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This place. Did you think that when we were winning?
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I think most of the sensible fans enjoyed the recent run of results whilst still being able to recognise that 10 games doesn’t change anything in the context of the last 3/4 seasons
He's not consistent enough to be the leading striker at a club challenging for the title. I love him, and I think he has the potential in him to do that, but he's just not ready yet.
With that in mind I have no idea what we do this summer. Do we sell Lukaku and then go big on a leading striker?
With that in mind I have no idea what we do this summer. Do we sell Lukaku and then go big on a leading striker?
Yeh bet you did. If that's the case then all this upturn has nothing to do will Ole either? There was most of us 'sensible' fans thinking it did....
Feck me Rash and Rom thrown under the bus? Leading striker, who's that then?
Do you really believe we can win the league with one of them leading the line?
Who thinks that? He is a young player and is bound to be inconsistent. A club like United needs options in attack. That's what the £75m number 9 and highest paid player in the league are for.
Anyone who thinks Rashford (at 21) is going to start 38 league games as a number 9 in a title winning team is being completely unrealistic. Just like those who slate him after a couple of below par performances, despite him still looking the most likely player in the team to produce a goal.
They are some of the best young talents in Europe and if they were up for sale, the best clubs in Europe would want them. Wish I could say the same for other players on the team. Said it elsewhere, you aren't winning the league when Wolves have a better midfield than we do. You can be the best forward in the world but you still need someone to pass you the ball. If Pogs isn't playing well or is out the game, who's passing it?
I don’t understand what you’re talking about so let me say this....
I’m 29yrs old and have been watching Manchester Utd regularly for as long as a can remember. I’m a little young to remember peak Cantona and Hughes but I watched the season review videos religiously as a kid and have probably seen every goal and assist 50 times
I do remember regularly watching Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, Solskjaer, RvN, Rooney, Berbatov, Ronaldo and Tevez. I’ve probably been to OT 200+ since 2005 and have barely missed a game in one format or another
The point is not that I am some superfan because i’m sure many on here can beat that. The point is I have SEEN what a “Manchester United” CF looks like in terms of touch, movement, aerial prowess, awareness, physical attributes, attitude, finishing ability, consistency etc...and APART FROM the odd glimpse every few games I see nothing on a regular basis to suggest that Marcus Rashford is now, or ever can be, as good as those players
I’ve seen you on other threads here today calling people knee-jerkers...I’m basing my opinion on Rashford on four seasons of watching him and 23/24 of watching Utd (and football in general)....if that’s knee jerk then I don’t know how we are supposed to ever critically evaluate a player
Also, I know what the standard defence of Rashford is so before anyone starts...at 21/22 Rooney and Ronaldo were regularly starring in games. Scoring and assisting and generally looking every bit like superstars. I remember clearly because they are the same age as me and I grew up watching them. They were monstrous players even as kids who had the odd bad game in 5/6 owing to inexperience. With Marcus, it’s the other way around which is not at all encouraging. Its one good game followed by 4/5 where he can’t even do the basics
I’d love to see Rashford succeed at Utd I really would...however, my fear is we are giving him more rope than his performances deserve BECAUSE we all want to see him succeed so badly. If we’re happy to be “the people’s club” who nurture young talent and field 5/6 local lads whilst coming 2nd/3rd then fine (I actually wouldn’t mind that much) but let’s not kid ourselves about what we are and what we have based on what we WANT to believe
Sorry but you got that completely wrong. Presumably because you were just a kid when Rooney and Ronaldo were the same age Rashford is now. So it’s understandable.
Seeing as your memory is letting you down, go back and have a look at game by game stats from Rooney aged 20. He regularly had long barren spells, where he couldn’t do anything right. In fact one of the most notable things about his early United career was how he only seemed able to score/perform in short hot streaks, never consistently. Remind you of anyone?
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Name the players that played in those teams along with a young Rooney and CR. Then ask yourself how many of those players even on a bad day would walk into this side? Let's not forget the greatest club manager was also here. The best strikers in the world are rarely if ever not playing with equally world class players around them. You might be right but it's completely unfair to compare his journey to others from the past, Rash has no Scholes, Keane, Becks, Giggs et al. That said, Rooney only had scored 4 goals more than Rash at this age.
Yep Knee Jerkers cause the negative comments about players abilities not their performance, only happens when we lose. If Rashford isn't good enough, why is it only highlighted when we lose.
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Rooney was aged 20 in 2006. The most accurate way to compare Rooney and rashford at the same age is look at Rooney from 2006/2007. They were both born around October/ November 12 years apart. That season, Rooney played 53 games and games scored 23 goals. Plus he was contributing to all round play.
I like rashford, but he is no where near young Rooney level.
Even a 2005/06 Rooney was contributing more (49 games and 19 goals). At that time our biggest issue was midfield.
He's one of about four players who are being jammed into a whole host of spots. It's not surprising that his performances come off as "he tried a lot and not much came off". Ole trying to bum some sort of front three or front four together with what he's got is obviously going to have it's short term problems but I think in the long term there is nothing wrong with his work rate, his will and his mentality. The shuffle of the squad needs to come to see where he can land and be influential.
I'm asking me when people say that Rashford or Lukaku arent good enough to lead the line for manchester united, who would they buy then? There seems to be a limited amount of Topclass CF at the moment.
Agüero? Yes, but he plays for City.
Kane? Yes but forget this.
Lewandowski? Already to old in my opinion to invest a lot of money on him.
Messi or Ronaldo? Yes but we wont buy them.
So that leaves us with the likes of Morata, Raul Jimenez, Icardi, Higuain, Benzema, Giroud etc....would you want any of them? I doubt these are that better options than Rash/Lukaku. Maybe there is a young upcoming superstar somewhere where we could gamble, but than he will bound to be inconsistent as well.
IMO we should back our current striker and give them time and patience to develop. We badly need a RW thats for sure, otherwise our offensive options are fine at the moment.
Agüero? Yes, but he plays for City.
Kane? Yes but forget this.
Lewandowski? Already to old in my opinion to invest a lot of money on him.
Messi or Ronaldo? Yes but we wont buy them.
So that leaves us with the likes of Morata, Raul Jimenez, Icardi, Higuain, Benzema, Giroud etc....would you want any of them? I doubt these are that better options than Rash/Lukaku. Maybe there is a young upcoming superstar somewhere where we could gamble, but than he will bound to be inconsistent as well.
IMO we should back our current striker and give them time and patience to develop. We badly need a RW thats for sure, otherwise our offensive options are fine at the moment.
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There was definetly a knee jerk response from some when he had that streak of good form, as if he was world class but just held back by Jose. The commentators before the match demonstrated the point well saying how the instilled confidence meant he was now playing at a top level yet he hasn't looked like that for over a month.
An inconsistent prospect who can't be relied upon yet is his level. Between rotating Lukaku and Rashford you'd hope we have an form striker, Ole just needs to recognise Rashford can be benched
An inconsistent prospect who can't be relied upon yet is his level. Between rotating Lukaku and Rashford you'd hope we have an form striker, Ole just needs to recognise Rashford can be benched
If we were creating chances and Rash was missing them, I get it but that's not the case. People want to polarise players performances outside of the context of the team plays. Yesterday's lose came from individual defensive errors and against Arsenal, we were unlucky but equally had ridden our luck some of the previous games...
With Lukaku and Sanchez injured what were his options?
At that time our “biggest issue” was a storm in a fecking tea-cup compared to the shitty football played at United for the entirety of Rashford’s career to date.
Besides, nothing you’ve posted there contradicts my point. Which is that 20/21 year old Rooney was a streaky player who went through regular barren spells in front of goal and was not a consistent high performer at all.
He was a streaky player but he was a much better footballer than Rashford. Rashford is faster but Rooney was better at literally everything else. And comfortably as well.
Think it's hard to compare Rooney and Rashford cause this isn't golf or tennis, your performances are based on the quality of the others around you. Also Rooney came into a team that was dominating the league so he's learning and transition to becoming a top player under SAF is the polar opposite in circumstance to Rashfords.
Agreed, I don't understand why people kept comparing Rashford with Rooney/Ronaldo, their talent isn't anywhere near comparable, let alone consistency...
We all know Rashford is inconsistent and his low level is beyond ridiculous even for a PL player.
But how about his top level in the games that he does play well in? Has he really reached to the level that he is nailed on to become one of the world's best players in his position?
Rashfords biggest issue is that he needs to realise he’s much more effective when he’s a hard working player who understands his own limitations and works within those to the best of his ability.
When he thinks he’s an Mbappe or Ronaldo - that is when the issues start to occur. He lacks the consistency of their technical ability which is why he can pull of such a range of skills but do so erratically.
I’d rather he simplifies certain aspects of his game so he is more trustworthy in possession (pass more ffs) and then uses his pace to constantly stretch the opposition behind the line instead of coming to feet by allowing others to feed him when he’s on the last shoulder.
Hopefully it will come with maturity. But he needs to be wary there is a lot of english talent coming through and if we did get Sancho and Greenwood breaks through he could find it a uphill struggle if he doesn’t get his attitude right. Ability wise they’re ahead of him IMO but what he has over them is that hunger and aggressiveness (don’t lose it!).
When he thinks he’s an Mbappe or Ronaldo - that is when the issues start to occur. He lacks the consistency of their technical ability which is why he can pull of such a range of skills but do so erratically.
I’d rather he simplifies certain aspects of his game so he is more trustworthy in possession (pass more ffs) and then uses his pace to constantly stretch the opposition behind the line instead of coming to feet by allowing others to feed him when he’s on the last shoulder.
Hopefully it will come with maturity. But he needs to be wary there is a lot of english talent coming through and if we did get Sancho and Greenwood breaks through he could find it a uphill struggle if he doesn’t get his attitude right. Ability wise they’re ahead of him IMO but what he has over them is that hunger and aggressiveness (don’t lose it!).
Greenwood also out with illness.
Rashford was poor yesterday, however he had no service. Isn't that what the Lukaku fans tell us whenever he has a bad game?
People also love to criticise his long range shooting and 'selfishness'. Rashford didn't waste any good chances yesterday, his shots were the result of a lack of chances being created, so he tried to make something happen, either with a goal, or a deflection / rebound, same as PSG.
The idea that Rashford is selfish is stupid, he has clearly been told by the manager to do this, or do you think he has been ignoring the managers orders for 3 months?
Calling him out for a bad game is fine, but it's clear from many posters here it's just the old agenda rearing its head again after 3 months of good performances. The guy needs a rest, that much is obvious. He hasn't looked right since the Liverpool injury.
Rashford has been bad because he has not been getting into positions, he constantly loses the ball and he's been causing the opposition defenses little to no problems. It's bad for us that he's been poor for 5-6 games in a row now and we've got no other options. He could also probably do with a bit of rest which he won't get like many others because of England duties.
It's not an agenda. Why would there be an agenda against Rashford?
Because during the last days of Jose, he was a scapegoat, people were saying he's a championship player etc. Now he's finally had a few bad games and they can crawl out from the shadows. He's also English which triggers a lot of foreign fans on here. He contributed more than Martial yesterday but gets 10x the abuse.
Criticism is abuse now?
He wasn't a scapegoat under José. You're reading some criticism and amplifying it in your mind. There's been a lot of praise for Rashford this season as well. It's just he's been very inconsistent this season and can be frustrating to watch sometimes which is more likely to cause people to comment. The same people should understand that he's 21 years old so inconsistency is normal and he's also had to play a lot under Ole which plays a part in that because when you're tired you're more likely to make mistakes.
Martial played 90 minutes after coming back from injury. Like Herrera and Lingard he essentially got a free pass yesterday.
Not many players have been at Rooney's level at 20. A lot of players have been way better at 29.
Ok pal, the facts say otherwise. Jose had his infamous "this is why I don't play Rashford" and the Jose fans swallowed it whole than spat it back out on here. Not saying Rashford is the only one, lots of players have gone through it over the last 6 months. Not sure why you are responding on behalf of the people I am talking about, I actually mentioned that Rashford had been poor recently. I'm talking about those who made up their mind during Jose's tenure and refuse to change it, despite it being obvious that the last 12 months of Jose's reign he was throwing everyone under his bus.
You're talking about an agenda when there are a couple of people that don't rate him, irrelevant of José as there were few players if any that played more in his tenure.
We would have been 1-0 up in the first ten minutes if he had passed to Martial who was unmarked on the far post. Rashford wanted to score himself and tried to take on two players and lost the ball.
We need a strong player on the pitch who can scare our own players too.
Ole needs to give him the hairdryer treatment.
We need a strong player on the pitch who can scare our own players too.
Ole needs to give him the hairdryer treatment.
Pogue if you watch Rashford and see a player that is anywhere even remotely as good as Ronaldo or Rooney then I’m afraid there’s no helping you
Watching Rooney and Ronaldo was electric. The way they were always at the centre of the game, even as teenagers, the way they took the ball in their stride at pace and went directly at defenders, the way they beat defenders for fun, the one-touch football...you can’t compare any of that statistically with Rashford. Rashford’s lucky if he even gets the ball under control and his crossing, passing and shooting is very wild
I think what frustrates fans is that by blindly buying this hype around players like Rashford it takes the pressure of the club to do what’s necessary and spend money to bring in genuine world class talents. At that point, you keep your Rashfords, Lingards, McTominay’s and Perreira’s but you use them as squad players like the Brown’s, P. Neville’s, Butt’s, O’Shea’s etc....
Since you like popping up on every post without actually offering an opinion I’d like you to tell me how good you believe Rashford is currently and make a prediction about how good he can be?
For what it’s worth, my opinion is that he’s currently mid-table level with the potential to be Top 6. I don’t see him ever being good enough to lead the line for a club with ambitions of winning titles. Just my opinion
I think he is trying too hard at the moment when he tries shooting at ridculous angles. I think he is being overrated by the media - they seem to be praising him left right and center and refusing to criticise whereas they were very quick to criticise Lukaku. I think you touch upon something that Rashford may not be good enough to lead the line. I think at this present moment in time that is correct. He is too inconsistent. However, its difficult to claim that he isn't capable of doing so later on in his career though, because he is only 21 years old and apart from LvG's brief time, this is the first time he has had a long period playing as a striker.
He will almost certainly succeed at United though, because you always need a few strikers in your team and he is more than good enough at being a backup player. The hope is that he can continue to develop into our main striker - we shall see. I agree though, he isn't a Rooney or Ronaldo talent.
Absolute madness to put Rashford anywhere near Rooney. Rooney was a special player in the making for ages, he took the absolute piss in youth football and did the same at 21 years old.
It reminds me of the ridiculous Mbappe comparisons. If any player can be compared to Rooney it is Mbappe not Rashford.
It reminds me of the ridiculous Mbappe comparisons. If any player can be compared to Rooney it is Mbappe not Rashford.
Take a look at fan lineups for next season. Martial-Rashford-Sancho. Martial-Rashford-Pepe. We need to challenge next season and people believe Rashford can lead the line. What about pundits who want to see him consistently playing as our Striker? Rashford should be a rotational striker or an impact sub until he improves but instead he was given the number 10 for no reason but to sell shirts. That 75m striker is also not good enough. He is at his peak and is still scoring in batches. Not consistent enough. We need to replace Lukaku with another striker but people believe Rashford is good enough.
And it isnt a couple of performances is it?? 1 goal from open play in 8 games while playing his preferred position. Rashford should be played on the right and told to put in crosses so maybe he can stop being so selfish.
Rashford isn't a patch on Rooney at the same age. Where has this escalation gone?!
Feck me. This place is like pulling bloody teeth. Reminding people that Rooney and Ronaldo also blew hot and cold at the same age as Rashford is apparently the same thing as claiming he is equally as good as our highest ever scorer and/or one of the best two or three players ever to kick a ball. I mean, fecking hell, what’s wrong with you people?
I think he’s a great player but all too often he decides to shoot from ridiculous angles rather than pass & wait for a better opportunity.
Screams of just wanting attention & in it for the individual honours & plaudits - I hope this changes as he does have great potential
Screams of just wanting attention & in it for the individual honours & plaudits - I hope this changes as he does have great potential
Crazy that this even needs to be said. Rooney was a monster.
Actually almost nobody is comparing Rashford favourably with Rooney and Ronaldo, this is just rubbish. The most they do is compare stats to show that despite all the criticism he gets, he's putting up good numbers.
Rashford is never going to be on the same level as Ronaldo. If he progresses he MIGHT have a chance of contributing as much to United as Rooney did though, considering Rooney was burnt out by his late 20s.
Why is it that people have to bring two of the greatest ever United players (one of the greatest ever in football) into a discussion about a promising young striker? Just desperate to bring him down.
Rashford is never going to be on the same level as Ronaldo. If he progresses he MIGHT have a chance of contributing as much to United as Rooney did though, considering Rooney was burnt out by his late 20s.
Why is it that people have to bring two of the greatest ever United players (one of the greatest ever in football) into a discussion about a promising young striker? Just desperate to bring him down.
All players blow hot and cold at a young age. Saying Rashford does it as well is a meaningless statement. So, rightfully posters thought that a comparison was being made between Rashford and Rooney at 21 years old.
Pretty much exactly what I said.
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