To be fair to Jose, neither of them could keep hold of the ball, so it made sense to move Mata there to at least be someone to pass to.
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Still want us to persist with him on the right so he can develop into that, maybe can look at how Mbappe plays on the right for PSG (despite obviously being a lot more talented). I say this because it would be shite for us if he developed as the main left winger as that would mean Martial will have left, and up top we have Lukaku who is 24 so I doubt Rashford will be a main striker when Lukaku is here. So it's the right wing or squad player for Rashford if we're talking long term what's best/most realistic for United.
Yeah lets destroy Rashford.
Just so we can fecking play Martial. What a joke.
Yes because playing a 20 year old on the right wing of a 4-3-3 is destroying him. Mbappe is clearly being destroyed by playing there for PSG despite previously mainly playing as part of a front 2 and being a striker, or occasionally playing on the left wing for Monaco. What's your problem with Martial? The guy is viewed by LOADS of people as one of the most promising young players in the world and a much bigger talent then Rashford. Rashford himself is very promising but the best case for Manchester United's long term future is for both of them to develop into key players. Martial's natural position is as an advanced winger/wide forward in a 4-3-3, like what Neymar or Hazard's natural positions are (though plenty could argue that he can develop as the main striker long term). Rashford's best and natural position is pretty much as a poacher in a 2 striker formation, playing in front of a second striker who can handle the more physical players but link up with him. He's not a natural at all on the left wing, though can do well, and on the right wing he hasn't shown too much yet either, but he has shown certain glimpses that he could develop there.
So best case here is for both of them to develop as part of a front 2 if neither are good enough on the wings, one on the wing or one up top, or both on the wings which seems more likely considering we spent 75m on Lukaku who is 24. Or just let Martial go and see Mourinho have another De Bruyne/Salah situation where he looks like an idiot for letting them go and not giving them the proper chance to develop.
Yes. It would destroy him. I'm not getting into this AGAIN.
'Destroy Rashford' a tad over dramatic?
Though the best position for both is upfront imho. Their best football came under LvG when one of them was upfront and the other drifting in from wide. I haven't seen them link up as well as they did in our FA cup run under LvG.
Though the best position for both is upfront imho. Their best football came under LvG when one of them was upfront and the other drifting in from wide. I haven't seen them link up as well as they did in our FA cup run under LvG.
Jose did play RAshford as the CF and it did not work. I do not think he can lead a line as yet. Martial is the more talented and has better technical ability while Rashford needs to use his brain a lot more. He tries to do all by himself and his free kicks are corners are too selfish and seems to go straight for goal. I actually think Jose needs to impose a bit more discipline into his attackers, the same way he does for his defenders. I cannot understand players who play regularly and practice regularly does not seem to know the movements of their team mates?
By playing Rashford and Martial together Jose is packing the attacking third instead of spreading out the play. They should not bunch up inside and move out and create the space.
By playing Rashford and Martial together Jose is packing the attacking third instead of spreading out the play. They should not bunch up inside and move out and create the space.
A bit disappointed Rash is having a hard time figuring out the RW. He seems to want to do the same thing regardless what area he is. I'd put him back on the left and have Martial try the right.
I thought this was a forum man. Why is Martial being preferred over him, a joke?
What are you suggesting here exactly? That we remove all competition so that Rashford gets to play as a CF every game? We both know hes not going to get picked ahead of Lukaku so LW/RW it is.
Also, while i agree that hes a natural striker above anything else, playing him in other attacking areas won't destroy him, if anything it's going to turn him into a more well rounded and adaptable player.
He should play on the left or up top. There is no point in having him on the right. It's wasting him and if we try to turn him into that we will get a bang average winger at best. Taking away what is natural to him just so he can use his pace to cross the ball from the right is destroying a special talent.
The idea that forcing him onto the right is what is best for the team longterm is complete bullshit.
What makes you think hes wasted on the right? Hes had like one game there before this one and with him being right footed and all it's no reason to believe he is going to do any worse at RW over LW. Just because he plays on the wing does not mean he's not going to get chances to get into the box and score goals
Neither Rashford nor Martial are the old school specialist player and we should not look to make them into it either. While all players have one position they prefer over another, all the best attacking players in todays game can be effective in multiple roles and that is what we should aim for with these two as well. If we can get both of them to be comfortable playing across the attack then both they as individual players and we as a team will benefit from it.
For all the stick he's getting, that cross he put in should have led to a certain goal .. his crossing is clearly a weapon if he wants to actually put some effort into learning when to use it, when not to go for the cross. Its one of his most dangerous attributes.
@haram you do know that coming through the youth ranks he was a RW right? Also big difference from RM where he is currently played to what people are suggesting in that he should be played as a RW.
Rashford feels more comfortable on the left, Mourinho said this after the game against Newcastle. Putting him on the right restricts him.
He said both prefer the left. But how does it restrict him playing on the right? Like I said I’d prefer him as a RW to RM where he can get in and get shots off and crosses off Something he is good at with his right foot. I’m not convinced by him on the left or really as a forward yet. I think he still has a lot to learn but a stint as a RW isn’t going to harm him in anyway.
He is largley pushed to go on the outside. Coming inside is less natural off the right. I said this before when people kept asking for him to play on the right, and even with the past two games people still insist it will suit him simply because he is quick and right footed. It is doing the team no good at all.
Not if he gets support from a decent RB why would it force him to go outside? Does sterling get forced outside or is he currently having the season of his life going inside from the right finding space and making and timing good runs. Why does Rashford being on the right destroy him?
The team hasn't had much good from anybody on the right side, so that's irrelevant. This will improve his game over time. As others have mentioned, he's had experience playing on that side in the youth ranks. A young player needs to be able to adapt, and he will improve from learning to play on that side. Until there's a better option than Martial/Rashford for the wings, I think he just needs to be given time to find his comfort zone on the right wing, it'll make him a much more dangerous player over time.
What's that got to do with anything? I don't know why he looks tired, but he does. Ronaldo at the same age quite often used to get little mid season holidays if I remember right. Probably more a mental thing than physical.
What's natural to him is coming off the left. Removing what is natural to him and trying to force him into becoming a RW is a waste of his talent. He can offer so much more darting towards goal off the left.
Not his best game, but others were poor. Such a joke our best player going forward seemed to be Ashley Young a lot of the time.
He’s always been a RW coming through so it’s not that it’s not natural to him. If anything being on the left isn’t the natural position. I bet he only prefers it because he can come inside on his right to take shots.
Would you have been complaining when he was on the right in the youth set up for McGuiness then he decided with Joyce to change Rashford. He said Rashford wanted to be a tricky number 10 and always wanted to score so they thought they would mould him in to a striker as with his natural gifts playing him as a 10 would be a waste.
They gave him personalised training helping him improve his play and movement. Worked on cheating and all sorts. They even brought in Colin Little who was a prolific non league striker for Crewe Alexander to teach him how to be a striker.
Nothing about Rashford is natural, a lot of work has gone in to make him the player he is, from starting in his natural position on the right to striker and now to LM.
As a RW in a 433 with Martial and Lukaku and two fullbacks with Pogba joining in these guys are going to destroy and open up teams as long as they play at a certain intensity and Rashford should and could score bucket loads from the right.
Even this argument of him cutting in on his right for a shot - I don't remember him ever actually having a good shot when cutting in, let alone a goal. He might like to do it but it definitely isn't a skill he has shown he can do yet. Martial is head and shoulders above him in terms of cutting in as a goal threat. What rashford is good at from the left is finding those runs off the ball or running with it and then cutting back to lay it off to someone. That can definitely be transferred over to the right and with time it'd probably suit the right wing more as he can just whip it in first time.
Anyway, playing on the right how mourinhos been using them is different to what we should use. A 433 with advanced wingers/wide forwards with martial and rashford staying higher up the pitch and a bit less defffensive responsibilities. Definitely how someone like Pep would use them and would bring out the best in our other players as well IMO.
Anyway, playing on the right how mourinhos been using them is different to what we should use. A 433 with advanced wingers/wide forwards with martial and rashford staying higher up the pitch and a bit less defffensive responsibilities. Definitely how someone like Pep would use them and would bring out the best in our other players as well IMO.
He scored two goals cutting in from the left this season which where both from outside the box, for England and for United.
The problem is, if only one or two of our attacking players were struggling, I'd say it's down to form, but the fact that Rashford, Martial, Lukaku, Mkhi and Mata all seem to be struggling at the same time suggests there's deeper issues in the team. There just isnt enough coaching/training given to attacking formation/tactics, which is why they all look lost when we have the ball, Rashford should be capable of doing more on the right wing.
I remember him scoring off low crosses and him finishing with his right into the far corner but that trademark Ronaldo running with it and cutting in for a shot with his right foot? Most times he tries that ends in a very time shot.
He hit the bar vs West Ham the first match of the season and scored vs that club in the FA cup or League Cup from outside the box. Martial hasnt scored from outside the box I think coming from the left.
Vs Burton, just remembered. Was playing as a striker in that game anyway, but yeah fair point. Feel like it's just very inconsistent then, he tries it a lot and a lot of the shots aren't very close or are just really weak. I don't think it's his biggest strength though he's still capable, and martial is more talented at it IMO, cutting in to find that space to place it in. Most of his goals for us are that sort of goal, though not really from out of the box you're right.
That's nearly the case with everything Rashford does, he is inconsistent with everything. Crossing, passing, dribbling, shooting, finishing, trickery. Martial has much better control of what he is doing and better skill and technique only that he lacks intensity at times.
The cutting in part, Martial is a few levels up imo, be it finishing himself or linking up with others.
Give him to Pep and he would shine.
He wouldn't get in their team so unlikely.
Yup, they're that good and Marcus is completely overrated here.
Rashford isn’t overrated - he just can’t shine in your system.
He is slightly overrated by people that swear he'll be word class but that doesn't mean he won't have a great career as he is already a good player.
Wish we would try and develop a fluid front three with he, Martial and a more technically gifted striker than Lukaku. Already getting wary of giving Lukaku as much priority as we do. He isn't turning into Drogba anytime soon
Wish we would try and develop a fluid front three with he, Martial and a more technically gifted striker than Lukaku. Already getting wary of giving Lukaku as much priority as we do. He isn't turning into Drogba anytime soon
He is being wasted on the right.
Where he is on the pitch isn't causing the drop in form he's currently going through. Switching to the left isn't going to suddenly tidy up his passing or improve that close control.
He just needs time and will soon hit an upturn. Given we've nobody else better I reckon he'll get that time as well.
He'd have more chance of being their CF than Lukaku that's for sure. ST season rashford could definitely compete with with Jesus for the ST spot; whether he would take it or not is a different story.
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