He wasnt useless yesterday but then again ive no agenda with him
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He wasnt useless yesterday but then again ive no agenda with him
Should not play ahead of Mata, especially vs bottom half teams. Mou's preference for him nearly cost us points yesterday. We'd have murdered Boro with Mata in the team.
The only good thing with him starting is that he can't come on as a sub when we're chasing the game.
Everyone singing Joses praises (except Randall obviously) yet think he hasnt a clue when it comes to.Fellaini.
Hasn't got an option. As he already said he won't play players who want to leave (Schneiderlin)
Basti?
Not scoring had notning to do with Fellaini. It was the fact that we couldnt convert our chances - something we've struggled with even when we've played Mata ahead of Fellaini.
At this point, my only hope is he thinks so highly of himself that he asks to be transferred to another club because manager after manager are seemingly intent on playing him.
I'm still not convinced he has time for him. I think bringing him back into the fold was us trying to get some interest in him for January.
We'd have created more chances with Mata on the pitch, he'ss far more cretative and scores more than Fellaini as well.
We also conceded when he went off.
His absence is the reason why we conceded? I think his presence is one of the reasons why the game became too dificult for us. We played well with him but even better without him.
Well just like you can say we would have created more chances with Mata, I can say we wouldnt have conceded with Fellaini on. All guess work.
Fact is, if we finished our chances, even with Mata on the bench, Fellaini starting wouldnt be an issue.
But why should we play him? Why give ourselves that handicap? I get that he's, in some matches, not an issue per se, but rather he's completely unnecessary. Against a team shutting up shop he's proved for three seasons he can't do anything.
that's a total lie. Schneiderlin was attrocious. Just compare and contrast Schneiderlin vs West Ham and Fellaini vs the same opponents . As an example...
It has stooped to the level of mindless hate. Especially when clowns start judging a squad player on the standards of starters like Carrick or Pogba. "He didn't make an impact' the sat because he didn't replicate the performance of a starter
I for one don't believe that Fellaini is a better than Schneiderlin. It's so easy to remember the player that is usually deployed higher up the pitch while the deeper tends to be ignored more often. I remember more games Fellaini was a more negative influence than Schneiderlin but oh well, the latter is as good as gone and so should the former.
The problem for Fellaini now is fans are now on his back for his every mistake. He's had 3 years to win fans over without succeeding. He looks a player void of confidence and very likely petrified to make a mistake, which means he's playing safe unimaginative football for fear of making mistakes.
He needs to move for his own sake.
He needs to move for his own sake.
That's a crap argument. Why don't we also play rashford at LB as we can create more through him there?
His job was to be a DM yesterday and he more or less did what he had to do filling in as a DM. If we create less chances with him on the pitch, then I would ask what are Pogba martial herrera Zlatan Valencia blind and mkhi doing since anytime he gets the ball he gives it to one of them immediately.
With respect, he was anything but a defensive midfielder yesterday.
It always amazes me that people can present opinions on a football match and get such obvious details wrong.
He got forward due to them offering nothing in attack about 20 mins into the game and letting us have the ball. That was what I felt at least. Negredo was isolated in our half meaning literally anyone except Smalling and de gea could go upfront.
A "DM" that won 1/4 tackles, 0 interceptions and an 83% pass completion rate isn't really doing more or less what you'd hope.
He wasn't the DM. He was a CM that completed a few 5 yard backward and sideways passes. He does nothing of worth.
So our DM decided he didn't need to defend any more and went up front?
Basically, you're saying he wasn't needed in a defensive midfielders role. If my understanding is correct @marjen is saying why play him when we knew prior to KO we'll not need a defensive midfielder. You then call that a "crap argument".
He played as one of the two advanced midfielders - he was even higher up the pitch than Pogba FFS!
I agree. He's not a young player either so can't afford to waste his career. There will be clubs out there who will line up to sign him if we put him in the market tomorrow. At a lower team he will be useful as he was for Everton where once upon a time he was well regarded.
That said I expect him to remain until the summer.
He player as a DM yesterday? Wait, what
Because you can't expect them not to attack, at least a bit. West Ham for instance attacked us a bit. Boro played traore downing and negredo all who are decent attackers so initially it must have been expected that they would at least attack more than they did.
Same as above. They didn't really involve in a lot of attacks so mou removed Fellaini and Smalling.
It's a moot point as Herrera clearly was the DM yesterday, with Fellaini and Pogba ahead of him in a 4-3-3.
A fecking huge part of Fellaini's job when playing in that role, I suppose, is to contribute to our attacking play in some capacity when deployed there. He didn't.
I can see the value in him being deployed a bit deeper against physically tough opponents, but my issue is we've got arguably several other players that can bring that physicality (and offering better defensive protection) while at the same time being decent footballers.
Herrera had the Carrick role against Boro. Fellaini and Pogba were somewhat alternating in supporting Zlatan up top. Even if people don't believe he contributed well, one thing he did do was stop a possible goal. I thought watching the game he played well in his given role and it seems like Mou was more than pleased with him as well. That's the thing about having a solid squad. United has always had squad players when called upon by managers that will perform and for the most part Fellaini seems to be fulfilling that role for his manager - and that makes him a proper United player. They don't all have to be super stars.
Sorry my friend, he was anything but a DM.
Pogba seemed to drop deep to receive the ball. He does that literally every game?
Imo he was started as a DM but moved forward as the game moved on. Fair enough if that isn't the case.
Pogba's clearly, clearly, our most advanced midfielder when played with Carrick/Herrera.
But seeing as you think Fellaini was a DM (???) yesterday I can see how you're confused.
And yes, Pogba does pick the ball up in deep positions - and makes things happen. Fellaini stops our attacking momentum and rolls the ball backwards or sideways really slowly.
Pogba is literally everywhere. He is in our box in a minute and in 10 seconds he reaches the other box. Comes deep receives the ball and passes it forward to Zlatan or Valencia. Fellaini is obviously incomparable to him seeing as how he is a backup midfielder.
We created lots of chances even yesterday and how many chances we actually lost to 'momentum' yesterday at all?
So pleased he subbed him! He was probably the least effective player on the pitch yesterday. Mourinho's post-match comments were very likely aimed to build his confidence.
My point is this: If we're playing against a side parking the bus, then picking Fellaini ahead of Mata is unnecessary and lessens the probability of us winning.
I also think playing Fellaini ahead of, for instance, Carrick, Herrera or Pogba when all are available lessens our chances of winning, because he's a much poorer midfielder than them in all those roles.
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