We need a proper winger. Martial isn't a natural winger. I seem to recall one of his former coaches at Monaco saying his preferred position is the space between the opposition right back and centre half starting from the middle and drifting in to that area. It brings him closer to the goal and also enables him to run at defenders using his pace and dribbling ability. For me the best way to use Martial is up top in a 2 with Lukaku like we did in the game against CSKA although they are a very poor side. His confidence would've been sky high after scoring the winner against Spurs and it was a mistake by Mourinho to not start him today.
Marcus Rashford vs Anthony Martial (2017 / 2018 Season)
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For the purpose of rotation in order to rest Lukaku here and there, we can't use Rashford or Martial as a sole striker ? Given what both of them have shown in the past, and this season, i find that difficult to believe.
Upon reflection your right his best spell was probably as an inside left forward under LVG but I do still believe he's a natural striker ideally in a two.
Asking him to operate like a Mane or Hazard from the left is asking too much of him. The same holds true for Rashford.
Now this I agree with (a little
) Bottom line, it's stupid to bench him so much. Just start him in every match ffs.Not under mourinho, but can if they get into the box , our attacking play is getting predictable and very easy to defend against knowing everyone will give it to lukaku because of wingers and 10s inability to get inside the box.
Neither of them are finished articles to guarantee a starting position.
Keep rotating them till some one proves he fully deserves starting position.
Keep rotating them till some one proves he fully deserves starting position.
I rather play Martial up front than Rashford. Rashford is useless in the air and his dribbling in confined spaces is terrible.
Both of them deserve a starting place over Mhiki.
Mikhi doesn't even deserve to be on the bench with his current performance.
rashford is 20 years old , a decent player in the making but would struggle to make the b teams at the really top teams in Europe at the moment . we are 5 or 6 players away from that level ,and while we still have dross like jones , smalling , young , miki , and to a lesser extent fellani , herrrea , mata in the squad that struggle will go on for sometime
This thread was locked when Rashford’s form took a dip it seems. Unlocked again now.
Anyway, shoutout to both. Rashford was excellent in midweek I think.
Anyway, shoutout to both. Rashford was excellent in midweek I think.
The biggest difference between them is the close control imo, and that is not something easily trained, you've either got it or you don't.
Martial is also the better finisher, but that is a gap Rashford can close considering they are two years apart.
Martial is also the better finisher, but that is a gap Rashford can close considering they are two years apart.
Martial is a level above and seems to finally have Jose's support. I think Martial will start the derby tomorrow and that says a lot.
I think the age gap is important. Rashford is more, well, ‘Rash’ in my opinion. I can see an obvious improvement with more experience and composure thankfully.
Well I don't about the age gap. Things like control and such are very much inate and come naturally at a very young age. Martial himself in his debut season was around Rashford's current age and he still somehow looked a more skillful and composed player with better touch and ball control. Heck some would argue that Martial was better in his first season than he's currently and Rashford has yet to replicate such feats.
Yea, that is one aspect though. Rashford doesn’t have the close control Martial has, but with age, he will learn how to better use the assets he DOES have I think.
I don’t think he makes the right choices often enough, and is just generally in too much of a hurry to do everything. A bit more calmness will take him further.
I agree that Rashford can and hopefully will still improve, but I don't entirely agree that he would struggle to get into the B teams of other top teams. He'd perhaps struggle to get much game time at PSG (who are stacked in terms of attacking talent) and Madrid. Saying that at Madrid, with Bale out for most of the season he'd probably get in ahead of Vasquez on the right. At Barca he'd get more minutes than their B team players in Deulofeu and Alcacer. Bayern could really do with the pace of Rashford, especially with Robben and Ribery injured for periods of the season and coming to the end of their careers. At Juve, I don't see why Rashford wouldn't get more game time than Cuadrado. Either way, my point is that Rashford is a top talent.
On the topic of whether he's better than Martial, I think there are games where Rashford's directness is needed. But generally on the left wing, I'd prefer Martial due to his superior close control and dribbling.
Martial and Rashford same level. Martial more natural skill Rashford better movement. I suspect Rashford is just being rested or rotated with an equally deserving Martial.
Martial at the moment, especially on the wing.
I think Rashford has lost half a yard of pace, after bulking up a bit in the summer but hopefully will get it back, he's still developing and as others have said his movement is brilliant.
I think Rashford has lost half a yard of pace, after bulking up a bit in the summer but hopefully will get it back, he's still developing and as others have said his movement is brilliant.
More likely because we don't do mega threads and don't want threads that compare two players to get bumped every time some one scores a goal or misses a sitter.
When Rashford is on the ball he gets the crowd going, when Martial gets the ball it's not usually that same positive feeling, so Rashford for me.
With Martial, he might do something spectacular to make people forget about the rubbish 88 mins of being dispossessed 8 times out of 10 and not being too arsed in general, last 2 outings of Martial have been positive though i admit, so maybe he's turned a corner, let's see!
Also too much emphasis is put on 'close control' as a means of judging how good a player is - Robben/Gareth Bale aren't blessed with close control yet 2 of the most dynamic/lethal forward players in football last 10 years.
With Martial, he might do something spectacular to make people forget about the rubbish 88 mins of being dispossessed 8 times out of 10 and not being too arsed in general, last 2 outings of Martial have been positive though i admit, so maybe he's turned a corner, let's see!
Also too much emphasis is put on 'close control' as a means of judging how good a player is - Robben/Gareth Bale aren't blessed with close control yet 2 of the most dynamic/lethal forward players in football last 10 years.
No disrespect intended but do you go to old Trafford? Because that couldn't be further from the truth.
And I don't get the Robben comment, his close control is elite.
Robben doesn't have close control, what next ronaldo and messi are not good finishers.
Imo this comparison does Rashford little favours as he's currently so raw. Things Martial does well like finishing and close control are talents that aren't easily learnt regardless how good a prospect.
I think Rashford is the kind of talent who once he figures things out masters them almost immediately but it's still a tall order to expect him to have Martial's polish anytime soon. I'm excited at the thought of partnering them in 4-5 years but the insistence on Lukaku could easily dent that.
I think Rashford is the kind of talent who once he figures things out masters them almost immediately but it's still a tall order to expect him to have Martial's polish anytime soon. I'm excited at the thought of partnering them in 4-5 years but the insistence on Lukaku could easily dent that.
How can one post get so much wrong
Well Rashford’s close control isn’t exactly poor.
Point i was making is Bale/Robben are regarded as speed merchants and rely on pace more so than tricky and skill, similar to Rashford in that sense.
Point i was making is Bale/Robben are regarded as speed merchants and rely on pace more so than tricky and skill, similar to Rashford in that sense.
Yeah definitely the opposite. You can even hear the crowd's excitement on the telly once Martial starts sizing up his man
Well from the very first post, this was always going to be a mega-thread by its very nature, and run the course of the season as it’s title suggests.
That's my impression too,
I feel completely opposite. Rashford can be exciting on the ball but he is way more predictable and usually tries to run past defender. Pogba and Martial are on another level on the ball and have much better dribbling/ball control.
What the title suggests isn't what the thread will be. If it gets long or devolves into the usual point scoring then its gone.
How can one post get so much wrong
Giggs "Rashford gets you off your seat"
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...shford-gets-you-off-your-seat-says-ryan-giggs
Same thing i said.
"Martial frustrates and loses the ball regularly" and "doesn't look arsed" I'm not the only person to say that on here and another Manchester United legend recently said the same thing about Martial:-
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/gary-neville-anthony-martial-united-11431557
If that's still not good enough for you, how about from the horses mouth on his own performances last season:-
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ll-news/man-utd-news-anthony-martial-13959811
"I wasn't really focused."
This season other than the last couple of games where he's started and played ok, hence me saying "maybe he's turned a corner" he's started from the bench.
So where am i so wrong?
Gonna happen regardless. Better to have that shit here than in the individual player threads as the Martial one especially became unreadable with that discussion there.
They can start a new one. No need for endlessly long threads.
Robben has immense close control. Probably the best dribbler, at pace, next to Messi/Hazard.
I’d say both Rashford and Martial get you off your seat but more so Martial for me. And it seems similar on telly with the fans in the stadium imo.
Right now its Martial thats got Managers attention and rightly so. He should start the derby
Shock the British pundits favouring the English lad over the French one. Pundits chat utter shite most of the time, best ignored to form your own opinion.
I've been to old Trafford plenty of times over the last couple seasons and Martial definitely generates a buzz when he gets the ball. I'm not saying that rashford doesn't get people off their seats but Martial just carries so much more threat for me.
I'm also baffled at the idea that Robben doesn't have close control and dribbling, he's one of the elites in that regard. In fact I would say that Martial reminds me a lot of Robben with their positions (and feet) inverted. Both look to dribble inside and get off shots. Rashford is just a much weaker player at this point in all honestly.
Martial is having a great year so far. Best goal per minutes ratio (alongside Saleh) in the league (minimum 500 minutes played). Well on his way to eclipsing his numbers during his first year here.
Another Martial fan here. I think he is more talented than Rashford. But both of these players are not finished products. In the end I think attitude of the player will make them great or average. Reminds me of Ronaldo and Depay, both were talented, former had a great attitude and he worked hard to become world class, Depay had questionable attitude and didn't quite make it.
Rashford is young and I think he has some attitude issues (even Martial had that but he is getting better), Jose gave him a good telling off in one of the games. I think he is not at all happy playing on the right and he kind of shows it in him game. But I hope he improves quickly as time is not on his side viz. Man Utd's.
Rashford is young and I think he has some attitude issues (even Martial had that but he is getting better), Jose gave him a good telling off in one of the games. I think he is not at all happy playing on the right and he kind of shows it in him game. But I hope he improves quickly as time is not on his side viz. Man Utd's.
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