. But either way, I'm tired of our midfield. It needs to freshening up, badly.
Carrick is getting older every year....his fitness levels are terrific. Unfortunately everyone succumbs to injury at some point and if he were to succumb...in a big way...then the situation would be ridiculous. It isn't quite ridiculous yet, but it sure could be.
True.
There's no doubt RvP made a massive impact and gave the entire club a lift. It wouldn't have been the same had he cost a couple of million. But they're not a guarantee of success and often the importance in terms of making a statement to other clubs is overplayed.
I don't really have fears of Carrick giving it up within the next three or four years. By the look of him he seems like someone who's naturally quite fit and his playing style hasn't exactly ever been confrontational. I think he can perform at the current level that he's performing at until up to the age of 35, maybe beyond. If he stays free from injury of course.
31 is the new 26
Oh yeh fully agree....just concerns me that his luck might one day run out i.e. this season when we don't buy any midfielders again.....and consequently our luck too. Sad really.
Would Thiago have been a marquee signing though?
not as big a name as others we have signed, but certainly an eye opener.
Yes, but not a tried and tested world beater. Potentially yes, but hardly in the RVP bracket of transfers.
Depends on whether you think Gotze is a marquee signing, I suppose. Both incredibly talented young players with the world at their feet, who would walk into most other teams. I think they are both marquee signings, as it happens. Very high profile.
No, as good as he is the main reason people want him is just because he is a central midfielder. At this point I think some people would be happy to have anyone, regardless of the implications to the team, the squad, and the club as a whole, or regardless of what type of midfielder they are... they just want a body in the team. And of course, if that player has a fancy name and comes from a foreign country, he'll definitely be better than any other options that are available
Carrick at this level to 35? I doubt it he has 2-3 more years left and his age will catch up to him it always does at the highest level no matter how good you are.
Marquee signings are great for the fans, club etc but players are ultimately judged by what they do on the pitch. Hernandez> Berbatov
Marquee signings are great for the fans, club etc but players are ultimately judged by what they do on the pitch. Hernandez> Berbatov
DAVID MOYES has been told he can spend as much as he likes.
The new Manchester United boss has targeted both Gareth Bale and Cristiano Ronaldo — even though they would cost over £75million EACH.
Moyes declared: “Isn’t it great that the club says, ‘There’s no budget here, you go get who you want to get, just go and do it’.
"We are looking at the best players. I do think it’s important that we show people we are carrying on the traditions and trying to take the club forward.”
United’s current record fee is the £30.75m they paid Tottenham for Dimitar Berbatov in 2007.
Spurs wing wizard Bale, 23, and Real Madrid superstar Ronaldo, 28, would cost way over double that, though.
Asked about Bale and Ronaldo, Moyes said: “I will not name anybody but certainly we are always looking at the best players.
“I think we are trying to strengthen in a couple of areas. We are short in midfield. We are also a club which tends to invest in the youth side, so you can expect us to go for players in that age group.
“We are working hard to make sure the first signing is the right one.
“I have been left a really good team and I want to add to it sensibly.”
United remain keen on Leighton Baines, one of Moyes’ stars at former club Everton.
But the Red Devils will not increase their £12m offer, meaning the England left-back will have to put in a transfer request if he wants to move.
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5011911/David-Moyes-given-UNLIMITED-budget.html#ixzz2YyGbFXMG
The new Manchester United boss has targeted both Gareth Bale and Cristiano Ronaldo — even though they would cost over £75million EACH.
Moyes declared: “Isn’t it great that the club says, ‘There’s no budget here, you go get who you want to get, just go and do it’.
"We are looking at the best players. I do think it’s important that we show people we are carrying on the traditions and trying to take the club forward.”
United’s current record fee is the £30.75m they paid Tottenham for Dimitar Berbatov in 2007.
Spurs wing wizard Bale, 23, and Real Madrid superstar Ronaldo, 28, would cost way over double that, though.
Asked about Bale and Ronaldo, Moyes said: “I will not name anybody but certainly we are always looking at the best players.
“I think we are trying to strengthen in a couple of areas. We are short in midfield. We are also a club which tends to invest in the youth side, so you can expect us to go for players in that age group.
“We are working hard to make sure the first signing is the right one.
“I have been left a really good team and I want to add to it sensibly.”
United remain keen on Leighton Baines, one of Moyes’ stars at former club Everton.
But the Red Devils will not increase their £12m offer, meaning the England left-back will have to put in a transfer request if he wants to move.
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5011911/David-Moyes-given-UNLIMITED-budget.html#ixzz2YyGbFXMG
Doesn't seem like there's anything imminent in the pipeline. The Ronaldo and Bale things just seem like they chose the most expensive players we've been linked to this summer to ram home the point.