I think he will start out playing LWB this weekend given our current injury situation, but if we are sticking with a back 3 I think he will mainly be deployed as a LCB once Shaw is fit.
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I think he will start out playing LWB this weekend given our current injury situation, but if we are sticking with a back 3 I think he will mainly be deployed as a LCB once Shaw is fit.
Why does the quality of the league matter in terms of player comparison? It´s about the players and not the quality of the league. Plenty of quality players have come from less glamorous leagues and have succeeded. Other have failed. Same with players from top leagues of europe. Káká came from AC Milan and the italian league who is obviously better than the portuguese league. Coentrão came from Benfica and our league. Who had the best Real Madrid career? Who offered more guarantees before both joined? Things aren´t as linear. It´s about the quality and caractheristics of a player. In Rojo´s case, he has the assets for a swift adaptation to english football. Will he suceed? No idea. Nothing is certain. But who would have thought that Shevchenko would fail at Chelsea?
By saying that thiago silva is more qualified than rojo?
Sure mate.I am slating the person who was saying it will be a success because vidic/evra were. Not the actual signing.
I think it would be a little bit of gamble to play him on Sat. Hes new to team and CB/LWB position is not the position you can play straight away in a new system. I think either Rafa starts on right and Young on left or Young on right and James on the left. Our centreback three are good enough if they stay in 3. He will be lucky to be on the bench against Sunderland.
No, for start you said Evra was a member of Monaco, CL finalists, and Rojo did nothing for Argentina, WC finalists. That's just for a start.By saying that thiago silva is more qualified than rojo?
I am slating the person who was saying it will be a success because vidic/evra were. Not the actual signing.
Either way I give up, must be fun talking to you in person if it's so fun on forum. Twisting and turning things just to fit your agenda against Rojo.
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so when will we get the customary pic with the jersey pic?
I was expecting the medical to be done by morning today. it will be weird if everything is completed and announced by today.
I was expecting the medical to be done by morning today. it will be weird if everything is completed and announced by today.
Nothing but he got on WC team of the tournament. How´s that possible. He also got big praise from Diego Maradona and Simeone. Portuguese league isn´t a top league in europe but we have been doing very well in European competitions and the top clubs have some quality. Just look at the Uefa coeficients. Yeah Evra was a member of Monaco´s CL finalists who got beat 3-0 by a Portuguese team.
From a crap Portuguese league if we are to believe some posters here.
I think you're probably replying to to the wrong poster there. Where did I say anything about Rojo failing or someone else being a certainty?
All I was doing was comparing the transfer fees of Rojo and Fernandez, two Argentinian international CBs of the same age, and wondering why their transfer fees were so different. Someone suggested injuries, which may be a factor, and he also suggested Fernandez was not good enough, which I thought was unlikely, because yes, he has played in a more competitive league than the Portuguese one - this does tend to matter during transfer negotiations by the way.
Well said. It's the general vibe I got from a lot of the transfer talk on here, too many people seem to look with envy towards Real Madrid and their super star signings they do almost every summer and they can't help themselves but wanting United to do the same.
But it's not only that people neglect the fact squad building is more than just buying big names it's also the fact that they can't seem to understand the fact that some players aren't for sale or just don't want to come here. There seems to be the general opinion that as long as you throw enough money at the club and players a deal can be done which sometimes just isn't the case.
You mentioned top teams who have all splurged on top signings,I asked you what about barca during the most successful cycle? You said they are unique due to god sent youth academy. I am pointing out that you have been cherry picking since the beginning to support your amateur theory and on top on which you keep getting distracted with crap posts like these without answering my question.Please don't even try to make posts which mildy suggest you are some sort of caf legend with a great sense of humour, you are neither.
So the thoughts are that Rojo will be LWB until Shaw comes back then slotting as LCB? At that Point will Evans Slot in the middle pushing Jones out to RCB?
I'm late but that PickledRed post was great.
Why are the transfer fees so different? Because clubs negotiate in different fashion and have different needs in what concerns their financial demands. There are completely different circunstancies regarding both negotiations.
I suppose you have been a part of many transfer negotiations to make that kind of assumptions regarding the importance of playing in particular leagues. In my opinion, one of the best chairmans in europe in what concerns transfer negotiations (if not the best) is Porto´s chairman Pinto da Costa, who comes from the Portuguese league. Suppose that doesn´t matter when clubs negotiate with him and pay his hefty price tag demands.
he will be great for you, he is better than Jones / Smalling - but would we have made a difference against Swansea? You still need a CM
Judging by our past Argentinian players, hes going to become a crowd favourite before trying to engineer a move to leeds united.
Not at all and stop that aul' sort of chat.
Rojo is going to change all that. He'll be kicking lumps out of the opposition and pulling off fancy flicks in the box at OT for the next decade.
Why does everything have to be said so snidely on this forum? Fine, so your answer to my question is that the difference in negotiating skill between Sporting and Man Utd's executives is larger than between Napoli and Swansea's. That's all that needs to be written.
All this stuff about "I suppose you're an expert" is very discouraging to discussion, and unless someone has actually claimed they are an expert (which is probably the case for about 2-3 people on this thread), completely unnecessary. In that case, let's all just stop posting, unless we have direct professional experience of football at the very top level.
I dont have any agenda against him.
I wish him all the good luck possible, we need players with courage, players with cojones and since I haven't seen a lot of him and he's described that way, I'm happy by this signing.
You've watched him twice, probably during the WC, where he played well, yet you're jumping to conclusions that he isn't good enough?
If that video is anything to go by then he looks a good player. I haven't seen him before the WC but he was very good in Brazil. That much we now for sure so let's hope he emulates this.
I've watched him 7-8 times with Lisbon too. I am not saying he's shit. However he's not going to sort the CB mess by himself. He would be good enough as Buttner's replacement though and with some luck he may even send Shaw on the bench
Talent wise the Dutch league produce better players then the Portuguese league and that had been going on for quite some time.
Also Can you kindly remind me how Sporting Lisbon faired last season?
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That's a very, very good article, if there's an interest for the article, i'll do the trouble and translate it all to English, Tor-Kristian really knows his stuff.
I am not referring to luck for us but for him (Rojo). I think we both agree that Rojo would be happy if he ends up a first teamer at United ahead of the likes of Shaw.
From my part I hope that they succeed both. I may have reservations on both players but I wish them all the best
Can't believe the negative reaction on here. People talk as if he was dross at the WC dispute him getting in teams of the tournament. You'd think people would use their brain and not be so negative considering one of our best CBs in recent times, Nemanja Vidic, was a complete unknown when he signed.
I honestly think this place is partly populated by children and the type of idiots that you meet down at the pub, whose football knowledge only seems to include the biggest names.
I remember watching Sporting last season to see Carvalho and most on here had never seen him kick a ball by the end of the season. But now they're all experts on his lesser-known teammate. How the feck does that work? Unless they're going off the WC where he actually gained plaudits. Something doesn't add up.
I honestly think this place is partly populated by children and the type of idiots that you meet down at the pub, whose football knowledge only seems to include the biggest names.
I remember watching Sporting last season to see Carvalho and most on here had never seen him kick a ball by the end of the season. But now they're all experts on his lesser-known teammate. How the feck does that work? Unless they're going off the WC where he actually gained plaudits. Something doesn't add up.
Unsexy name,check. Comes from a 2nd rate league,check. I smell success all over this one. Heinze,Evra and Vidic have me feeling very confident and we get a chance to send a tease like Nani away.
It´s your opinion. It can hardly be taken as gospel. I disagree. Wanna compare the results of the dutch teams in europe with the portuguese? Wanna compare the Uefa coeficient? Want to compare the results in the games between the national teams?
Also if you are going to be arrogant, can you kindly remind me how Sliema Wanders or Birkirkara faired last season?
Vidic wasn't a complete unknown, stop saying that. He was a rock at Spartak (the same were Rojo failed spectacularly) and a regular of one of the meanest national defenses in Europe. By the time United were interested he had already received bids from Juventus and Inter and when he signed with us, Fiorentina were considering suing him because he promised that he will sign with them. Just because he's not EPL tested that doesn't mean he's unknown
And Rojo is a argentinian internacional who made it to the World Cup team of the tournament. He isn´t a complete unknown either. So what if he failed at Spartak? Don´t know any top player that failed in a certain phase of their career and ended up turn it around? Why do things have to be so linear? Oh and please, it´s easy to talk in hindsight but after Vidic did that slow start at United, i don´t doubt for a sec that you with your usual kneejerk stance probably doubted his ability.
I support neither of them to be honest. Unlike some people in here I can admit when something local is shit (which it is). There's only 2-3 players in the past 20 years whom I believed that they could make it at top level but that's not the issue.
And lets agree to disagree on this. However as said, if I had to bet my money on who would win between Holland and Portugal I know were my money would go.
So when do we expect his medical to be completed and this all finalized? Can we expect to see him this weekend, or is it likely to early considering he hasn't even trained with us yet
Vidic struggled because he wasn't given proper pre season training with us. Same happened to other top quality players such as Evra and Cole. However its ridiculous to compare Vidic with Rojo. The former has seen an exponential rise to his career and had proven himself year after year. Rojo failed spectacularly with Spartak and only did well with an average Portuguese side were even the likes of Bebe excelled.
Hey we're both on the same side and I wish him all the best. However while I believe that he would be a good backup for Shaw (and certainly a better option then Young in the LWB role) I cant see him sort our defensive problems all by himself. The magnitude of the job in question is probably too big for him.
Am I not entitled to an opinion without hitting nerves and having people going defensive?
You can put your money where you want but if you want to win it back, it´s better for you to probably study the statistics and historial. Also if you talk about something why not back it with facts and numbers?
Yeah you can admit whatever you want but perhaps your local teams would be better if you started supporting them, instead of acting like a hot shot and being arrogant against supporters who prefer to root for their own local teams even if they aren´t as big or glamorous as United. Sporting is obviously a smaller club than United but we are traditional, respected european club, with alot of history and some relevant results in european competitions. A club which academy is in the top 5 in europe and that has produced two world players of the year in Figo and Ronaldo. The same Ronaldo who came to your "supposed" club and helped write another glorious chapter for United.
Why is it ridiculous to compare Vidic to Rojo? Has the latter even kicked a ball? I know it will be virtually impossible since Vidic is one of the best center backs in the history of United but why can´t Rojo have an exponential rise in his career?
Sporting isn´t an average side in Portugal. Sporting is a top side in Portugal and Bébé never excelled with us. And Bébé didn´t excell. Bébé had a very good season in a club that avoided relegation in the play offs. Let´s be careful with the words. And you can take mine, since i saw Bébé alot. I doubt you saw Bébé kick a ball.