[SSSSnake]

To be fair Rashford got a lot of game time last season but wasn’t producing bar a few games. Yesterday he was unplayable and showed glimpses of his potential.

That’s the level he should be playing at consistsntly if he wants a starting place in this team. It’s such a lazy argument blaming Jose for his poor performance last season.

 

[Sereques]

And throughout this full season and last?
Try again.

These are the players that got more minutes than Rashford.

DDG, Matic, Lukaku, Valencia, Smalling, Young, Pogba, Jones, Mata, Lingard. in that order. Lingard got 13 minutes more than him. I've got all night if you want to have a go. We can either discuss facts or the the agenda driven bollocks they told you guys on sky.

The only striker that played more than him was Lukaku.

 

[edgar allan]

These are the players that got more minutes than Rashford.

DDG, Matic, Lukaku, Valencia, Smalling, Young, Pogba, Jones, Mata, Lingard. in that order. Lingard got 13 minutes more than him. I've got all night if you want to have a go. We can either discuss facts or the the agenda driven bollocks they told you guys on sky.

So you are suggesting that Rashford has not been regularly dropped during the course of the last few seasons?

 

[We need an rvn]

To be fair Rashford got a lot of game time last season but wasn’t producing bar a few games. Yesterday he was unplayable and showed glimpses of his potential.

That’s the level he should be playing at consistsntly if he wants a starting place in this team. It’s such a lazy argument blaming Jose for his poor performance last season.

But there was a huge contrast between the player last night and the one we've seen most of the season. Some of it can be put down to the player having a bad patch etc for sure, but surely we have to look at some part of it being down to the manager - either the tactics and style and how he wants rashford to play vs what the style rashford is better at, or rashford is the type of player who doesn't respond well to Jose's man management and needs a bit more man love to get his juices flowing.

 

[Sereques]

So you are suggesting that Rashford has not been regularly dropped during the course of the last few seasons?

Jamie Redknapp and Graeme Souneess suggest. I don't suggest, I look at the numbers. Numbers don't lie.

 

[Sereques]

But there was a huge contrast between the player last night and the one we've seen most of the season. Some of it can be put down to the player having a bad patch etc for sure, but surely we have to look at some part of it being down to the manager - either the tactics and style and how he wants rashford to play vs what the style rashford is better at, or rashford is the type of player who doesn't respond well to Jose's man management and needs a bit more man love to get his juices flowing.

Why don't you wait until England plays a competitive game in Russia before jumping to conclusions. The premier league is not a fecking friendly.

 

[KM]

The state of some of the shit posted about this boy he's 20 years old ffs and a graduate from our own academy no less, he's doing exceptionally well for his age, absolutely exceptional.

Mo salah at 20 was still in Egypt and hadn't played for his full national side
Ngolo kante had barely made a pro appearance at 20 and let's be honest was a nobody in the world game
Harry Kane was on loan (again) at Norwich getting 3 goals in a dozen appearances
These are the last 3 players of the year in England

Rashford at 20 is a regular in the man utd team and a member of England's World Cup squad. Is he perfect? Of course not, he's wildly inconsistent but that's to be expected of a player his age he's also capable of moments of brilliance playing at a far higher level than all the aforementioned players could've dreamed of playing in at 20yrs old

Its fine to have high expectations of him but being ott with negativity when he falls short is unfair given his age and the level of competition he's playing at. He's still ahead of his time and deserves patience

Well said.

 

[edgar allan]

Jamie Redknapp and Graeme Souneess suggest. I don't suggest, I look at the numbers. Numbers don't lie.

Total numbers of minutes over a year dont tell the true pic.
How many times was he subbed off, how many times on the bench?
Hard to argue that this wouldn't effect the confidence and performance of any young striker.

 

[#07]

Jump to the 4-0 Everton threadmark on the thread, that was the 7th match of the season. Rashford was getting slaughtered and called to be replaced for Martial, in fact, Rashford was slaughtered most of the first half of the season and people were always calling for him to get benched for Martial till that happens. That was about 6 months before the Brighton, and out of no where it became Mourinho fault due to England game ?

I mean at least in Martial thread there's some consistency, people were criticizing Mourinho for his approach with him since beginning of season, but calling for Rashford to get benched the whole season and when it does happen blame the manager because he played a good friendly ? Like seriously, come on.

A lot of truth here.

As we all have our biases and likes and dislikes, its very difficult to get something close to an objective take on Rashford. For example, I thought he played well last night but some people were acting as if it was his best game ever. He probably played better against Liverpool a few months ago. A team, with all due respect, that's much better than Costa Rica.

Rashford is still young and still developing. He will have games when he's really good and he'll have games where he's really bad. There are very few 20 year olds that are on it all the time. Is that partly to do with how he's managed? Maybe. However, is it only to do with how he's managed? No. In his long barren period in 2016-17 Mourinho protected him and talked him up and he still went months without making much of an impact. With youngsters that happens and with the competition in our squad that means he'll be dropped from time to time.

Let's give Rashford a few more years before we make any firm decisions about where he'll end up as a player.

 

[Sereques]

Total numbers of minutes over a year dont tell the true pic.
How many times was he subbed off, how many times on the bench?
Hard to argue that this wouldn't effect the confidence and performance of any young striker.

He started 17 games and came on as sub 18 times. He had 61 shots, 21 on goal and scored 7 goals. Compared to Ronaldo at the same age, started 24games, sub in 9 times scored 9 goals from 47 on target. From my point of view, those are good numbers for a 20yr old in a big club but an agenda driven point of view may find something wrong. Again, numbers don't lie.

 

[Murray3007]

Thought the 1st half of the season he and Martial done really well, pushed each other on for the lw position. both are inconsistent but most young players are. second half of the season both struggled mostly due to Sanchez coming and taking there place. apart from Rashford destroying liverpool cant remeber much more from him in the second half of the season. watched a bit of him last night and even tho it was only a friendly he looked a completely different player. looked confident and everything we expected of him. hopefully he has a good WC and comes back beaming of confidence and gives Jose a right selection problem.

 

[Sereques]

Thought the 1st half of the season he and Martial done really well, pushed each other on for the lw position. both are inconsistent but most young players are. second half of the season both struggled mostly due to Sanchez coming and taking there place. apart from Rashford destroying liverpool cant remeber much more from him in the second half of the season. watched a bit of him last night and even tho it was only a friendly he looked a completely different player. looked confident and everything we expected of him. hopefully he has a good WC and comes back beaming of confidence and gives Jose a right selection problem.

Well it's not like he will bench Lukaku for him, he should learn to play very well on the right side of 4-3-3 and perform whenever he's called upon as a center forward.

 

[Murray3007]

Well it's not like he will bench Lukaku for him, he should learn to play very well on the right side of 4-3-3 and perform whenever he's called upon as a center forward.

why not ? who would have thought Pogba would get dropped for Mctominey ? and after Jose's comments about Lukkau for the cup final then he might not be so undroppable this season

 

[YoucancallmeAl]

Best talent by far in the PL imo. Hope he realizes he needs to adapt to the flank and use his abilities to challange and cut inside from there. Remember an interview with Lukaku and Pogba where both answered Rashy, on who has the quickest feet/technique in the team. Bet he’s got a lot more to show us, just needs to build confidence. Like that elastico yesterday

 

[Di Maria's angel]

And throughout this full season and last?
Try again.

Pretty sure only De Gea, Pogba, Smalling and Valencia have started more games under Mourinho for United. Rashford has 60 starts over the last 2 seasons.

 

[Jeppers7]

The state of some of the shit posted about this boy he's 20 years old ffs and a graduate from our own academy no less, he's doing exceptionally well for his age, absolutely exceptional.

Mo salah at 20 was still in Egypt and hadn't played for his full national side
Ngolo kante had barely made a pro appearance at 20 and let's be honest was a nobody in the world game
Harry Kane was on loan (again) at Norwich getting 3 goals in a dozen appearances
These are the last 3 players of the year in England

Rashford at 20 is a regular in the man utd team and a member of England's World Cup squad. Is he perfect? Of course not, he's wildly inconsistent but that's to be expected of a player his age he's also capable of moments of brilliance playing at a far higher level than all the aforementioned players could've dreamed of playing in at 20yrs old

Its fine to have high expectations of him but being ott with negativity when he falls short is unfair given his age and the level of competition he's playing at. He's still ahead of his time and deserves patience

Here here. Absolute state of some posters. More obsessed with their own opinion and their sense of self importance

 

[Nick7]

Pretty sure only De Gea, Pogba, Smalling and Valencia have started more games under Mourinho for United. Rashford has 60 starts over the last 2 seasons.

Yup, also until he got injured in the second half of the season he had played in every league game.

 

[SSSSnake]

But there was a huge contrast between the player last night and the one we've seen most of the season. Some of it can be put down to the player having a bad patch etc for sure, but surely we have to look at some part of it being down to the manager - either the tactics and style and how he wants rashford to play vs what the style rashford is better at, or rashford is the type of player who doesn't respond well to Jose's man management and needs a bit more man love to get his juices flowing.

Well he’s fresh ain’t he!? He’s had a bit of a break since the league ended. Probably buzzing because of the world cup.

Here here. Absolute state of some posters. More obsessed with their own opinion and their sense of self importance

Come on hardly anyone here calling him out. We all want him to do well. We want him to take his chances when he gets minutes. Last night just showed me how frustarating he can be. Moments of world class ability and then the next game he’s running round like a headless chicken.

 

[Cassidy]

Well he’s fresh ain’t he!? He’s had a bit of a break since the league ended. Probably buzzing because the wo


Come on hardly anyone here calling him out. We all want him to do well. We want him to take his chances when he gets minutes. Last night just showed me how frustarating he can be. Moments of world class ability and then the next game he’s running round like a headless chicken.

Sounds like a typical talented 20 year old

 

[Jeppers7]

Well he’s fresh ain’t he!? He’s had a bit of a break since the league ended. Probably buzzing because of the world cup.



Come on hardly anyone here calling him out. We all want him to do well. We want him to take his chances when he gets minutes. Last night just showed me how frustarating he can be. Moments of world class ability and then the next game he’s running round like a headless chicken.

You'd hope so, I think a lot of posters are more worried about being wrong

 

[Steven7290]

They were a disgrace. Like he was itching to prove a point in not playing them and for them to underperform. Funny how Rom didn't score for months but got a pass.

Expect some Caftards to place bets on Rash being top scorer and England to win.


quite.


Football fans ruin everything.


Hardly a rule and they can't be kids forever. Many kick on after 140 top level matches (club and country)


would love to know your criterion for "fabulous". Had a great game though.

It is the rule, albeit not a strict one, those are just exceptions in the grand scheme of things. And yes they have to grow up at some points, and in the case of Rashford he can be afforded some more time yet.

 

[Bobski]

Yes, somewhat unfortunate that the Rashford debate is now tied into the Mourinho divisiveness.

Very talented player, needs to play more games as central striker, does not really fit the Mou profile though, hence the links to a guy like Arnautovic who is more of a physical presence.

 

[Amar__]

He hasn't had best season, but not that bad either. Has anyone actually outperformed him this season on our left wing?

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

I'd love to see him have a run of games in that #10/SS position.

 

[Guapa]

I'd play him right.

 

[Vilev]

Rashford problem in United is a regressive style of play we have. These'll tells you all you need to know about his performances for United, touches map of him at United and England.

 

[VP89]

Rashford problem in United is a regressive style of play we have. These'll tells you all you need to know about his performances for United, touches map of him at United and England.

Yes. Because Costa Rica are a bunch of Premier League players.

 

[Vilev]

Yes. Because Costa Rica are a bunch of Premier League players.

They are hardly worse than any team from 13-14 and below.
United is comfortably much stronger than any of those sides and could have played with much more attacking intent, of course if the team/managers actually had some balls for a change. Because if your forwards spent around 20% of the time defending in your own half, that says it all about your 'tactics'.

 

[VP89]

They are hardly worse than any team from 13-14 and below.
United is comfortably much stronger than any of those sides and could have played with much more attacking intent, of course if the team/managers actually had some balls for a change. Because if your forwards spent around 20% of the time defending in your own half, that says it all about your 'tactics'.

A friendly against Costa Rica is not the same as a Premier League fixture against Southampton, Huddersfield, Brighton, Watford, West Ham etc. First it's a friendly and second they can't even field an XI without naming players from the Costa Rican/MLS leagues in key positions.

In fact, they only have 3 midfielders under the age of 30 and I think all play in the MLS(!)

And what's wrong with a forward spending 20% of the time defending? We don't play a system which gives the front 3 a free role. Are you saying Rashford shouldn't have to defend at all?

 

[noodlehair]

He's 20 years old. Why do people keep just ignoring this?

Most players his age are inconsistent, especially attacking players who rely on decision making and flair. Most also don't play every week if they aren't in a shite team and aren't Lionel Messi.

He is the same for England as he is for us. Excellent one minute and frustrating and prancy the next. Something he will hopefully grow out of and which it's too early in his career to criticise him seriously for not doing. He's still learning how not to be a teenager for feck sake.

The actual valid reason his good performances look better for England, is because England just aren't that good in general. United have Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial, Pogba, Matic, Mata etc. surrounding him and were the second best team in the league this season. England have Henderson and Danny Welbeck, and it's a genuine risk to bet on them finishing 2nd in a four team league with a team that rhymes with the word banana

 

[VP89]

He's 20 years old. Why do people keep just ignoring this?

Most players his age are inconsistent, especially attacking players who rely on decision making and flair. Most also don't play every week if they aren't in a shite team and aren't Lionel Messi.

He is the same for England as he is for us. Excellent one minute and frustrating and prancy the next. Something he will hopefully grow out of and which it's too early in his career to criticise him seriously for not doing. He's still learning how not to be a teenager for feck sake.

The actual valid reason his good performances look better for England, is because England just aren't that good in general. United have Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial, Pogba, Matic, Mata etc. surrounding him and were the second best team in the league this season. England have Henderson and Danny Welbeck, and it's a genuine risk to bet on them finishing 2nd in a four team league with a team that rhymes with the word banana

Bit OTT here - England have some very strong players all around the park.

 

[noodlehair]

Bit OTT here - England have some very strong players all around the park.

No they don't. They have Harry Kane...the rest aren't comparable...and Rashford the other night was playing with the second string England players. Not even the ones who will get in the actual team.

In the PL he's playing alongside multiple players who if they were in the England squad would be the best player there aside from arguably Kane. If United are playing a good side, he's also playing against multiple players where the same applies. If he plays well he still manages to stand out, but he's obviously going to stand out more in an England friendly where both the intensity and the level of talent isn't the same. It's like comparing a league performance to a Pre Season game against a lower league side.

There's no need for stupid theories about how he looks better because Jose isn't there playing him at left back. He played the same way for us plenty of times last season. He also had plenty of games where he was very frustrating, which was also evident in the Nigeria game where he came on and basically fecked up every touch of the ball.

He's 20. In about 95% of cases with players his age, this is how it works.

 

[VP89]

No they don't. They have Harry Kane...the rest aren't comparable...and Rashford the other night was playing with the second string England players. Not even the ones who will get in the actual team.

In the PL he's playing alongside multiple players who if they were in the England squad would be the best player there aside from arguably Kane. If United are playing a good side, he's also playing against multiple players where the same applies. If he plays well he still manages to stand out, but he's obviously going to stand out more in an England friendly where both the intensity and the level of talent isn't the same. It's like comparing a league performance to a Pre Season game against a lower league side.

There's no need for stupid theories about how he looks better because Jose isn't there playing him at left back. He played the same way for us plenty of times last season. He also had plenty of games where he was very frustrating, which was also evident in the Nigeria game where he came on and basically fecked up every touch of the ball.

He's 20. In about 95% of cases with players his age, this is how it works.

Probably not for this thread specifically, but England have players like Deli Ali, Raheem Sterling, Harry Kane, and Kyle Walker contributing to the spine of a very good team. They may be inexperienced but general performances under Southgate suggest a far stronger side than what you've implied. Portugal were a weaker side going into the Euros and won it FFS.

As for Rashford I do agree with all your thoughts. That he's 20 and its too early to judge him and inconsistency is expected. I don't think he will improve much beyond what we see though, and that's just a gut feeling.

 

[roseguy64]

Portugal had a better player than anyone in the England side though in Ronaldo

 

[BAMSOLA]

Consistently playing a 2 striker formation would solve so many of our problems and remove the need for a actual right winger in the squad. The squad is perfectly suited to 4-3-1-2 with high pressing and both Rashford and Martial rotating and occasionally starting together.

 

[AndyJ1985]

Consistently playing a 2 striker formation would solve so many of our problems and remove the need for a actual right winger in the squad. The squad is perfectly suited to 4-3-1-2 with high pressing and both Rashford and Martial rotating and occasionally starting together.

Why would we want to remove the need for a right winger? Then we'd be relying solely on Valencia for width on the right. We'd be terrible

 

[worldinmotion66]

Hold on, are people questioning the minutes/matches Rashford has played under Mourinho, while others are criticising Rashford's performances for United?

Surely it's the style of football and the freedom to express attacking talent that is producing the subdued performances in a United shirt, along with the inevitable inconsistencies in one so young?

 

[BAMSOLA]

Why would we want to remove the need for a right winger? Then we'd be relying solely on Valencia for width on the right. We'd be terrible

The idea would be to buy better FB's which already looks like a priority. We have 1 RB who by all accounts will be challenging for a staring spot despite his age and you could argue we are already on the lookout for a LB. Apart from Bale I really don't see any real superb RW options (although I like the look of Gelson Martins).

 

[K2K]

Sterling should still start.

Terrible finisher but he's alround game is quite good.

England should not simply abandoned their plans because of one half in a friendly.

Still expect Rashford to get plenty of game time at the tournament though.

 

[tedketterman]

Hold on, are people questioning the minutes/matches Rashford has played under Mourinho, while others are criticising Rashford's performances for United?

Surely it's the style of football and the freedom to express attacking talent that is producing the subdued performances in a United shirt, along with the inevitable inconsistencies in one so young?

The football under LVG was much worse than it was last season, yet Rashford's performances were better under LVG. I think criticising the style of play is just a way of shoehorning in digs at Mourinho. As @Red_Aaron said, Rashford needs patience from United fans.