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Fair enough. As you were!The worst was Hargreaves. A lot of posters here thought he was the second coming. Despite being awful when fit.
Just as some people are desperate to see him fail.
Hargreaves was awful when fit?
Hm... Maybe I missed something..
Hm... Maybe I missed something..
He's only here due to having the fortune of getting injured just at the right time. 
He's looked good. It's actually really nice to have a player that can win a high ball in midfield. But his technical ability is nowhere near as bad as people have made out, he's strong on the ball and is able to distribute it well.
Give us a quick summary, Sults...
I read it. Dont remember that he wrote that.
And even if he did, I dont remember him being awful when fit!
You'd think he was some bricklaying hammer thrower the way some label him, he has decent technical ability, he's done alright the last 3 games, i just don't understand how people can single him out as a negative just now.
Only hope he can carry his form on, because he's rightfully keeping Hererra/Mata on the bench at the moment so fair play to him.
I thought he did relatively well to shepherd Toure towards the wing and discourage him from turning infield. The pass down the wing was the only one he really left open, and although it was a dangerous enough situation it could have been dealt with. The 'sticking with him' point was more to do with what Fellaini did after the pass, namely positioning himself against any late run by Toure towards the box rather than sprinting towards the ball/into the penalty area himself.
'There was something about him I didn't like' ... Ferguson describes 'disaster' Hargreaves as one of his worst signings
That doesnt mean he was awful when fit does it?
That's a pretty damning statement from Sir Alex. Read between the lines.
Earlier I said:
And you replied:
Now you are asking these things be stated!
There seems to be a lack of consistency here regarding your opinion.
Last season people were saying "Fellaini was poor" and that is exactly what they stated. Your logic suggests that means he is a terrible footballer but that's not true, it goes without saying that people mean he was poor relative to the expectation but on an absolute level he is an excellent footballer as he made in not just as a professional but to Everton and then United in the premier league.
It goes without saying it was a relative statement and each and every poster on here should not have to state exactly what they mean.
Like this it goes without saying if Fellaini is as you suggested 'dismal' in areas other than set pieces then he will not be selected for Manchester United's first team.
It is also my right to point out an error in your response. In the future you might respond to me and I think your expectation I should state everything I mean is unfair, there are things that go without saying.
If I say "RVP should not be dropped if he scores", from this it should be obvious I mean he scores frequently or has a good goals to game ratio and also it means assuming he is not 'dismal' in other areas.
I should not have to say "RVP should not be dropped if he scores with the frequency he has in previous seasons, his build up play is still good although it does not need to be excellent since he is contributing much needed goals and also I would like his defending from corners to be good, this is an area where we are short and his heading ability will be important. If he performs dismal other than scoring then I think he needs to be dropped" and so on.
Well it is not difficult to realise that poster did not mean "If Fellaini is a danger at set pieces but dismal in all other areas of his game then he should be a regular starter for us".
Nope, they wren't. But ok fair enough, feel free to disagree.
Yup. Whole heartedly agree with the sentiment. Apparently any dissenters of the nuevo altered pro Fellaini narrative (on the back of a couple decent performances where the formation was rejigged to accommodate his talents mind) are summarily dismissed as blind irrational haters. When at the very core the issue is about him stylistically and technically being unsuited to a club of the magnitude of United. People seem to have let their standards go on the basis of last season and seem quite content with what he brings to the table in terms of intermittent functionality and that's a pity because nowhere else in Europe would one find a player that brings so much aesthetic and technical displeasure at an elite club. I can bear inconsistent midfield performances from Herrera or Di Maria because there's evidence of progressive football, albeit in flashes at times. But woe be to those who yearn for a superior breed of footballer to the affable Afro. Might not be our sole area of concern. But a concern none the less. And has to be highlighted. Because dude can be a detriment to the style of football I grew up watching as United fan, which was the primary reason of me gravitating towards the club in the first place.
He goes on to say he took the easy option in training.
That seems a bit harsh!
If I remember correctly Ferguson's main gripe with Hargreaves was everything else bar the actually football... I remember him saying he was fine/good when he did play, it was just how it ended (with Hargreaves saying he was treated "like shit") among injuries and what not why Ferguson isn't all that fond of him.
Did well again, really should have scored the header though he was 6 yards out ffs.
He started Hargreaves in the Champions League final his first year here, so I'm not sure Sir Alex considered him a disaster on the pitch... up to that point at least..
I read between the lines and still dont think that means he was awful when fit.
Fergie didnt like him being injured all the time, not cause he was awful when he was on the pitch or sthing.
Do you have your own opinion on the matter or just go along Fergie's book.
Cause my opinion is that he certainly wasnt awful when fit.
I suspect he's been made some sort of a scapegoat because of his association with Moyes. A lot of negativity towards Moyes has been chanelled his way I feel, which is too bad but he would just have to suck it up. If the rest of our season turns out well and he plays a good part in it then he should break that connection. But til then, the "Moyes is gone, so why are you still here?" sentiment continues to linger.
Quite
I asked myself last season if any of the big European clubs would have him anywhere near the team. Even after a few energetic performances I've not changed my mind.
Wov just wov.
How is that dude detriment to the style of football you grew up watching exactly?
Rest of the post is hard to read too.
Thing is, his style of play has been fine and hasn't looked out of place the last few games. If he keeps up his current level of performance on a consistent basis I see no reason why he shouldn't be a regular starter.
He does look out of place though. He's big and lanky and looks a bit silly and that will forever count against him in the eyes of some.
In football matters I'd actually have to bow to Sir Alex's opinions over mine. Injuries are unfortunate part of football. Sir Alex is not daft to criticise a player due to injuries.
His a target man, he can hold the ball up well.
Strength is fantastic, but anything else he does is clumsy!
He played better against Chelsea but couldn't do what he done to Fabregas with Yaya Toure.
If we had a strong CM he wouldn't be on the pitch, unfortunately Blind, Herrera and Di Maria ain't physical enough for the PL imho and Fellaini has that ability so got game time.
7/10
Strength is fantastic, but anything else he does is clumsy!
He played better against Chelsea but couldn't do what he done to Fabregas with Yaya Toure.
If we had a strong CM he wouldn't be on the pitch, unfortunately Blind, Herrera and Di Maria ain't physical enough for the PL imho and Fellaini has that ability so got game time.
7/10
I can think of atleast 5/6 players who were piss-poor overall (bar small peiods) today.. Fellaini isnt one of them!
Read up the Hargreaves thread to know my opinion.
I'm not so eager to know your opinion on him to read up that thread.
Anyway its offtopic so carry on.
He rarely gave the ball away & was well capable of passing to feet - with both feet, to keep possession..
Well pleased with him today & against Chelsea too. He has mental strength - unlike so many players in our team!
To be fair, with 11 men the first 30mins our midfield with Fellaini were on top, putting Toure on the backfoot.
Neville i think mentioned it to boot, something ala "Defensively Toure doesn't know whats going on right now"
then we lost a man and Toure had license and room to get forward which is his forte, sadly.
Holding the ball up, and being good with his head are qualities more suited to a striker. A midfielder dictates the flow of the game, creates and protects his defence. I'm not sure of the role he plays to be honest.
Which new updated version of the last one is that then?
Sultan, I usually agree with you on football matters, but the difference Fellaini has made when playing over Herrera is huge. we no longer get run over in midfield (at least aginst Chelsea and City). That alone means he should play right now. He might not be the long term fix (I hope he is - I like his style), but right now he brings something our midfield badly lacks.
Am I the only one who thinks the headed chance was not as clear cut as it's being made out to be?
Most of the facets of his game are very good. The main thing he lacks is quick feet meaning he's easy to pressure on the ball. The fact he played for most of last season with a back injury made that look a lot worse than it actually was. Now he's fit again, we're seeing a Fellaini that's easily good enough for the team. He's far from just a clogger.
Would he have been a United player had it not been for Moyes?
Just Google the question "Sir Alex criticises Hargreaves in his book"
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