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so what? If he's good enough ' he's old enough, right?

Right now, he is nowhere close to good enough, beyond some cameo's when the going is good.
You do realize that he is a backup striker to Ibra right? The only reason he was on the pitch was because IBRA was suspended
 
so what? If he's good enough ' he's old enough, right?

Right now, he is nowhere close to good enough, beyond some cameo's when the going is good.

In current state its more the other way around.
 
Agreed mate, I'm not bashing him or anything, I think it's silly to put so much on a kid that turned 19 just this year, I am not sure where he'll end up position wise or if he'll be a regular starter long term for us, but right now I think playing wide and coming off the bench is the best use of him while he continues to develop.
Agree with you and I really do hope that he'll be the top player that he has the potential of being. Mourinho will have to handle him in the correct way (for Rashford), so time will tell.
 
I think poor Rashford isn't ready yet to lead the line. He had a very poor game today, his touch was off. I'm not going to be too critical of Marcus, he's a good player and does offer us something, still young. Might just be a year or two before we see the best out of him. I think next year he should be used as a sub out wide, he can beat a man with his pace easily. Very effective when the opposition gets tired.
 
People are still thinking of his period last season where he basically scored every time he got the ball. No one can continue like that all the time. That period had the element of surprise - the opponents know what his strengths and weaknesses are and can defend easier. So they have unfair expectations. Hopefully this has made them see the "truth" - that he needs time.

He needs to score a goal too. It's been too long, his confidence needs a lift.
 
You do realize that he is a backup striker to Ibra right? The only reason he was on the pitch was because IBRA was suspended
We need a much better reserve striker. SAF used to be able to call upon the likes of Solskjaer, Forlan, or Hernandez when Cole, Ruud etc were injured.

There is a place in the squad for a rookie homegrown striker like Rashford, but starting must win games should not be that place. His knowledge and capabilities are simply not evolved enough, and so he often underwhelms.

I don't think its fair on him or fans expectations to give him so much responsibility at this stage of his career. He may or may not go on to become a top talent. Plenty have shown his potential but failed to make the next steps.
 
He's a 19 year old kid who, at best, should be on the the fringes of the squad. He was thrown in due to injuries, probably long before he was scheduled to be but did very well and performed (well scored) above all expectation...great start but it's saddled him with this 'wonderkid' status, which I'm not even convinced the club thought he was.

But you listen to the 'experts' on Soccer Saturday today and they claimed that he's barely played and that this year has been "a wasted year", insinuating that Mourinho is ruining his career. He's 19 ffs and has been involved (according to Wikipedia) in 39 games this season and is a fixture in the national team. Apart from being utter bollocks, the weight on his shoulders is far too much for a young player in his infancy of his career.

Basically (this can't be news to anyone) he needs time and experience before we have any idea what level he will become, because he's far from convinced me he will become a guaranteed long-term starter at a big club. That's not a criticism - he has great potential but he needs time to develop etc and needs to prove himself, just as all young players do.
 
Will be at Everton very soon.

Not good enough.

Now you see why Jose wants to take a risk on Mbappe.
 
Not good enough to be starting currently. Hopefully he can sit out from the start on Tuesday and have an impact off the bench if needed.
 
Exactly, we can not develop our own players at the cost of winning stuff. When it comes to elite football, the very very top, you have to use the very best. There are so few of them out there that prices go up to crazy levels. The second tire is not enough at all. Only the very BEST. Just look at the players Real Madrid are taking in and spitting out. They don't even persist with world record fees players. Second best is first out. Age is not even a factor in this game.

Yeah I agree with this.

This is why I shake my head when people ask what comes of Rashford, Martial, etc if players like Griezmann are brought in.
 
Criticize the post, not the poster!
Precisely. Everyone so quick to back a coach who hangs his youngest talents out to dry in the media rather than have any perspective

Mou does this, all the time

Don't use my post in a desperate attempt to slight a manager you don't like, vermin.
 
Don't use my post in a desperate attempt to slight a manager you don't like, vermin.

And see I thought it was desperate nevermind cowardly to routinely admonish your young players to the press but carry on, Mou is the special one
 
And see I thought it was desperate nevermind cowardly to routinely admonish your young players to the press but carry on, Mou is the special one
Routinely?

And is Mkhitaryan a young player now?

Jog on you cretin. Next time you want to post garbage do it yourself and stop looking for other people's posts to ride on to look less tragic than you are.
 
Precisely. Everyone so quick to back a coach who hangs his youngest talents out to dry in the media rather than have any perspective

Mou does this, all the time

Have you watched his interview or read his words? Leaving players to dry, fecking he'll.
 
Am I being knee jerk in being really concerned about him?

He just doesn't impose himself in games enough for my liking and his finishing ability is a bit iffy to.
 
Looks like the game could go for another 10 hrs, still he couldn't hit that darn door.
He needs to go on loan, then learn and prove himself somewhere else first; just like H. Keane.
It would be extremely stupid for Mou to depend on him as United 2nd striker for a 36 y.o. Ibra. next season.
Weird comment. He would eventually score if this game go on. Toward the end he's growing into the game.

What he lacks is holding up play, using his strength, which he doesn't get used to his new grown body. He can just learn here. He has proven a lot that he can be a useful part of the team. He's just not clearly cut starter. He's not the problem
 
Routinely?

And is Mkhitaryan a young player now?

Not old although Henrikh certainly is younger than say Schweinsteiger. But is Martial young? Luke Shaw, Lingard? How about Hazard? Ozil at RM?

Yes, routinely. Can you even name a big club manager who is known for calling out players in the media? I only know of one, a special one

"I would not criticise one of my own players publicly. When you make public criticism of your players, you damage morale." - SAF
 
Not old although Henrikh certainly is younger than say Schweinsteiger. But is Martial young? Luke Shaw, Lingard? How about Hazard? Ozil at RM?

Yes, routinely. Can you even name a big club manager who is known for calling out players in the media? I only know of one, a special one

"I would not criticise one of my own players publicly. When you make public criticism of your players, you damage morale." - SAF

You are clueless, simple as that.

Go and do a google search and see how many players SAF has criticized publicly. Your obsession against Jose is so weird. Maybe if you take your head out of Pep's ass then the things will be more clearer.
 
Not old although Henrikh certainly is younger than say Schweinsteiger. But is Martial young? Luke Shaw, Lingard? How about Hazard? Ozil at RM?

Yes, routinely. Can you even name a big club manager who is known for calling out players in the media? I only know of one, a special one

"I would not criticise one of my own players publicly. When you make public criticism of your players, you damage morale." - SAF
So you've gone from calling out young players to calling out players.

Behave man, you're embarrassing yourself. You need to find a better way to get attention. Try high quality posts or something.
 
It would be extremely stupid for Mou to depend on him as United 2nd striker for a 36 y.o. Ibra. next season.

I do agree with what you are saying, but Jose is under pressure to play home grown youngsters. So, I expect Rashford to continue playing in the first team or coming off the bench.
I personally think it would be better for him to be loaned to a lesser side (Championship or League One), so he can toughen up a little and grown into his body. When a teenager keeps getting beaten up like he is (ie. not scoring a goal), it can play havoc with confidence.
 
Not old although Henrikh certainly is younger than say Schweinsteiger. But is Martial young? Luke Shaw, Lingard? How about Hazard? Ozil at RM?

Yes, routinely. Can you even name a big club manager who is known for calling out players in the media? I only know of one, a special one

"I would not criticise one of my own players publicly. When you make public criticism of your players, you damage morale." - SAF
"We gave the ball away for a third goal and we were in complete control of the game at that point," Ferguson said after United's 5-4 League Cup extra-time defeat at Chelsea.

"We were playing really good football at that point and all we needed to do was see the game out by keeping possession.

"But Nani decided to try and beat a player, lost the ball and they got a penalty kick against us.”
- SAF
 
He's a 19 year old kid who, at best, should be on the the fringes of the squad. He was thrown in due to injuries, probably long before he was scheduled to be but did very well and performed (well scored) above all expectation...great start but it's saddled him with this 'wonderkid' status, which I'm not even convinced the club thought he was.

But you listen to the 'experts' on Soccer Saturday today and they claimed that he's barely played and that this year has been "a wasted year", insinuating that Mourinho is ruining his career. He's 19 ffs and has been involved (according to Wikipedia) in 39 games this season and is a fixture in the national team. Apart from being utter bollocks, the weight on his shoulders is far too much for a young player in his infancy of his career.

Basically (this can't be news to anyone) he needs time and experience before we have any idea what level he will become, because he's far from convinced me he will become a guaranteed long-term starter at a big club. That's not a criticism - he has great potential but he needs time to develop etc and needs to prove himself, just as all young players do.

I think you have hit the nail on the head.

The start to his career was 'wondered' worthy despite Rashford being no way close to that accolade. And the pressure on Mourinho to deliver 'club youth traditions' means he's been played way too often and with too much responsibility. As you say, he should have a squad status similar to players like Shaw or Young.

He may develop into a great striker, and if he can attain the levels of somebody like Welbeck or Walcott, he'll have done well. Anything above that is beyond expectations.
 
Some of the bilge in here is a massive reason why I would have been happy for him to go on loan in the East Midlands and bang in 35 for some pub team in the Championship. He's a young kid who was brought through way, way to soon. He's coped well so far but have a little patience for goodness sake.
 
I do agree with what you are saying, but Jose is under pressure to play home grown youngsters. So, I expect Rashford to continue playing in the first team or coming off the bench.
I personally think it would be better for him to be loaned to a lesser side (Championship or League One), so he can toughen up a little and grown into his body. When a teenager keeps getting beaten up like he is (ie. not scoring a goal), it can play havoc with confidence.

It's the pattern of Mou's first year in charge. He gave in to what the club want on first year, to show what would happen. Eventually the first season result wouldn't be that satisfying. Then he could say, "now we do it my way", and all result would be on him.

I think that's a pragmatic and sensible approach. For Rashford, I do think the Boards won't be foolish enough to allow our lack of attacking option to continue next season. Nor we can continue chopping off managers, or out of League race for 5 years on going.
I think we will buy an established striker. Rashford can still stay as the 3rd striker, and options for wings. He'll still get plenty of game time, then we see how it goes.

Then even though he might score less later, but he'll get less "abuse" from the fans, if the team is winning.
 
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I am amazed that in fellaini's thread he gets praised for doing his job, which just included passing the ball to the player besides him, and here some are critical of a 19 years old kid who actually tried to do something.

I dont know why people expect from Rashord to be the best player of our team or even a decent backup. His role, i hope, is to never be a decent backup, but a star. All the players at this age are hot and cold, dont expect them to be decent backups, which actually means to be able to reach your standards week in week out.
 
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I am amazed that in fellaini's thread he gets praised for doing his job, which just included passing the ball to the player besides him, and here some are critical of a 19 years old kid who actually tried to do something.

I dont know why people expect from Rashord to be the best player of our team or even a decent backup. His role, i hope, is to never be a decent backup, but a star. All the players at this age are hot and cold, dont expect them to be decent backups, which actually means to be able to reach your standards week in week out.


Glad to see at least two people have some sense and rationality in their views and assessment of him, shame about the rest who talk a load of utter rubbish and have unrealistic expectations of him.
 
Exactly, we can not develop our own players at the cost of winning stuff. When it comes to elite football, the very very top, you have to use the very best. There are so few of them out there that prices go up to crazy levels. The second tire is not enough at all. Only the very BEST. Just look at the players Real Madrid are taking in and spitting out. They don't even persist with world record fees players. Second best is first out. Age is not even a factor in this game.
They don't even persist with word record fee players. True. But they own the most pricey squad and two out of their front three were record fee players.
 
The fact that both Rashford and Martial look subdued this season suggests that there's another factor
suppressing them, probably the same one that see's a talented, potentially great leftback exiled.

Losing three such talents isn't worth pandering to Mourinho's petulant reluctance/inability to polish diamonds, as Chelsea would testify with De Bruyne and Lukaku.
 
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