You would swap Rashford for Grealish?
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Really needed to be nailing one if not both of those today. Wish Cavani was a couple of years younger
so that's 2 of the 7. Less than one per game.
You would swap Rashford for Grealish?
I personally wouldn't, but tbf Grealish is a phenomenal player
Well so is Rashy, although inconsistent he's a game changer and a big game player. He needs to improve a LOT but he has all the potential to do so. But it also requires patience from the fanbase and the staff too.
I'd take Grealish though but not at the expense of Rashford who is our own, born n bred red, you can't buy that.
Thought he had a decent game today, not one of his better ones but was dangerous through out and scored a good goal.
Won’t hang him out to dry over missed chances as per say but deserves a bit of stick for the poor header. 13 goals is a good return so far and as far as I’m concerned he is getting enough, I’m more worried about the records of other players.
Won’t hang him out to dry over missed chances as per say but deserves a bit of stick for the poor header. 13 goals is a good return so far and as far as I’m concerned he is getting enough, I’m more worried about the records of other players.
Oh yeah I love having players coming through our youth system, loving the club etc. Apparently Beckham was terrified as a kid that because he's from London he wouldn't make our youth squad
Thank kind of love inspires success, and I feel we have potential with the hardworking values of Rashford, McTominay, Bruno etc.Another week, another performance from Rashford reminding us he’s a 1 in 5 finisher. You can’t rely on that to win titles.
18% conversion Tony and Marcus have on over 150 chances.
Statistically horrible finishers. In times you need them the most, horrible finishers.
A lot of posters can't see beyond stats with Rashford. You bring up the fact that Rashford had a poor game and the response you'll get is "but he has x goals + assists".
Rashford can play 3 games. In one he could play incredibly and score 2 goals and get an assist. The next two he could play terribly and get no goals or assists. If you bring up the fact he played poorly in one or two of the games, its easy to say "but he had 3 goals + assists in 3 games". Its such an obvious cop out.
Rashford has good stats and some good performances but he has been extremely inconsistent this season. He's had as many poor games as good ones.
Rashford can play 3 games. In one he could play incredibly and score 2 goals and get an assist. The next two he could play terribly and get no goals or assists. If you bring up the fact he played poorly in one or two of the games, its easy to say "but he had 3 goals + assists in 3 games". Its such an obvious cop out.
Rashford has good stats and some good performances but he has been extremely inconsistent this season. He's had as many poor games as good ones.
I wish Rashford would add a bit more finess and precision to his finishing. He seems to go for power every time.
Agreed. A lack of maturity is the problem. He has the gift of striking the ball with incredible power, but Schmeichel hopefully taught him a lesson today that taking a bit of power off the shot and adding placement to it can be more effective. We needed that goal today to put the game away and win us the two extra points.
If he had any consistency he'd be one of the best players in the league. It's the difference between him and players like Son and Mane
I am frustrated that he misses chances but it's a positive that they're coming regularly.
On the other hand, I'm more concerned with his lack of involvement in games.
He scores, but goes very quiet for long periods of the game before popping up again.
I wish he'd offer a threat more regularly.
Its not a secret that Marcus seems to terrify players when he goes at them.
On the other hand, I'm more concerned with his lack of involvement in games.
He scores, but goes very quiet for long periods of the game before popping up again.
I wish he'd offer a threat more regularly.
Its not a secret that Marcus seems to terrify players when he goes at them.
50th PL goal for him today, 3rd youngest player to reach that landmark behind Rooney and Ronaldo
I wouldn't be too worried about his missed chances as he can finish very well (like the first goal today).
However, he doesn't work hard enough off the ball. Him and Martial both have this problem and it needs to be addressed.
However, he doesn't work hard enough off the ball. Him and Martial both have this problem and it needs to be addressed.
He has 12 goals from 55 shots across the CL and PL. That's a conversion rate of 22%.
He's in the same ballpark as most of the other best strikers in Europe. You guys are just remembering the misses more because they've personally hurt you as United fans.
*EL instead of CL
He's in the same ballpark as most of the other best strikers in Europe. You guys are just remembering the misses more because they've personally hurt you as United fans.
| Goals | Shots | Conversion rate | |
| Rashford | 12 | 55 | 22% |
| Kane* | 10 | 64 | 16% |
| Ronaldo | 16 | 68 | 24% |
| Messi | 10 | 113 | 9% |
| Lewandowski | 20 | 65 | 31% |
| Salah | 16 | 58 | 28% |
| Mane | 6 | 49 | 12% |
| Son* | 13 | 32 | 41% |
| Mbappe | 14 | 61 | 23% |
| Haaland | 16 | 49 | 33% |
*EL instead of CL
wow really good numbers and it still doesn't feel like he's hit any kind of form this season
Feels like 1in20 though.
If you give him chances he'll score. He's been battered around in a bunch of different positions, playing a bunch of different roles. My opinion hasn't changed, put him up front and give him chances and I'll be happy if we create10 for him and he scores 2 a game. We're miles away from anything like that at the moment though every position has a bunch of mess littered around it. Guys playing out of postition, player who should be playing in a spot but cant but then have to be called on in other positions. The squad is still a massive mess, Rashford is rising to the top of it which is massively commendable. I'd much rather see Martial/Rashford/Cavani up front with proper wide players and Bruno in behind, but that is miles away.
Interesting.
He is developing into a quality player. This season he seems to have kicked on more than ever.
If they can sort his should injury so he is not having to play through pain then he may be even better. Just lacks a little consistency but contributes still.
My concern is his lack of a footballing brain.
The amount of times he is offside is a clear indicator that once his pace has gone, he will not be able to adapt his game to offer anything to the team.
The amount of times he is offside is a clear indicator that once his pace has gone, he will not be able to adapt his game to offer anything to the team.
I would really like to know if he makes extra-training with Cavani.
Not sure why he is getting so much heat for his performance today, he was a threat right throughout the game. He missed the sitter (terrible miss has to be said, as Rodgers alluded to probably came to early in the game), the second miss was a good save from Schmeichel, and he took his goal well.
To be fair, he gets in goal scoring positions more than any other player in our team, and without him we have zero movement or threat in behind. Crucial player, and he's delivering goals or assists almost every other game at the moment. What more do you want from your winger? Him and Bruno are bailing out Martial and Greenwood for their lack of contribution this season, if one of those was hitting 10+ goals so far as well this season that would make a huge difference.
To be fair, he gets in goal scoring positions more than any other player in our team, and without him we have zero movement or threat in behind. Crucial player, and he's delivering goals or assists almost every other game at the moment. What more do you want from your winger? Him and Bruno are bailing out Martial and Greenwood for their lack of contribution this season, if one of those was hitting 10+ goals so far as well this season that would make a huge difference.
A quick update to the table:
*EL instead of CL
If you take penalties and freekicks out of the equation, Rashford has been better than everyone other than Lewa, Haaland and Son.
| Goals | Shots | Set piece shots | Set pieces scored | Penalties | Penalties scored | Total conversion rate | Non-penalty conversion rate | Open play conversion rate | |
| Rashford | 12 | 55 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 22% | 20% | 22% |
| Kane* | 10 | 64 | 20 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 16% | 13% | 17% |
| Ronaldo | 16 | 68 | 13 | 1 | 7 | 6 | 24% | 16% | 19% |
| Messi | 10 | 113 | 29 | 1 | 6 | 5 | 9% | 5% | 5% |
| Lewandowski | 20 | 65 | 17 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 31% | 27% | 33% |
| Salah | 16 | 58 | 10 | 2 | 6 | 6 | 28% | 19% | 19% |
| Mane | 6 | 49 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 12% | 12% | 14% |
| Son* | 13 | 32 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 41% | 41% | 39% |
| Mbappe | 14 | 61 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 23% | 16% | 17% |
| Haaland | 16 | 49 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 33% | 31% | 32% |
*EL instead of CL
If you take penalties and freekicks out of the equation, Rashford has been better than everyone other than Lewa, Haaland and Son.
Really? I always thought the timing of his runs is incredible. Look at the goals against SHU, West Ham, Newcastle, Leipzig just off the top of my head. He either bends his run, or delays for that split second.
My concern is the lack of a footballing brain from people accusing him of lacking a footballing brain.
That's a fair enough comment.
I think my disappointment at the easy chances that he misses, are making me become over-critical of other aspects of his game.
See above
His movement recently has been great. Huge improvements.
He is fanastic. He could be more clinical but he's not a striker, he's an inside forward or whatever. Plays best coming in from the side and shouldn't be our main goalscorer. Annoyingly martial hasn't hit his stride yet so there is more pressure on Rashford to score. Lads having an excellent season so far, even if he has had a few poorer performances.
The stick that Rashford gets from our own fans is so baffling; fans of other clubs rate him, he's scored 80 goals for us and he's not yet at his peak.
He had three big chances today, and only converted one, but I'm a lot more concerned about the other striker whose movement brought him no big chances.
He had three big chances today, and only converted one, but I'm a lot more concerned about the other striker whose movement brought him no big chances.
Don't worry, I often fall into the same pitfall. The reason I think that Rashford is worth the patience and frustration is because of his evolution over the last couple of seasons.
He's changed his game and he has increased his output. He's still almost as wasteful, but his goals have increased because he's now getting 3/4 chances a game as opposed to maybe just 1, or none under Mourinho.
I think that will cause us as fans short term frustration, but from a coaching point of view you'd rather a player who scores 1 in every 3 than a more clinical finisher who doesn't get in goalscoring positions enough (Martial), because it shows that he's learning how to be effective and how to consistently get in those positions.
Now the conversion rate isn't where it need to be, but generally speaking, attackers increase their conversion rate with experience. I hope when Rashford hits his prime in 3-4 years, we will start seeing Mo Salah type of numbers from him. For me, his learning and understanding of the game now is laying the foundations of becoming a 30 goal a season foward, if he can improve his finishing. I think he can, because he definitely has it in his locker judging by some of the truly world class finishes he does on a semi regular basis.
His conversion rate is better than Salah's this season.
I never said it wasn't. Salah gets in more goalscoring positions than anyone else in the league, hence why he's always in contention for the golden boot.
I said hopefully Rashford can reach his numbers from a purely goals point of view, not conversion rate. If I was talking about being more clinical, Kane or Son would be more apt. Both of those guys seem to score with their only chances every game.
I would say this post is what is great about this forum.
Whilst opinions are subjective, sometimes those opinions are when we are looking at the smaller picture (i.e. 1 game today against Leicester), rather than the bigger picture (i.e. the good points you make throughout your post).
I have actually been too harsh on Rashford today.
But isn't it great to be disappointed in him having scored only one goal today!
The potential in this team is crazy, I really feel like we're just a couple of big signings away from truly unlocking it. Or am I being sucked into the hope of another false dawn under Ole? Who knows. At least there is something to latch onto these days.
This type of thing annoys me especially as Mané and Son are in their prime while Rashford is still developing.
Son is having a fantastic start to the the season but he's never scored at his current rate before and Rashford comfortably outscored him last season. As for Mané, he is a good player but not significantly more consistent in his output than Rashford.
Rashford's record vs Mané's last season and so far this season are very close. Rashford also has the better conversion rate as Dante's shown below.
in 23 appearances he has scored or assisted in 15 individual matches. that's a pretty consistent contribution
I compiled it manually using Whoscored stats plugged into an Excel spreadsheet.
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