[AR87]

Really would like him to start in place of Mata or at least come on early in the 2nd half for him. If we play on the counter as I expect, we need another pacey player up front other than Martial. I also can't see Mourinho dropping Rooney for a match like this where I suspect he'll give his 10 significant defensive responsibilities.

 

[sammsky1]

Think Alladyce deserves some credit for this: The kind of confidence Rashford will get from this is brilliant.

Personally Im not in too much of a rush for him to get 1st Xi status at England or United. Just keep building his skills, experience and confidence so that when he does become a proper regular, he does not have too much to learn on the job and can hit the ground fully running.

Still, a brilliant amazing and rare start to a career: he is clearly a wonderkid type emerging player who would cost plenty of $$$ for anybody to purchase.

 

[Lennon7]

It was purely my preference, I wasn't saying it as fact.

Aye that's fair enough, but I've seen it so much on here that people think Mkhi was being saved for the City game I thought it was the general caf thought.

Anyway, how would Rashford slip in if Mkhi wasn't gonna start? On the right?

 

[In Rainbows]

That 2nd goal is just more of a sign that he has that move in his consistent arsenal rather than just innovating on the fly. He almost scored against Hull with that move too.

 

[khoazany]

He just belong to top flight football.

 

[Jaybomb]

Really would like him to start in place of Mata or at least come on early in the 2nd half for him. If we play on the counter as I expect, we need another pacey player up front other than Martial. I also can't see Mourinho dropping Rooney for a match like this where I suspect he'll give his 10 significant defensive responsibilities.

He's not a winger for me. I'd love to see us go the traditional United formation and play a 442 with him and Zlatan up top...

Mkhitaryan - Pogba - Fellaini - Martial
Rashford - Zlatan

But... Rooney won't be dropped.

 

[bosnian_red]

Just saw the rest of the highlights of the game. That bit of play where he was in but the keeper saved was almost more impressive then his goals even. His goals we all know he can do, quickly run in behind and slot it home. But the play where he could have scored had a great first touch, quick move on to his left foot and then striking right away is perfect striker play. Okay the keeper saved it, but it was still class.

4:36 in this video

 

[Keenst]

He seems to score with almost every shot he takes. That can't continue forever but it's been pretty amazing to see so far.

 

[The United]

It is funny how people want him to play on wings especially on the right when his strength is attacking the last line and finishing. Why on earth you want to play him away from the goal?

As long as Zlatan is not going to play like shit for now, it is best we bring Rashford for the last 30 mins to work on tiring legs. People want to take out Rooney or Mata for him. But why would zlatan place would be safe? If he plays like shit for whatever reason later on, he should be dropped too just as lots of caf want with Rooney.

Unless of course people are avoiding to go to that kind of discussion with their new toy who is here for a short term anyway.

 

[RedElf]

Nothing seems to faze him, can score on any level it seems.

 

[Lawman]

It is funny how people want him to play on wings especially on the right when his strength is attacking the last line and finishing. Why on earth you want to play him away from the goal?

As long as Zlatan is not going to play like shit for now, it is best we bring Rashford for the last 30 mins to work on tiring legs. People want to take out Rooney or Mata for him. But why would zlatan place would be safe? If he plays like shit for whatever reason later on, he should be dropped too just as lots of caf want with Rooney.

Unless of course people are avoiding to go to that kind of discussion with their new toy who is here for a short term anyway.

Think it's more Rooney and Mata have underwhelmed in these positions and Rashford looks like he would be an upgrade on both. Zlatan has got off to a great start so dropping him would be daft (new toy or not).

 

[The United]

Think it's more Rooney and Mata have underwhelmed in these positions and Rashford looks like he would be an upgrade on both. Zlatan has got off to a great start so dropping him would be daft (new toy or not).

How would a clinical finisher be upgrade on both positions that Rooney and Mata play?

Also Rooney and Mata have NOT underwhelmed. They have goals and assists. It is too early to say either way. If Zlatan hasa got off to a great start, they are not too far behind themselves either.

 

[ivaldo]

It is funny how people want him to play on wings especially on the right when his strength is attacking the last line and finishing. Why on earth you want to play him away from the goal?

As long as Zlatan is not going to play like shit for now, it is best we bring Rashford for the last 30 mins to work on tiring legs. People want to take out Rooney or Mata for him. But why would zlatan place would be safe? If he plays like shit for whatever reason later on, he should be dropped too just as lots of caf want with Rooney.

Unless of course people are avoiding to go to that kind of discussion with their new toy who is here for a short term anyway.

I would play him on the right with Mkhi in the middle and Martial on the left bring Ibrahimovic, although that isn't Rashford's best position, it's still the best starting XI. And it's not as if doesn't know how to play on the right.

 

[Lawman]

How would a clinical finisher be upgrade on both positions that Rooney and Mata play?

Also Rooney and Mata have NOT underwhelmed. They have goals and assists. It is too early to say either way.

Mata and Rooney have underwhelmed for over a season now (it is anything but too early to say this) Rashford has more to his game than goals. His directness and pace frightens defenders and give us a great outlet. Will he be any better not sure but he deserves his chance both on the wing and alongside Zlatan.

 

[The United]

I would play him on the right with Mkhi in the middle and Martial on the left bring Ibrahimovic, although that isn't Rashford's best position, it's still the best starting XI. And it's not as if doesn't know how to play on the right.

His best role atm is to bring him to play with whoever that will be holding the front line in 2nd half. Playing him on the right would add some pace we need but from the start, you need some kind of advanced player maker who passing is good on 3rd stage.

I suspect that both LVG and Jose play Mata and maybe mkhi later to have some creativity as Rooney is not exactly that though he has his other usefulness. Even lingard would suit more than Rashford on the right.

 

[The United]

Mata and Rooney have underwhelmed for over a season now (it is anything but too early to say this) Rashford has more to his game than goals. His directness and pace frightens defenders and give us a great outlet. Will he be any better not sure but he deserves his chance both on the wing and alongside Zlatan.

What?! Rooney plays as no 10, unless zlatan is as good as or better than him in that position, it makes no sense to play Rashford in no 10....

Mata has been underwhelmed for over a season? Have you ever looked at his stats? Don't come and tell me about how stats does not talk whole story and shit. He has been playing as advanced role which main task is to make goals.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

How would a clinical finisher be upgrade on both positions that Rooney and Mata play?

Also Rooney and Mata have NOT underwhelmed. They have goals and assists. It is too early to say either way. If Zlatan hasa got off to a great start, they are not too far behind themselves either.

He is a bit limited, isn't he? All he does is score goals.

 

[Lawman]

What?! Rooney play as no 10, unless zlatan is as good as or better than him in that position, it makes no sense to play Rashford in no 10....

Mata has been underwhelmed for over a season? Have you ever looked at his stats? Don't come and tell me about how stats does not talk whole story and shit. He has been playing as advanced role which main task is to make goals.

Stats are a what they are I go to the games and Mata is average with bits of quality sprinkled. He kills us out wide but I'd like to see him as our 10. Rooney looks out of place in our team. Rashford could easily play and double up with Zlatan with Zlatan coming deep.

 

[ivaldo]

His best role atm is to bring him to play with whoever that will be holding the front line in 2nd half. Playing him on the right would add some pace we need but from the start, you need some kind of advanced player maker who passing is good on 3rd stage.

I suspect that both LVG and Jose play Mata and maybe mkhi later to have some creativity as Rooney is not exactly that though he has his other usefulness. Even lingard would suit more than Rashford on the right.

Mhki, Zlatan, Pogba and Martial is more than enough creativity to not miss Mata too much. With Rashford on the right we are genuine threat from all 3 points of attack, that's incredibly difficult to defend against.

 

[The United]

He is a bit limited, isn't he? All he does is score goals.

No, but finishing is the most valuable thing for him and us. You play someone like him close to the last line.

He is hardly a bale or ronaldo to come from wide to cut in and bang goals from 20-30 m out , is he?

Also playing from the right to score while you being right footed is a tad harder than coming from left where Martial occupies that slot and exactly the type of wide forward we need from the left. Unless of course he goes shit for long and gets dropped.

 

[The United]

Mhki, Zlatan, Pogba and Martial is more than enough creativity to not miss Mata too much. With Rashford on the right we are genuine threat from all 3 points of attack, that's incredibly difficult to defend against.

Where are you going to play him and mhki together as we all know Rooney won't be dropped any time soon?

Pogba plays a tad deeper to do that kind of passing/playmaking. The creativity I am talking about is having decent vision and passing. Martial is nothing like that. If Zlatan is doing it, Rash should be playing off him but then where do we put Rooney. Assuming Zlatan is even good at it.

 

[The United]

Stats are a what they are I go to the games and Mata is average with bits of quality sprinkled. He kills us out wide but I'd like to see him as our 10. Rooney looks out of place in our team. Rashford could easily play and double up with Zlatan with Zlatan coming deep.

Going to the games does not make your opinion more valid while stats showed how many goals Mata has been making for the last 3 years. There is a reason why Jose starts the season with him even though almost everyone was sure that mata will be out just like BFS back in the days.

I do have some frustration with the right wing not having much pace or too narrow but we have 2 slow strikers in the middle which Jose won't drop for awhile.

No one knows if Zlatan is decent at playing as no 10 or coming deep in jose system especially jose likes his no 10 or whatever that role to go up and down a lot which he does not do much or should do at his age.

 

[ivaldo]

Where are you going to play him and mhki together as we all know Rooney won't be dropped any time soon?

Pogba plays a tad deeper to do that kind of passing/playmaking. The creativity I am talking about is having decent vision and passing. Martial is nothing like that. If Zlatan is doing it, Rash should be playing off him but then where do we put Rooney. Assuming Zlatan is even good at it.

There's more than one type of creativity, beating a man and cutting the ball back for a tap in is just as creative as a 25 yard pinpoint pass. Pogba doesn't play too deep to be a playmaker, he'll lay on plenty of goals this season, Mhki creates plenty of goals too.

Well the same question could be posed to you, where will you play Mhki when neither Mata or Rooney have been dropped? Its all hypothetical and about the teams we'd like to see.

 

[The United]

There's more than one type of creativity, beating a man and cutting the ball back for a tap in is just as creative as a 25 yard pinpoint pass. Pogba doesn't play too deep to be a playmaker, he'll lay on plenty of goals this season, Mhki creates plenty of goals too.

Well the same question could be posed to you, where will you play Mhki when neither Mata or Rooney have been dropped? Its all hypothetical and about the teams we'd like to see.

I am saying mata has been the main creator for us for the past 3 seasons and still looks to be one this season despite some obvious weakness with him for us. It does not matter how you define what you call creativity when the stats show who is the main goal makers. You just don't bench him just because we have different type of midfielders who may or may not suit the system/the league long term let alone as good as him.

You can't ask me that question because I never said I will play mhki. I just pointed out that people want to drop everyone around but Zlatan for rashford who ironically should play and learn as no 9. He might not be ready to take over him atm. That's why I said bring him the last 20 - 30 mins into the games and see how he does to either take over Martial place if he does not recovery his form or even Zlatan if he plays better. Why not? In the end, rashford is one to build up for long term.

So far I like Mata starts on the right then sub him for mhki or lingard on 2nd half depends on the game for now.

 

[ivaldo]

I am saying mata has been the main creator for us for the past 3 seasons and still looks to be one this season despite some obvious weakness with him for us. It does not matter how you define what you call creativity when the stats show who is the main goal makers. You just don't bench him just because we have different type of midfielders who may or may not suit the system/the league long term let alone as good as him.

You can't ask me that question because I never said I will play mhki. I just pointed out that people want to drop everyone around but Zlatan for rashford who ironically should plays and learn at the same position. He might not be ready to take over him. I don't know. That's why I said bring him the last 20 - 30 mins into the games and see how he does to either take over Martial place if he does not recovery his form or even Zlatan if he plays better. Why not? In the end, rashford is one to build up for long term.

So far I like Mata starts on the right then sub him for mhki or lingard on 2nd half depends on the game for now.

Drop everyone around? Everyone would happily drop Rooney for a goldfish atm and the only other one most people want dropped is Mata. If you want to argue stats then Mhki blows Mata out of the water when it comes assists last season. We have brought in Pogba, Mhki and Zlatan who all bring a hell of a lot more creativity than we had last season which negates the necessity to play a player like Mata out wide. Having that added pace and ability to take players on on the right flank we can finally start truly stretching teams. At the moment the opposition left back can sit incredibly high on Mata, with Rashford there they can't afford to leave so much space in behind, that makes a huge difference.

 

[Wade3]

Drop everyone around? Everyone would happily drop Rooney for a goldfish atm and the only other one most people want dropped is Mata. If you want to argue stats then Mhki blows Mata out of the water when it comes assists last season. We have brought in Pogba, Mhki and Zlatan who all bring a hell of a lot more creativity than we had last season which negates the necessity to play a player like Mata out wide. Having that added pace and ability to take players on on the right flank we can finally start truly stretching teams. At the moment the opposition left back can sit incredibly high on Mata, with Rashford there they can't afford to leave so much space in behind, that makes a huge difference.

In a different league with a different, much more offensive-minded team while Mata had to play under LvG.
The poster you quoted pointed out that for us, Mata was the most creative player.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I've just seen his goals for England U21's. All well taken goals. His second goal was phenomenal. Very similar to the goal he scored against West Ham. Simply amazing.

Took a big deflection though. Goals aside, his all round game was superb. Seriously impressive.

 

[ivaldo]

In a different league with a different, much more offensive-minded team while Mata had to play under LvG.
The poster you quoted pointed out that for us, Mata was the most creative player.

Well of course he's going to be more creative than Zlatan, Mikhi and Pogba last season, they didn't play for us then!

As you so aptly pointed out the team we have this year plays absolutely nothing like we did last year, infact if anything it plays more like Mhkis Dortmund than it does LVG's United.

Instead of focusing on what Mata does well for us but refuse to look at his biggest weakness, do you not think that having a goal scorer who is rapid and has the ability to take his man on is a massive plus over Juan Mata on the right?

 

[The United]

Drop everyone around? Everyone would happily drop Rooney for a goldfish atm and the only other one most people want dropped is Mata. If you want to argue stats then Mhki blows Mata out of the water when it comes assists last season. We have brought in Pogba, Mhki and Zlatan who all bring a hell of a lot more creativity than we had last season which negates the necessity to play a player like Mata out wide. Having that added pace and ability to take players on on the right flank we can finally start truly stretching teams. At the moment the opposition left back can sit incredibly high on Mata, with Rashford there they can't afford to leave so much space in behind, that makes a huge difference.

Rooney won't be dropped for awhile as we know it. Mata has vision and passing to do some damage on final 3rd unlike anyone else in our forward lines from the midfield as his stats would prove. Bringing pogba etc is fine because he does not exactly play the role jose has mata playing. He adds a very much needed steel in front of the back 4 and break the line with his dribbling which is what we need. But that does not mean he is a playmaker. Not atm. He just has a different role.

How on earth mhki's assist on other league has anything to do with EPL?

You stretch the teams when they are tired, yeah? So having Mata who does not need pace to create things suits well with the way we have to play in first half most of the time. And you bring pace on with Rash, mhki , lingard etc on 2nd half to do the damage on tiring legs. If we have better out and out wingers or fowards, it would have been good but we don't. Jose hasn't fixed the right side and is playing like basically LVG's set up with better players. I said set up though, not the same philosophy or whatever crap before someone comes in and talks shit.

 

[The United]

Well of course he's going to be more creative than Zlatan, Mikhi and Pogba last season, they didn't play for us then!

As you so aptly pointed out the team we have this year plays absolutely nothing like we did last year, infact if anything it plays more like Mhkis Dortmund than it does LVG's United.

Instead of focusing on what Mata does well for us but refuse to look at his biggest weakness, do you not think that having a goal scorer who is rapid and has the ability to take his man on is a massive plus over Juan Mata on the right?

What? Instead of focusing on what he does well for us? ....

It is still good because both LVG and Jose have been playing him there. That's all you need to know and the proof that you need to see.

 

[JohnnyLaw]

Just looking at stats Mata's been little more creative than Rooney in the last few years. We can do without that sort of "creativity".

 

[LuisNaniencia]

Aye that's fair enough, but I've seen it so much on here that people think Mkhi was being saved for the City game I thought it was the general caf thought.

Anyway, how would Rashford slip in if Mkhi wasn't gonna start? On the right?

Yeah I'd play him on the right. He's in too good form in to leave out and so is Ibra so think he'll have to be on the right.

 

[The United]

Just looking at stats Mata's been little more creative than Rooney in the last few years. We can do without that sort of "creativity".

Or it tells you both of them are still very much decent for us and which is why both LVG and Jose have been playing them for awhile.

 

[fatboy]

Wouldn't mind seeing Rashford play on the left in Martials place.

It's almost scandalous to bench someone when he's on this sort of form, and Martial has been looking rather out of sorts.

 

[JohnnyLaw]

Or it tells you both of them are still very much decent for us and which is why both LVG and Jose have been playing them for awhile.

Decent doesn't cut it at Manchester United. We've been shit going forward for several seasons now and they've both been part of that.

 

[The United]

Decent doesn't cut it at Manchester United. We've been shit going forward for several seasons now and they've both been part of that.

Or they both have been part of a team who have been shit in attacking or a manager who does not like to commit numbers on attacks.

You know it can go both ways.

And, it is not like they are making better EPL proven players with better stats sitting on the bench.

So 'decent does not cut it at Manchester United' argument does not cut it here atm.

 

[JohnnyLaw]

Or they have been both part of a team who have been shit in attacking or a manager who does not like to commit numbers on attacks.

You know it can go both ways.

Those two in attack are holding us back. Martial at 19 could perform last year yet they, seasoned pro's and teo of our highest earners, couldn't.

 

[ivaldo]

What? Instead of focusing on what he does well for us? ....

It is still good because both LVG and Jose have been playing him there. That's all you need to know and the proof that you need to see.

They also play Rooney at the #10 does that mean hes the best option available to us there or does it not count when you don't agree with it?

 

[The United]

They also play Rooney at the #10 does that mean hes the best option available to us there or does it not count when you don't agree with it?

Does not matter if I agree or not. I am saying I can understand why both managers are playing him there.

I mean don't most of you guys want jose here coz he is the best manager and knows his shit but plays rooney there anyway. So is he shit or are people who think they know about football shit?

Of course you can say forums are for arguing bla bla but it does not make it fun when 90% of people think they know what is best over 2 managers who are successful in that industry.

Just makes me wonder.

 

[JohnnyLaw]

And, it is not like they are making better EPL proven players with better stats sitting on the bench.
.

Actually, as of now, they are. Premier league proven is a bullshit term and neither of Mata or Rooney could be called premiership proven after their last few seasons. 'Disproven' more like it. Mkhitaryan and Rashford would do better than them without a doubt, and without Rooney in the team we could even have Pogba playing a more free role.