He didn't mind doing it with Eto who was more established. What you are asking for is that we play a classic 4-4-2, which Mourinho has never played or that we confine our soon to be £100m signing to a midfield two - a position he hasn't excelled in thus far. Its a give and take scenario, to get those vital minutes he's gonna have to play anywhere he's told to. Playing two strikers is not just feasible looking at the number of No.10s we have around. Using him and Martial as wing forwards is the only option we have now.
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Yeezus, some of the responses on the page of the last quote
It's an especially hilarious criticism if you watched him when he was younger. Before his (still relatively recent) growth spurt, he was a tiny pacy playmaker, rather than a forward. He was almost pure technique, and it was his technique that had people identifying him as one of the academy's best talents.
12 goals 5 assists im going for
Stop being knee-jerk. He does need to improve technically, especially dribbling where s lot of the time it's just hit and run. Playing a half against a tired centre back in pre-season isn't going to change my opinion.
People on this forum seem to judge players on a game by game basis constantly changing their opinion
Couldn't agree more
Ah okay, makes sense.
You would have a point if Rashford hadn't already shown in multiple serious games that he can dribble past players.
Okay he proved me wrong and I am very happy he turned out to be one of our cornerstone players. Don't be a dick. Last time I checked a youngster proving a doubter wrong is a good thing.
Truth was in his first games with us he didn't look technically sound on the ball, a lot more games later it turned out that it was not the case. So please calm down this incessant need to brand his early doubters as ridiculous "technical experts who don't have a clue what they are talking about". I find this rhetoric insulting,pathetic,and childish ;moreover, on a forum any poster has a right to make an observation just like conversely any poster can refute them with their own opinions based on their own observations.
Thank you for finding this. I remember reading this at the time and being shocked. How fecking blind can you be to criticise Rashford's technical attributes?
His first two games he looked extremely raw and besides pace I seen nothing special about his technique. Having played more I really got a better appreciation of how technically sound he is and a tremendous dribbler too... the last 8 minutes against Iceland alone.. WoW.
I don't think there is nothing wrong with peoples concerns at first..
Exactly and in m opinion, your concerns were valid. But multiple people in this thread don't believe we have a right to exercise our free speech. Quite shameful and even authoritarian of them.
If that's true it's quite incredible story really, he looks very powerful right now (watch his pen-winning run last night).
This. I was afraid we're promoting another "I'm all about pace" player like Wilson and had some concerns about his technique, but I'm getting more excited with each time I see Marcus. Considering his age I think we have superb talent on our hands.
Taking what I said out of context? Childish @Kevin
I love your mocking tone about 8 mins v Iceland while trying to justify criticising him after two games....
Most posters were saying it's hard to judge a young player. It's not just after his first few games..people were slamming his technique at the end of the season as well when comparing him to his City counterpart.
Please tell me what is wrong with him expressing concerns he saw early on?
Edited my post. It wasn't just at the start of his career as you're trying to claim. Check out the Rashford v Iehanacho (fecking spelling) thread
Some of the comments are strange with other people calling out previous posters who criticized his dribbling (after he made one good dribbling run ).
As much as I rate him, I don't think he's dribbling is overly special tbh.
).As much as I rate him, I don't think he's dribbling is overly special tbh.
Come on nobody's saying you don't have a right to that opinion. It's just being called out as wrong. To be fair you can't complain. Judging an 18 year old purely on his first two appearances is myopic. It deserves a bit of criticism.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/marcus-rashford-2015-16-performances.415079/page-49#post-19355624
June 6th! Hardly early on...and that's the first page i looked at
June 6th! Hardly early on...and that's the first page i looked at
If you can't criticize a player early on then you damn well can't give a player any praises early on either. It goes both ways. Besides all opinions are subject to change when new evidence\observations arises.
You can criticise him. Nobody's saying you can't. What other posters are saying is that you're judgement was wrong. He'd barely played any reserve football and was thrust into the first team at 18. Two performances later it was declared by yourself he was similar to Hernandez. Again you can't be surprised when others point how how wrong you were.
Personally there's no way I'd be judging a young player so early on.
I think people bashing on the Rashford's dribbling basing their views on aesthetics IMO. In fact, when he carries the ball it looks clumsy a bit and as if he wouldn't have a complete control over the football, which he does in his own way though. It reminds me of people who constantly argue that Thomas Muller has an average technique just because it doesn't look "right", even though he pulls off a ridiculous amount of technically difficult tricks and shots.Some of the comments are strange with other people calling out previous posters who criticized his dribbling (after he made one good dribbling run
As much as I rate him, I don't think he's dribbling is overly special tbh.
I just appreciate his directness in his play and that he has the intelligence at such a young age to able to lure players in, then madly accelerate to beat his man or draw the foul. So many young players nowadays like to dilly dally on the ball and slow down the momentum rather than being decisive. I am glad Rashford has the confidence and smarts at a young age.Some of the comments are strange with other people calling out previous posters who criticized his dribbling (after he made one good dribbling run
As much as I rate him, I don't think he's dribbling is overly special tbh.
He doesn't have that ball 'glued to his feet' level of dribbling like Martial or Hazard but he's solid in that regard.
As a forward you dont need the ball to be glued to your feet always . He have shown plents of time that he can hold the ball well , can beat the defender for pace or trickery , have a good touch and close control and damn good finishing . What is people expect more from an 18 year old
So true, and that plays down to his attitude as well as his technical ability. He has the desire and dedication to make things happen.
Mmm good comparison actually.
I see a Chicharito Hernandez in his game. Runs his ass off, makes clever runs, and is a pretty damn good finisher. However, he dosen't look like much of a dribbler to me or someone who is that technically gifted and can pick out a fantastic pass. I don't think trying him out-wide would do him any favors. He is a pure striker.
Great game today.
I didn't make any declarations. It was an astute observation based on what i had seen in the game. I still today believe he is a pure center forward but that is another conversation. Notice key words "see"," look" "think"
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Yikes!
Someone saying he isn't a technically excellent passer (or at least, hasn't showed it yet), I might understand. But there are very few CF's who have the other qualities he has, and are good passers/playmakers. But that poster also criticized his dribbling! Wow.
How do you explain this then? Clearly people getting mad over criticism
He's past the age of improving much technically, he's now just got to learn when to make use of his pace to 'hit it and run' past people and when to do something else. Nothing wrong with that approach, even Brazilian Ronaldo often used to just knock it into space and use his pace to get there first. You're making it sound like he should only ever dribble like Messi.
While I understand where you are coming from earlier in your posts...all opinions are subject to change when confronted with new evidence;however, that dosent mean that you disregard the evidence that you based your original opinion on.
Correct. In addition, he is only going to get better as he plays with accomplished center forwards and learns from his mistakes.
I don't think there is an aspect of the game you can't improve on significantly at the age of 18.
He can improve for sure, but much of his technical ability is already there. That stuff is largely taught at younger age groups.
What is the notion that you can't improve your technique after a certain age? That sounds a little ridiculous. Otherwise, I agree with you. If he can be anything close to Brazilian Ronaldo then I'm over the moon - not THAT pacy though.
I think it's because your beliefs are based on very little evidence tbf. He's played on the wing for England and done well and he was only converted to playing up front by McGuinness at about 16/17. Before that he was a winger. A very highly rated winger. So to suggest he can't play there and is just an average footballer who is pacy and can finish may be true, but based on the available evidence is rather unlikely.
I agree with what you say about technique (more so techniques not attached to set-pieces). It wont change much from after 18 (or even younger) The can improve on things they already do well, but can#t become a great dribbler/passer if they haven't shown that skill previously.
I don't even think it's taught, though. It's natural. No amount of training can get a kid to Messi's level of dribbling. So much goes into making a player dribble that well. Reaction speed; gait; balance; the ability to see things without looking as closely as others... Things that can't be really be taught beyond a certain level. Each person's body can only move how it's physically able to move.
By the age of 18, a player has been running with the same gait, the same balance, at the same speed, and with the same agility... for too long for it to be changed very much. Muscle memory.
Stop throwing your toys out. Your posts were shit and Kevin dug them up. Everyone ha shit posts on here, me included. In future, perhaps you should abstain from posting complete garbage after a youth player had played all of 4 games and people not might bring up your shitty posts. Just a thought...
As for my post, anyone calling Rashford technically very poor, with poor control and touch and someone who trips over himself deserve to be ridiculed. It's a ridiculous opinion and was obvious even at the time. So, unlike the Willian fanboy said, it's not knee jerk.
Caf is obsessed with technique and any player who's not particularly easy on the eye is called technically poor. Rashford is a great talent and exceedingly effective. If his 'technically' poor then so be it. The rest of us can enjoy his goals and assists for United while people moan about his technique.
What I loved about it the most is started where he left off.....too often we seen young players fail to deliver especially after the hype. Seriously this lad could be whatever he wants to be....best attacking prospect since Giggs IMO
Its quite difficult to define Rashford style of play. Does he play direct? Yes, but its little more than that. Lot of similarities to Vardy but with a higher ceiling and little tricks up his sleeves. As a defender you'd think that you know what he's gonna do , but he pulls a quick trick out of no where not Ronaldo'ish(Brazilian) but enough to wrong foot the defender . Thats what causing all the problems, you cannot predict his style of play. One more worrying fact for the defenders is that he'll beat 8/10 defenders for pace. He seem to play with one agenda , "play simple" and its working.
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