Yeah that kind of untidy tackling was typical Heinze.
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Yeah that kind of untidy tackling was typical Heinze.
Jones is 22. He has an excuse. If he's still like that in a couple of years, then I'd worry.
Smalling most definitely does have a brain, today's antics not withstanding. What most people doubt about him is his ability on the ball, but that seems to be getting better.
Rojo always seems to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. There's a world of difference to the other two.
Everyone seems to be being extremely harsh on him. I'd much rather he was playing than any of our other centre backs at the moment. Which is a shame because he obviously won't be now.
But am I imagining it, or was there not a tackle for which he won universal praise (at least around these parts,) that fit that description? I honestly don't trust my memory these days.
I think people are being harsh. I think he looked alright today.
I liked him mostly because he was the only fit CB we had, and now he did a Jones, shame. As for his defending, you only need to look at his "marking" of Aguero when Aguero and de Gea colided to realise he is far from great defender.
There are some crazy overreactions about. He had a decent game before he got injured.
Smalling did too for that matter, other than 2 terrible decisions that are all anyone will remember.
He is getting better every match it's just a shame about the injury as he will be out for a while now unfortunately.
So out for anywhere between 6 and 14 weeks? I know he's got a rash streak but I think he's shown some positives and is currently our best option in the LCB role. Given LvG's insistence of having one left footed CB does that mean Blackett is set for a run of starts?
He looks like a bad version of David Luiz (or like a left footer Phil Jones) and has looked so in every match he has played at LB. No idea if that is just temporary (new league, team, language etc) or that is his style of 'defending'.
Break the bank for Laporte and we will have fixed half of central defense for 10 years. He's arguably the best young CB on the world and would instantly be our best CB. Still think that it was a bit dump for us to not sign Benatia on the summer, which would have fixed the other half of central defense.
Hoping that Rojo completely changes my opinion, but in these matches for us (and for Argentina in WC and Copa America when he played as a left back) I have seen nothing to suggest that he may become e very good central defender.
Again no idea why we didn't sign Garay who would have been cheaper and is easily better than Rojo.
Break the bank for Laporte and we will have fixed half of central defense for 10 years. He's arguably the best young CB on the world and would instantly be our best CB. Still think that it was a bit dump for us to not sign Benatia on the summer, which would have fixed the other half of central defense.
Hoping that Rojo completely changes my opinion, but in these matches for us (and for Argentina in WC and Copa America when he played as a left back) I have seen nothing to suggest that he may become e very good central defender.
Again no idea why we didn't sign Garay who would have been cheaper and is easily better than Rojo.
I'd rather have a player who's overly aggressive than one who's too passive if i'm honest. I Think that it's easier to reign it in a bit than it is to pull it out if it doesn't come naturally. He's still young, his decisionmaking will improve. It's an important trait to have in the PL as the tempo will force you to act on instinct and to make quick decisions. There was one time in the game where Aguero went through two players and was going 1 on 1 vs Rojo where he just put it all on the line and made a good challenge to keep him from going free with De Gea. Another player might have been more passive, stood up and got outrun but Rojo won't. Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't but wih time i'm confident that he'll make the right decisions more often than not. He could very well be our next Vidic, the question is if we can find a Ferdinandesque player to compliment him.
laughing my fecking ass off at this friend. "Bad David Luiz" and "Our worst defender ever".
I don't really understand why he's not getting universal praise tbh. Been doing very well in ridiculously testing circumstance.
Rojo was the back up plan for Vermaelen - that says it all about our defensive recruitment policy under LvG.
He seemed to forget who was gonna replace Vida & Rio more importantly too. What planet was he on, when every man & his dog was saying how shite & injury-prone our defence was.
To me, he was cocky & just thought he had a magic wand to make non-United standard defenders into world beaters.
So f*cked off with LvG about this!
He seemed to forget who was gonna replace Vida & Rio more importantly too. What planet was he on, when every man & his dog was saying how shite & injury-prone our defence was.
To me, he was cocky & just thought he had a magic wand to make non-United standard defenders into world beaters.
So f*cked off with LvG about this!
Because with every great defence that made United great, we compare the new defence.
So, how do you compare our new defence to the other great defences of previous years - most recently, the defence that massively helped get us to 3 Champions League finals in 4 years?
Obviously worse. But thats such an utterly irrelevant factoid that I have no idea why you'd bring it up. Lest we forget that the 'the defence that massively helped get us to 3 Champions League finals in 4 years' was comprised of two players in Evra and Vidic that most people thought were utterly shite for at least the first 6 months of their career at the club, despite getting their starts in far less trying circumstances than Rojo has.
I'm starting to change my mind about rojo, i think he's a really good defender and in time will prove a lot of people wrong.
He did OK today but that's about it. 'OK' seems to be his level. I think he will make a good squad player, he can play the two positions and can do a job but he's not good enough to be starting 40+ games a season imo.
Agree with that!
Blessing in disguise.
Wahey
Evra and Vidic struggled with the pace and physicality of a league they joined in midseason, whereas Rojo just seems to not be very intelligent. I just don't see a first team player in him long term.
Yeah he's no leader like Lovren.
And again, another person randomly brings a Liverpool player into a discussion about a United player. Strange that.
He's about the same level as Sakho who last year you lot were hailing as the second coming...
Give it a rest. That wasn't a part of any "discussion", it was a dig at a United player and people replied in kind.
Aye, its a shame we don't have excellent defenders like Lovren, Skrtel, Toure, Johnson, Sakho.
Why doesn't he seem intelligent to you? And why does that matter? Terry strikes as as thick as pig shit, but he's been one of the best defenders in the league for nigh on ten years.
Footballing intelligence, I mean. Messing up offside traps, getting caught out of position and diving in recklessly to challenges.
Granted, he's not the only one on our books who's guilty of that, but at least someone like Jones has the excuse of lacking playing time at CB. Not to mention several years on Rojo.
Nah. He's been better than Lovren, but Sakho was better.
It would've been a blessing in disguise had he been injured. He's an average/poor player and Smalling, Jones amd McNair all are/have looked significantly better.
Yes, we have shit defenders (still think Sakho is good). I don't see the relevance to my comment on Rojo though.
I don't think thats to do with intelligence though. I just think its a lack of understanding with the players he's playing with. Case in point, I slated him on here for West Broms second, because he should have dropped off when Jones went to challenge, but I don't think thats because he's not intelligent, just a lack of understanding that Jones is an idiot and would go to challenge for that ball.
I think he reads the game quite well, which is pretty much the only criteria of being 'intelligent' I really care about, he doesn't seem to take unnecessary risks with his passing and if he can form a partnership with anyone you'll see the decision making improve.
I respect you're actually basing your opinion on a tangible observation on what he's doing on the pitch though. Far too many posts in here have people writing him off with no justification.
I think Rojo is a match for Jones on this score, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I see him as being of a similar quality to Silvestre.
I don't care about any other kind of intelligence either.
As a Liverpool fan what do you expect?
Time will tell I guess, todays injury scare was very Jones like. I think he'll need leadership alongside him to bring out the best in him long term. Unfortunately no one offers that.
yeah i think he is awesome really, particularly his performances in the last 2 matches have been outstanding.
I have been training handball when i was younger and my friend dislocated his shoulder and trainer came and fix it when my friend was in shock. He was able to play handball pretty soon.
The other example which come through my mind was one of the ski-jumpers who dislocated his shoulder when he fell and there were people who could fix it straigth away. He was able to jumping the next day.
Is Rojo example familiar? i was confused when some people was talking he would be away for half a season.
Didnt rate much before and certainly dont since i've seen him in the EPL, not for a side aspiring to be title winners within a few seasons anyway.
Average passer, rash and offers little in the way of confidence to the back line. Oddly enough a poorer version of Luiz is probably an apt description, in that his positional awareness and lack of sense will see him give so many goals away.
Also, has he not actually injured himself or what?
Average passer, rash and offers little in the way of confidence to the back line. Oddly enough a poorer version of Luiz is probably an apt description, in that his positional awareness and lack of sense will see him give so many goals away.
Also, has he not actually injured himself or what?
Going a bit far that. He is improving, which is certainly a good sign but I would hardly say his performance has been "awesome". Anyway, glad his injury does not seems to be too severe.
Must be referring to his tackle on Toure.
Hope the injury isn't too bad. We need the bodies in CB because we just can't get them all fit.