The most they've paid is £150k. Theyl need to go a bit higher and Rashford will need to want the move too
Marcus Rashford (out)
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I reckon he will play against Palace on February 2nd
Couldn’t afford Harry’s so how can they get anywhere near Rashford’s?
Rashford doesn't fit in Amorim's system. I have no ill will towards Rashford, have supported him his whole time at the club. If it's time to move on, good luck to him, time comes for everyone. All the vitriol seems wildly misplaced.
To be fair a lot of our former players who weren’t good enough have won Serie A titles, Damian, Young, Mkhitaryan and Alexis. Mctominay and Rashford may well end up on that list but there really shouldn’t be any fear about letting these sort of players go.
We’ve been way too slow to let players go previously and hopefully that is now changing.
Is Rashford still training with the first team squad?
You make some good points and I believe he is capable of being a productive player, that's a good point referencing Havertz but I'd also argue that Chelsea as a selling club seem to be a rule unto themselves with the value they seemingly are able to get when selling, i would not be surprised if something was uncovered later on as they sell 10x better than any other big club in the PL.
Havertz (If we are comparing) also was playing a decent level, Chelsea didn't say they want rid of him, the player didn't publicly ask for a new challenge and it's quite well thought of that Rashford has application/ attitude issues. The issue isn't "He went clubbing", it's him regularly doing things that don't look great, that regularly reference that football or Manchester United isn't his priority anymore.
I wouldn't be against a straight loan if we don't get the fee we want as I do think he would look good at a club like Barcelona as 90% of the teams they play are not at the level of a PL team and he will naturally look 10x better.
I don't think it's about solely stats but if you'd like to go down that road, let's look at this season and last and he has a goal or assist every 3 and that's the story of his career bar 2 half seasons where he exploded and showed ridiculous consistency, I would take Dibling from Southampton who they managed to sign for £21m so I think it's definitely possible to find someone who can give us a similar return especially if they are low on contract such as Jonathan David.
Anyway I don't mean to make this personal, I agree that we should get as much as we can for this player and we created a big problem by giving him a contract until 2028, if we wanted to pay him off and someone offered him £150k a year then at the moment he has 3.5 years of his £350k contract and he would only move if we paid off the difference. (350-150 = 200 x 52 x 3.5) is over £36m and if the club want's this £20m net figure for PSR that means we have to sell him for £56m and get him to agree a contract with another club on a lower fee.
It's not that in a perfect world he would be worth more, he would. On his day he's top class, but that does is too infrequent and with his other baggage (Wage, Attitude etc) the realistic side of me can't see us getting more for him, I probably would loan him out to a club I believe he will bang them in and revisit in the summer.
I do agree that the best path for United is to find another club for him, but not if it means covering most of his wages while playing for that other club. If PSG or a Saudi club is willing to give us 20m I'd take it and be done with him.
But if we can't find another club for Rashford due to his wage demands I do think we can make use of him as a squad man. It's true that his football IQ is limited but his pace and power, which admittedly has diminished over the years, could still come in handy when games are stretched. But he has to be willing to put in the work, otherwise we're stuck with a high wage player rotting on the bench.
Was Harry permanent?
Will they have to fund ALL of Rashfords salary on loan? Doubt it very much.
Also - they are absolutely desperate for a forward. Were they absolutely desperate for a CB?
Make no mistake about it, Rashford is a far bigger coup than Maguire would ever be - and let’s face it no matter what publicity Rashford has had, you can clearly see the lad just wants to play football every week.
He isn't going to West Ham, not while Milan, Dortmund and whoever else are snooping around.
Without him being in the team/squad the team has improved vastly in it's application, both mentally and physically, I'd be concerned that might change if he performed as he has been with his apparent lack of effort and demeanour
Wants to play football every weel? Rather jog around on the pitch and then go partying with his friends
Yeh I’m not saying he’ll go to West Ham, but I can see West Ham pulling out all the stops to try and sign him.
Of course if a move to Milan is on the cards, as a young lad your taking it all day long.
Does he, I'm not so sure about that, there's a big difference between playing shite and being off-form than there is to just not appearing to make an effort, as fans, most of us can accept a player in bad form but trying, what we most of us can't accept is playing site with little too no effort
If Rashford really does just want to play football he has 2 paths, he can clear his head and get to work and play like he means it, or he can accept his time at United is over and that he is prepared to take a pay cut to play
Yes, this does need to be remembered.
But it's the last 18 months that have been such a disappointing write off. And unfortunately it seems to be attitude related rather than ability.
We'd all feel more sympathy if it was an aging player who couldn't quite do what he used to, but still put max effort in when he did play.
Aye, and if he's not pushed about being a footballer, there is another path. He can do what he likes and pick up his wages at United until his contract expires.
Ahh, the transition into Lingard is complete!
He downed tools for the new manager, not sure how you came up with this
No he didn't down tools for the new manager, his apparent lack of effort was patently obvious last season, the tools just remained in the drawer
West Ham is his level. I highly doubt he would consider moving there, but hopefully Lingard can put a positive word in his ear.
The Milan speculation seems the strongest so far, but I understand a move for Kyle Walker would scupper a Rashford deal due to filling their three non-EU slots.
The Milan speculation seems the strongest so far, but I understand a move for Kyle Walker would scupper a Rashford deal due to filling their three non-EU slots.
An example of why we are where we are:
In the last 4 and half seasons in the PL:
Rashford:
Games 145 G43 A19
Newcastle backup Harvey Barnes:
Games 132 G38 A19
In the last 4 and half seasons in the PL:
Rashford:
Games 145 G43 A19
Newcastle backup Harvey Barnes:
Games 132 G38 A19
It's a bad situation all the way around. Behind Door #1 we could fund his wages while playing for say Arsenal or West Ham. Behind Door #2 we could sell him for 20m, ideally to PSG or AC Milan, and be done with this nightmare. Behind Door #3 we could let him rot on the bench while paying him 350k/week.
Door #2 is by the best option, but his wages will probably in the end scare off even PSG. I would oppose Door #1 under any circumstances. Door #3 is a terrifying thought.
I don't recall any other player in his prime playing years being in this position before -- not wanted by his club but so vastly overpaid relative to his actual ability that no other club seems willing to take on his contract.
Was hoping napoli would come in for this waster. Play him down the left and get him for around a third of garnacho fee
His ego wouldn't allow him to go to West Ham. In his mind he's a superstar after that 30 goal season, in which he hit 17 league goals.
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You mean there is competition for Rashford. So There are actually clubs who want him. Odd because someone on here told me that we would need to give him away to Arsenal. Someone actually said that Arsenal would need to save us. Interesting haha
They are interested to take him on loan while we subsidize his salary, tbf. I don't think there's been a single link of anyone actually paying us a quid.
I'm not absolving Rashford of responsibility for the downturn in his career. He absolutely has responsibility but the club also has some fault. The reality is that since Sir Alex there have been no players who have lived up to expectations except for maybe Bruno and we have spent over £1.6 Billion on transfers in the past 12 years. There is a deeper problem than Rashford that players come through United and their careers seem to die.
Everyone loves to criticize Rashford but won't admit that we have basically been playing a level about relegation football as a team for the past 18 months.
Rashford isn't a £100M player but he certainly isn't a £20M player. No club will sell us a player with Rashford talent for £20M, so why are we selling him for £20M.
So send Rashford to a better club on loan in an easier league and allow him to raise his value. There is so much money in football that £20M is an insult.
I checked, he’ll be on the top appearance makers as well on the official United website. Pretty impressive too.
I think getting the balance right is key. To downplay his goal scoring and appearances just seems wrong, especially as a local lad; however, with context, him and the likes of Luke Shaw and Martial kind of become symbolic of an era that really hasn’t been a good one for us. They’re those players that were around for so long and were injured/inconsistent/ and part of teams that made so many negative records and disappointments.
His stats arnt actually that bad if you look at it in isolation. The issue is for the amount of money we are paying him, he isnt really value for money.
If MR was on 120k a week and was called Marcus O'Rashford. Nobody would care about him in the media. But when you are young, English and making best part of 400k a week, the spotlight is going to be on you and you have to deliver. MR has shown he is not capable of carrying that expectation so its better he leaves and finds his level, and we can spend that 400k a week on a couple of top players.
He’s already checked out mentally and doesn’t fancy the fight to get back into the squad. The sooner he goes the better for overall squad morale.
How the team has been playing and how crap we have been isn't an excuse for lack of effort which is the main issue United fans have with Rashford, he's also been unprofessional at times, partying in Belfast being an example, if you don't put the effort in how talented you are is meaningless
Where can you see that from? Doesn’t put it in during training, so not included. Ruben has stated numerous times that’s his requirement. Marcus obviously isn’t, so how do you come to that conclusion?
The only thing that really matters is that Amorim, after a couple weeks of spending nearly every day with him, has decided he isn’t worth having in the team—a team with a lack of forward players who can score. Amorim who is reputed to be an excellent man manager. I’ve always rooted for the guy, but he doesn’t have a future here.
Amazing isn't it and that's while playing in some of the worst United teams ever.
Which he contributed to. He has been pathetic for 3 out of the last 4 years now