Unrealistic explanations? I don't. In fact, my expectations for him this season have been pretty low. My "views and assessment" of him is that he isn't good enough yet. We aren't Southampton, we can't afford to babysit these players who aren't good enough yet. Will he be good enough in the future? Who knows, a lot of factors will tie into that, could become a world beater, could also become a Danny Welbeck, but even Welbeck was sent on loan to learn his trade and wasn't relied on for title challenges.
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Unrealistic explanations? I don't. In fact, my expectations for him this season have been pretty low. My "views and assessment" of him is that he isn't good enough yet. We aren't Southampton, we can't afford to babysit these players who aren't good enough yet. Will he be good enough in the future? Who knows, a lot of factors will tie into that, could become a world beater, could also become a Danny Welbeck, but even Welbeck was sent on loan to learn his trade and wasn't relied on for title challenges.
Rubbish. Lingard outperformed both Martial and Rashford yesterday, given the talent they have, that should never be a possibility, that's on them. Also it's funny you use KDB and Lukaku, when Jose replaced them with superior players who won him the title.
His free kick and shot from outside the box were excellent. Unlucky one didn't go in.
He was at least trying, but I do wonder if he and Martial shouldn't be more fluid and interchange positions a lot more. Martial wasn't having a great game on the left and Rashford struggled to find space in the middle. The few times Rashford received the ball on the left side, he ran past his defender for fun, which Martial struggled with, whereas Martial's superior ball control can cause problems through the middle.
As for the "who is faster, Martial or Rashford" - it's Rashford without a shadow of a doubt. Martial has far superior technique though, but I do wonder in these matches if Martial isn't better suited through the middle than Rashford, and then Rashford can stretch them on the flank.
As for the "who is faster, Martial or Rashford" - it's Rashford without a shadow of a doubt. Martial has far superior technique though, but I do wonder in these matches if Martial isn't better suited through the middle than Rashford, and then Rashford can stretch them on the flank.
About Rashford? Well @izzydiggler inspired my thread about wonderkids vs Youth. I agree with him. Rashford is not a wonderKid yet Mourinho seems to have given him thats status this season.
Eg: some fans are reluctant to sign another quality no 9 next season because it impedes Rashford development. I don't think Rashfords development should be a strategic priority of the club right now.
Lukaku looks just about ready, this season to play in a title chasing attack. Years later from his sale. Mourinho may have assisted in developing Lukaku's career by selling him to a smaller club, allowing him to become a main man. He also signed someone MUCH better than Lukaku at that stage, Costa, who practically slotted in and won them the league by banging in goals every week, something we desperately desperately need.
True, he created our best chances as well, sure he lost the ball a lot, and he keep coming way to deep, but what do you expect him to do when your midfield is Fellaini and Carrick and you're up against team who set half of their player in the box,
Martial is the one who annoys me more, he makes no run in behind whatsoever, just waiting on the left idly, God I hope he has Lingard's movement and not so passive all the time
Absolutely correct. There is simply no way Chelsea can have had the success they have had in past 4 years if Lukaku had been there CF!
This belief that teams can consistently challenge for the title whist indulging teenagers with plenty of game time is absurdly false. You can only achieve that with genuine wonderKids like Messi or Rooney.
Everyone else has to develop the normal way: develop and gain regular game time at lower clubs and then get a big move in the early 20s. If Rashford is to make it big time, he needs to move away on loan or with a buy back.
I remember a game under LvG when Martial started on the right and Rashford through the middle. They swapped positions in the second half and almost instantly it made an impact. Rashford stretched the opposition and Martial was winning free-kicks, from one of which Mata scored.
Mourinho has instead played Rashford more on the left than right (although mostly as striker). I don't think that's a good move.
Do you think Messi and Rooney would have flourished under Mourinho? And why isn't Rashford a special player? He certainly looked so last season.
Fact is, Mourinho wants seasoned professionals, old-fashioned men who can find solutions on the pitch even if they aren't top-class players. That's his style of management and it doesn't suit the development of young players, who are inconsistent and need guidance.
Obviously yes they would have. Stupid to say otherwise. Jose would have loved a young Rooney, all power and pace.
Rashford is getting games and isn't doing as badly as is made out on here...
In reality it's rare to bring young players on through the clubs ranks that end up being first team regulars. It's also rare that they go on loan and come back to cement a first team place. Sadly if you're going to put your trust in youth , the likelihood is you are not gonna win anything as it's more often than not, the 27/28 year old players are the ones that make the difference...whether you buy them at their prime or they are already at the club.
When you now buy young players at a club like Utd et al, unless they are absolutely top draw and match your 27/28 year olds for consistency, they won't last 3 seasons before they are sold on or loaned out to be eventually sold anyway. Trust me, I don't think Jose going to buy any potential in the summer cause he'd be out of a job before (or if) they deliver.....
When you now buy young players at a club like Utd et al, unless they are absolutely top draw and match your 27/28 year olds for consistency, they won't last 3 seasons before they are sold on or loaned out to be eventually sold anyway. Trust me, I don't think Jose going to buy any potential in the summer cause he'd be out of a job before (or if) they deliver.....
Also KDB yet to be on Hazard level when Hazard being at his best, which a star player for title winning teams. KDB is not as good support cast as someone like Pedro or Willian. KDB is not yet the star player for big club. He's just a tier below at his best, but sounds like he needs to attention, care of the star player.
Exactly, i saw several times yesterday (and earler) when we were attacking and he was just loafing around in no mans land. It seems the only times he reacts is when the ball gets played to his feet, or there is a foot race with a slow CB
I know he is young still, but he looks nothing like the player he was last year.
I disagree. If I am to interpret it, it's not about movement, it's more about he tries to evade the defender, strength battle. So he tries to distance himself a bit from opposition players & gamble on his pace to beat them. It's his weakness. Against such compact , deep sitting & well disciplined zonal defense team like West Brom did, he understandably struggled (similar is vs Hull in first leg League Cup final). In man marking 1 vs 1 situation, he is however shown to be better movement than Martial, who doesn't even try to run in behind the defense while having support from full back.
I just don't think his movement is good. He only seems good with the 1v1 running straight towards goal where his pace gives him an advantage. Top strikers like Aguero, Suarez etc make constant arching runs and diagonal runs across the defence. I have never seen Rashford do that.
Good post. Totally agree.
The lad needs to go out on loan and play 30-40 games as a striker.
He's not good enough to do that for a club like United yet, but it's what he needs for his development.
He's not good enough to do that for a club like United yet, but it's what he needs for his development.
This forum reminds me of RAWK when it comes to the defense of Mourinho, the man can do no wrong and he has no negatives apparently. It's going to be a rude awakening if things go tits up in the couple of months.
I'm sure there are managers who can get better output from these 3 very good young players and help them flourish. Mourinho just isn't one of them.
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His goal last season vs Villa showed really intelligent movement. You have to remember that he was a full time winger a couple of years ago and still plays in that position regularly. I expect it's something he's working on and hopefully we'll see the results over the coming seasons.
He should remain a winger. His game looks more like Sterling, Sanè or Manè than it does a natural strikers. His scoring patch from last year has deluded the minds of so many.
I'm not sure what his position will be eventually, he's inconsistent when playing wide or up top currently.
Like i have said earlier he will be at best a relegation fodder striker. Doesnt have anything bar pace. Intelligence is so low, you would have to dig 1000 feet to find his brains.
Should sell him while his value is high. Some on like stoke or palace like these type of players who can play 1 good game in 30 and be picked in the squad for the rest of 29 times. I used to rate him higher than lingard but i think he is worse than i thought. This obsession with academy is holding us back, it was stupid to not sign a back up attacking player. Absolute garbage performance from a kid who has been given too much too soon. Hasnt scored since september FFS send him to reserves as that is his level right now.
Should sell him while his value is high. Some on like stoke or palace like these type of players who can play 1 good game in 30 and be picked in the squad for the rest of 29 times. I used to rate him higher than lingard but i think he is worse than i thought. This obsession with academy is holding us back, it was stupid to not sign a back up attacking player. Absolute garbage performance from a kid who has been given too much too soon. Hasnt scored since september FFS send him to reserves as that is his level right now.
He's 19. Jesus man.
Robben did. Hazard had his best season at the time due to Mourinho. But yes carry on with your agenda.
Even Fergie only developed one striker from the youth setup in his 27 years here and that was Welbeck. Who he moved all over the pitch. Fergie wanted proven goal scorers.
Also Lukaku and Rooney were miles ahead of Rashford. Not just in terms of ability but physically too.
How many times in the last decade has a truly top team played a 18/19 year old striker regularly?
The only two I can think of are Messi and Rooney. And obviously Messi was played more out wide.
That position is too important to results to take risks with kids, unless they're absolutely ready or world class. There's a nous that can only be learned through playing.
Rashford needs that time. We should get a peak striker next season, and give Rashford the 2 seasons he deserves to learn his trade properly.
The only two I can think of are Messi and Rooney. And obviously Messi was played more out wide.
That position is too important to results to take risks with kids, unless they're absolutely ready or world class. There's a nous that can only be learned through playing.
Rashford needs that time. We should get a peak striker next season, and give Rashford the 2 seasons he deserves to learn his trade properly.
That is not an excuse not at this level. Sane and sterling(both were better at 19) are very young,Delle ali is 20, dier?,mbappe?, If you are good enough you ar eold enough, if you are shit enough it dont matter what your age is, you are still shit.
Most players show much more than scoring no goals since september in the league and running the ball out countless times. Rashford is a speed merchant who got decent numbers in reserves cause of his pace.
Make up a nonsensical scenario with hardly any evidence whatsoever.
Use that as a stick to beat someone the poster doesn't like.
It has to be all evil Mourinho.
It can't be something normal like a young player simply being inconsistent ( because that has never happened in football before).
Martial problems extend all the way to Euro2016 and his family troubles that same Summer. I bet Mourinho put Deschamp and Martial's mistress up to that (see, I can make unsubstantiated and outlandish claims too)
None of those players are centre forwards, leading the line for major teams.
Neither is rashford and when he does he is shit at it, he is shit on the wing.
If we were to turn that ronaldo chant for rashford
It would go like-
He plays on the left
he plays on the right
That boy rashford
makes himself look shite.
Shit everywhere!
Since I don't have full knowledge on the other players entire career it's a bit hard to say, but Rashford was basically unknown before he last year took his chance. Does the same apply to the other players as well? I would assume that the others have had a "longer" careers despite their age - they've maybe played for a longer period in the senior squad?
Hazard was already a mature player when he played under Mourinho. Robben was used as a pace merchant in a counter-attacking system, which is Mourinho's speciality. The present system United system with young attackers is more Guardiola and van Gaal territory than Mourinho.
Don't know why you're bringing Fergie into this. And Lukaku miles ahead of Rashford in ability? Who's having an agenda now?
Ok lets put it this way
If we were to send rashford to monaco and bring Mbappe to united who would score more goals? who would start more ghames? who would play better? Id bet my house on mbappe.
No way to know it's just "wishful" thinking. Martial was probably seen as better than (todays) Rashford when he was at Monaco and I can't exactly say that he's better than Marcus at the moment. So what's to say that Mbappé would make such a huge impact here? Maybe he fits Monaco's style of play and feels "free" with no pressure?
I'm not saying Mbappé isn't good, he seems to be very special. But we can never know if he'd be good or bad in this club. We're just guessing. Besides, I really do think that Rashford will be much better next season - he's still learning and the pre-season will hopefully improve him physically.
He barely played for the reserves. You've made that up.
I should have said academy, but i know you know what i meant. He was told to be "more like van nistelroy" by united's coaches. He was at the right place at the right time for arsenal with ashley fletcher injured/unavailable van gaal was forced to play him. Just like wilson who scored on his debut too and faded away, he has also been the same. The simple fact is the job of strikers/attackers is to score and create goals he does neither for our team and does not deserve a place.
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The comparison between martial and rashford although justified by their age and playing position is still in martial's favour
Martial has scored 3 so has rashford, martial has created more and has played 18 games and even lesser minutes than rashford.Rashford has played as a striker, martial played their for 45 mins i think. He has been taken to task by mou and publically slated and still has done better than caf hearthrob rashford. Mbappe is on another level though lesser minutes more goals and even more chances created
Really impressed with his long range efforts yesterday. I didn't actually see him as much threat at all from distance so those efforts caught me by surprise.
Agree with those saying he needs to bulk up though. Too lean and wirey against tough defenders. I don't see it becoming a deterrent on his pace and dynamism as say it would with Memphis. Just think he's way too lightweight.
Agree with those saying he needs to bulk up though. Too lean and wirey against tough defenders. I don't see it becoming a deterrent on his pace and dynamism as say it would with Memphis. Just think he's way too lightweight.
No genuinely didn't, because I can't imagine why you would also be dismissive of a lads academy performances. I think you're going way overboard with your analysis of his long term chances but to say he only scored goals at under 17/18 level because of pace is very harsh.
By the way what is his academy record? Surprised you saw most of his games at those aged levels given most of them aren't televised.
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I dint see all his game but i do follow the academy since the days of petrucci and macheda were 16, i am no jb or khozany but i follow the academy closely.
About his academy record well you can google it yourself you ll find it easily.
The thing is yes he was great at academy but so was wilson and keane and macheda(so good he stopped bothering about reserve games)hell bojan at barca broke messi's records, all except keane had fabulous dream starts but have faded away. A starting striker for manutd is difficult to find in the academy, You have to score goals from the off and unless you are really good you wont, hence why most fail because scoring when teams park the bus is different when your team can create chances at academy level.
I think rashford is overhyped because he is english and he plays for us and we over hype our talents ridiculously and also he had a decent start but know the reality has hit and he is showing his level. Players who are stars in the making show that level of talent, even when ronaldo or robben or messi werent scoring initially they did something that would be great every game and you could see it. With rashford its like i know he will have a poor touch, i know he cant keep the ball or play a good pass,i know he will miss some chances and run the ball out of play and he cant beat a man without using his pace. I do think if united are to win things again we will need a player at level of rooney/robben atleast and rashford may not even reach Chicharito level. Look at welbeck, he started with a goal and he is not anywhere close to a starting forward for top4 club.
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