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Don't understand the laugh? Do you believe he has so far cemented himself in that position, its laughable I pointed it out? Or alternatively, you think he isn't anywhere near that..

Seeing your German, I'll go with the former. In which case, he has never scored 20 goals in a season, despite being the focal point for his team's attacks. He has never not been the top dog at a club either, he could fail miserably at a top club, and be better suited to a big fish in a small pond..
Yes, there's been not doubt about his qualities in here and it's not just me, who has a german username, that thinks so. It's a damn fact that he's a top winger and no statistic you post will change that.
It has, however, been pointed out, that if Depay is to play as the LW in a 4-3-3, which is also Reus' best position, he may not be as good as a RW. LVG was talking about a player with pace and creativity to help us score goals, that would be Reus, however, I haven't read anything in the press about him.
 
Don't understand the laugh? Do you believe he has so far cemented himself in that position, its laughable I pointed it out? Or alternatively, you think he isn't anywhere near that..

Seeing your German, I'll go with the former. In which case, he has never scored 20 goals in a season, despite being the focal point for his team's attacks. He has never not been the top dog at a club either, he could fail miserably at a top club, and be better suited to a big fish in a small pond..
Pretty sure he's laughing at the fact that you think Bale and Hazard are better than him.
 
Yes, there's been not doubt about his qualities in here and it's not just me, who has a german username, that thinks so. It's a damn fact that he's a top winger and no statistic you post will change that.
It has, however, been pointed out, that if Depay is to play as the LW in a 4-3-3, which is also Reus' best position, he may not be as good as a RW. LVG was talking about a player with pace and creativity to help us score goals, that would be Reus, however, I haven't read anything in the press about him.
Pretty sure he's laughing at the fact that you think Bale and Hazard are better than him.

Genuine question, but what has Reus done to be thought of as better than Bale/ Hazard? I clearly haven't seen enough of him. Also, VG seem's to be playing Memphis in the hole, experiment or not Reus could easily flank him if he is pushing depay into the center or up top.

I haven't clearly seen enough of Reus to properly say, what has he done other than that 1 season (before last) that he was Dortmunds best player?
 
Pretty sure he's laughing at the fact that you think Bale and Hazard are better than him.
I think both Hazard and Bale could be regarded as better players than Reus, especially given Reus' rather injury-driven last season, but I think that if we were to pursue Reus, he would be a way better fit for our team than Bale.
Also, it's pretty pointless talking about Hazard, since there's now way we could get him IMO.
 
Genuine question, but what has Reus done to be thought of as better than Bale/ Hazard?
I don't think he's better.
Also, VG seem's to be playing Memphis in the hole, experiment or not Reus could easily flank him if he is pushing depay into the center or up top.
I hope that it's just an experiment.
I haven't clearly seen enough of Reus to properly say, what has he done other than that 1 season (before last) that he was Dortmunds best player?
Before his time at Dortmund he was Bundesliga's player of the season with Gladbach and after his switch to Dortmund he's always been one of the best, if not the best, Dortmund player, apart from last season, where he struggled with injuries.
It's not about stats or awards though, and I'm sure that he got plenty of them. He's just a player with huge creativity, pace, shooting and dribbling and if you watch him you know that he's a top player. I'm shocked that there's anyone who still doesn't know that by now.

And I'm not german, nor am I a Dortmund fan, but I know he's quality.
 
bale is debatable, but Hazard's incredibly overrated. Top young player and all but not at the level people seem to think he's at yet. Despite being the 'best player' in the PL last season, if you take his penalties away, his g/a stats were actually pretty average. I think Reus is the more consistent of the two right now.

Hazard does have the benefit of never being injured, though.
 
bale is debatable, but Hazard's incredibly overrated. Top young player and all but not at the level people seem to think he's at yet. Despite being the 'best player' in the PL last season, if you take his penalties away, his g/a stats were actually pretty average. I think Reus is the more consistent of the two right now.

Hazard does have the benefit of never being injured, though.

And not having a team play to his strengths, they played to Costa last season, not taking anything away from him of course, but a cog in a system might not let him shine so brightly.
Before his time at Dortmund he was Bundesliga's player of the season with Gladbach and after his switch to Dortmund he's always been one of the best, if not the best, Dortmund player, apart from last season, where he struggled with injuries.
It's not about stats or awards though, and I'm sure that he got plenty of them. He's just a player with huge creativity, pace, shooting and dribbling and if you watch him you know that he's a top player. I'm shocked that there's anyone who still doesn't know that by now.

And I'm not german, nor am I a Dortmund fan, but I know he's quality.

What nationality are you if you don't mind me asking? Apologies for presuming.

It's not that I didn't know that, but I thought he was 29 or so, coming up to 30, which made him a very different prospect when I realised he's younger than Ronaldo is. I think I need to watch me some Reus, and you can only beat what's in front of you, granted, but has he ever showed up in the big games, Germany VS or against Real/Barca/Atleti etc
 
And not having a team play to his strengths, they played to Costa last season, not taking anything away from him of course, but a cog in a system might not let him shine so brightly.
huh? Chelsea build their team around Hazard's strengths. How can you say they played to Costa's strengths last season when Hazard played every minute of every game and Costa was injured and absent so much?
 
huh? Chelsea build their team around Hazard's strengths. How can you say they played to Costa's strengths last season when Hazard played every minute of every game and Costa was injured and absent so much?

Playing to someone's strength isn't how many minutes a player gets, I'm sure you know that. They put many crosses in for Costa and played to his strengths, Hazard was given a license to roam but he also feed's Costa, he's a secondary source of goals, I would say they definitely play to Costa's strength.

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Am i wrong?
 
bale is debatable, but Hazard's incredibly overrated. Top young player and all but not at the level people seem to think he's at yet. Despite being the 'best player' in the PL last season, if you take his penalties away, his g/a stats were actually pretty average. I think Reus is the more consistent of the two right now.

Hazard does have the benefit of never being injured, though.
All three players can carry teams on their own, but all three do it in a different fashion. I'd say that Reus is the most well-rounded among them three, Hazard's dribbling and Bale's pace however is clearly better than Reus'. So it isn't easy to say who's the best player, but I'd say that Reus is the best fit for our team, since he has great vision and is good in combination play.
I don't think Hazard's overrated btw, but he could work on his finishing. It was incredible what he's done for Chelsea last season, especially mostly on his own and with the pressure that he has to deliver, because noone else will, I think that he would enjoy playing in a more attacking system though.

What nationality are you if you don't mind me asking? Apologies for presuming.

It's not that I didn't know that, but I thought he was 29 or so, coming up to 30, which made him a very different prospect when I realised he's younger than Ronaldo is. I think I need to watch me some Reus, and you can only beat what's in front of you, granted, but has he ever showed up in the big games, Germany VS or against Real/Barca/Atleti etc
I'm from Austria and if it were up to me the german national team could feck right off. In fact, everytime I read the word "Basti" I have to hold myself back.

I apologize, I didn't know that what you said was purely about his age, I thought that you just now realised that Reus is a good player, since my laughing. I think he shows up against everyone, doesn't matter if it's Real Madrid or Paderborn.

 
Playing to someone's strength isn't how many minutes a player gets, I'm sure you know that. They put many crosses in for Costa and played to his strengths, Hazard was given a license to roam but he also feed's Costa, he's a secondary source of goals, I would say they definitely play to Costa's strength.

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Am i wrong?
That's about as free a reign as a footballer can get. I don't know how, if you watched Chelsea last season, you couldn't see that Hazard was most definitely the player they built their team around, unsurprisingly as he is their best player. I'm really not sure what your point is regarding Costa either, it's not like they put in any less crosses or provided any less chances for Drogba or Remy when they took his place, they're just not as good at scoring goals as Costa, obviously.
 
bale is debatable, but Hazard's incredibly overrated. Top young player and all but not at the level people seem to think he's at yet. Despite being the 'best player' in the PL last season, if you take his penalties away, his g/a stats were actually pretty average. I think Reus is the more consistent of the two right now.

Hazard does have the benefit of never being injured, though.

I'd take Hazard over Reus. His control of the ball is amazing.
 
Playing to someone's strength isn't how many minutes a player gets, I'm sure you know that. They put many crosses in for Costa and played to his strengths, Hazard was given a license to roam but he also feed's Costa, he's a secondary source of goals, I would say they definitely play to Costa's strength.

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Am i wrong?

Nope, you're not wrong. Hazard on the left generally pulls as least 2 defenders out wide when we attack as they can't risk him tripping past a lone marker, which then leaves lots more space for Costa. If anything Hazard's game has been changed to suit the team, especially as Jose insisted (rightly I think in hindsight) that he had to include tracking back as part of his overall duties.
 
bale is debatable, but Hazard's incredibly overrated. Top young player and all but not at the level people seem to think he's at yet. Despite being the 'best player' in the PL last season, if you take his penalties away, his g/a stats were actually pretty average. I think Reus is the more consistent of the two right now.

Hazard does have the benefit of never being injured, though.
I think that all three of them are around the same level, with Hazard probably being the worst of them.

Reus in 12-13 was better than Bale in that season, or Hazard last season. Reus was easily the best player of that Dortmund side which went to the final, despite the team had other top players in Lewandovski, Gotze and Hummels. Even more interesting, that was his first season there and in the season before that he was Bundesliga player of the year, playing for an average Monchengladbach.

Hazard is overrated here, but I think that potential wise, he's the world's second best young player after Neymar. He still has a long way to go though.
 
Nope, you're not wrong. Hazard on the left generally pulls as least 2 defenders out wide when we attack as they can't risk him tripping past a lone marker, which then leaves lots more space for Costa. If anything Hazard's game has been changed to suit the team, especially as Jose insisted (rightly I think in hindsight) that he had to include tracking back as part of his overall duties.
That's about as free a reign as a footballer can get. I don't know how, if you watched Chelsea last season, you couldn't see that Hazard was most definitely the player they built their team around, unsurprisingly as he is their best player. I'm really not sure what your point is regarding Costa either, it's not like they put in any less crosses or provided any less chances for Drogba or Remy when they took his place, they're just not as good at scoring goals as Costa, obviously.

That's my main argument above.. Ronaldo at United didn't track back, he always had an eye on his direct route to goal, I don't see that as much in Hazard/ Chelsea recently, more so when he first joined them maybe, but he was the superstar at a smaller club.


All three players can carry teams on their own, but all three do it in a different fashion. I'd say that Reus is the most well-rounded among them three, Hazard's dribbling and Bale's pace however is clearly better than Reus'. So it isn't easy to say who's the best player, but I'd say that Reus is the best fit for our team, since he has great vision and is good in combination play.
I don't think Hazard's overrated btw, but he could work on his finishing. It was incredible what he's done for Chelsea last season, especially mostly on his own and with the pressure that he has to deliver, because noone else will, I think that he would enjoy playing in a more attacking system though.


I'm from Austria and if it were up to me the german national team could feck right off. In fact, everytime I read the word "Basti" I have to hold myself back.

I apologize, I didn't know that what you said was purely about his age, I thought that you just now realised that Reus is a good player, since my laughing. I think he shows up against everyone, doesn't matter if it's Real Madrid or Paderborn.



Interesting thanks, I've saved the video to watch later..
 
I think it's funny that Reus is suppesdly old(ish) and Hazard is supposedly a young player when there are only like 1.5 years between them.
 
That's my main argument above.. Ronaldo at United didn't track back, he always had an eye on his direct route to goal, I don't see that as much in Hazard/ Chelsea recently, more so when he first joined them maybe, but he was the superstar at a smaller club.
Mourinho isn't the type of manager to let his players not track back though. Chelsea certainly played to Costa's strengths but it's hardly different from most teams playing to their striker's strengths. Hazard was their most important player because they basically built their team around him in order to get him on the ball as much as possible/
 
Why? How much power does it take to tell a player "we will pay you sum x if you play for a club which we sponsor"?
Puma hold shares of Dortmund, they are their kit sponsor and they are a big personal sponsor of Reus. I don't believe that they call the shots but they most likely will have some influence.
Btw the same is true for Adidas and Bayern. If I remember correctly for example Lewandowski got a personal deal from Adidas around the time he signed his Bayern contract, they also hold shares and they also are Bayern's kit sponsor.

And Sphaero pretty much said all there is to know. Nothing points towards a move this summer, most of the information we have does infact speak quite clearly against it. Some Fairytales from English papers or Spanish sports homepages won't change that.
It really is all nonsense. For years I've read how Nike are helping us prepare a deal to bring Ronaldo back from the Adidias sponsored Madrid. How Adidas have asked United to sign a big name player this summer for the kit unveiling. Our sponsors were supposed to be help us sign Brazilian Ronaldo back in the day but alas that never happened.
Dortmund are supposedly one of the richest clubs in Germany, so rich that they let their stars contracts run down and lose them for nominal fees. Why would they need Puma to help pad out his wages? Why couldn't he sign the Puma deal and feck off anyway? Puma having their main star as a winger for Madrid or United would be huge for them from a commercial stand point.
If Dortmund and United came to a 60m agreement and Reus were offered 250k a week and Puma stepped in and said hold on a minute, how long do you thik it would take for them to be laughed out of the room?
 
I have watched each of Bale, Hazard and Reus about 10-15 times over the last 2-3 years.

Based on that I would rate Reus slightly above the other 2. He has the best combination of technical abilities, pace and finishing.

However, Bale and Hazard have already proven they can make it in the PL. I am pretty sure that Reus would flourish but I said the same about AdM.
 
It really is all nonsense. For years I've read how Nike are helping us prepare a deal to bring Ronaldo back from the Adidias sponsored Madrid. How Adidas have asked United to sign a big name player this summer for the kit unveiling. Our sponsors were supposed to be help us sign Brazilian Ronaldo back in the day but alas that never happened.

What have those media fairytales have to do with the things I've mentioned which are afaik all facts. And if we assume that Nike would financially benefit from being the kit supplier of Ronaldo it would absolutely make sense for them to offer clubs a part of their anticipated benefit if they believed that it would make such a deal happen.

Dortmund are supposedly one of the richest clubs in Germany, so rich that they let their stars contracts run down and lose them for nominal fees. Why would they need Puma to help pad out his wages? Why couldn't he sign the Puma deal and feck off anyway?

Because being rich for a German clubs does not make you PL-TV-money rich or suggar daddy rich. Dortmund still are very conservative when it comes to their wage bill and since they also have a couple of other players who probably earn less than they could elsewhere they can't just pay one player a ridiculous wage and expect the others to keep quiet. I also assume that Puma would protect themselves against being "ripped off" by Reus via contract clauses.

Puma having their main star as a winger for Madrid or United would be huge for them from a commercial stand point.

Well I'm no expert on sports merchandise, but for one his fans would buy their competitor's jerseys instead of their own and I don't think that would be something to be cheerful about.

If Dortmund and United came to a 60m agreement and Reus were offered 250k a week and Puma stepped in and said hold on a minute, how long do you thik it would take for them to be laughed out of the room?

I never assumed to know the extend of Puma's influence, but Puma bought shares for a very sizeable amount, their CEO is on Dortmund's supervisory board and they sealed a (by Bundesliga standards) quite generous kit deal. I don't think that you get all that for nothing and I assume that at least promises were made.
 
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What have those media fairytales have to do with the things I've mentioned which are afaik all facts. And if we assume that Nike would financially benefit from being the kit supplier of Ronaldo it would absolutely make sense for them to offer clubs a part of their anticipated benefit if they believed that it would make such a deal happen.



Because being rich for a German clubs does not make you PL-TV-money rich or suggar daddy rich. Dortmund still are very conservative when it comes to their wage bill and since they also have a couple of other players who probably earn less than they could elsewhere they can't just pay one player a ridiculous wage and expect the others to keep quiet. I also assume that Puma would protect themselves against being "ripped off" by Reus via contract clauses.



Well I'm no expert on sports merchandise, but for one his fans would buy their competitor's jerseys instead of their own and I don't think that would be something to be cheerful about.



I never assumed to know the extend of Puma's influence, but Puma bought shares for a very sizeable amount, their CEO is on Dortmund's supervisory board and they sealed a (by Bundesliga standards) quite generous kit sponsorship deal. I don't think that you get all that for nothing and I assume that at least promises were made.
For years we've heard our sponsors are going to help fund this and that and they end up funding sh!t. It's a nonsense myth. Fact is if Madrid made a big bid for the player, Puma would have little they can do about it.
Puma have no say in where Reus goes, and I'm pretty sure the more high profile the player has, the happier his sponsors will be. Puma would be happy with Reus playing v Schalke with little or no global attention or lining up with Ronaldo and Bale in El Classico? Or even in the CL?
With Reus or without him, Dortmunds shirt sales will stay the same. Did their hirt sales tumble when they lost Gotze or Lewandowski?
Your Dortmund point makes no sense. For the last two years I've read German posters claim money isn't a problem for Dortmund, they can't be bullied into selling players etc. now they're conservative despite letting their two best players run down their contracts and getting nothing for them.
Doesn't scream conservative to me.
 

Fact is: Puma, according to people on here who seem to know their stuff, pay Reus a significant amount of money for playing for Dortmund, thus bolstering his salary to a level where Dortmund don't have to overpay him compared to the other squad without Reus being unhappy for being underpaid there. You seem frustrated that rumors about your sponsor trying to lure their sponsored stars to United seem untrue, but I have no idea what that has to do with the Reus situation

Yes, Puma have no say where he goes, but they can try everything in their power to make it more likely that he stays with a team sponsored by them and that seems to be exactly what they are doing. Of course Puma are happier to see one of their top sponsored players in a Puma jersey week after week instead of another brand. Don't know what's so strange or "mythical" about that.
 
For years we've heard our sponsors are going to help fund this and that and they end up funding sh!t. It's a nonsense myth. Fact is if Madrid made a big bid for the player, Puma would have little they can do about it.

It's not always as obvious as "X makes a super good offer, so they can't refuse"... First of all I'm not sure if such contributions would even be made public. Secondly the example of Reus himself already shows that kit suppliers have a hand in negotiations.
Dortmund's officials will have a certain valuation of a Reus deal (something like "monetary value of the fee" - "loss of squad strength" - "loss of attractivity for other players" +- "replacement player"), if a club comes along and offers a fee close to that number then we can expect Puma to pull their strings and influence that equation, be it by offering money, by calling in promises or by club politics. But that does not necessarily mean that their efforts will be enough.

Puma have no say in where Reus goes, and I'm pretty sure the more high profile the player has, the happier his sponsors will be. Puma would be happy with Reus playing v Schalke with little or no global attention or lining up with Ronaldo and Bale in El Classico? Or even in the CL?

To answer that question you have to know how much money they make from selling jerseys and how they would approximate the gain in marketing value that would come from his increased exposure. The fact that Puma pay him €2-3m a year for staying at Dortmund suggests that they value him there though.

With Reus or without him, Dortmunds shirt sales will stay the same. Did their hirt sales tumble when they lost Gotze or Lewandowski?

It's not that simple, a team's shirt sales are influenced by more than one or two transfers. Not all players sell the same amount of Jerseys though, so if they replaced Reus with someone less popular then it seems logical that sales would suffer from that and on the flipside whoever bought Reus would probably sell more jerseys in Germany.

Your Dortmund point makes no sense. For the last two years I've read German posters claim money isn't a problem for Dortmund, they can't be bullied into selling players etc. now they're conservative despite letting their two best players run down their contracts and getting nothing for them.
Doesn't scream conservative to me.

Well... how about: wages and transfer fees are two different things. Transfer fees are one time earnings, wages are annual payments over many years. Once your wage bill is inflated it's hard to get under control again, because every player wants to get paid at least as much as players of similar statue earn. So if they suddenly decide to raise their maximum wage by €5m for Reus they can expect other players to want more as well, because "we offered you as much as we could" won't fly anymore if the next player earns twice as much and since their near bankruptcy their leadership always stresses that their first goal is to not let that ever happen again by spending within their means (having a wage bill you can only afford if you go deep in the CL or sell players doesn't go to well with that).

Turning down transfer offers on the other hand is much simpler. One thing that comes with Dortmund's conservative spending is that their finances are rock solid, they plan their finances so that their running costs are never higher than their income. So when someone offers them money for one of their stars they aren't forced to do anything, they probably just look at what they would get, how much the loss of the player would impact their squad and what kind of replacement they could buy from the money. If were talking about a player who has technically outgrown the club (like for example Reus), no remotely realistic fee would enable them to buy a worthy replacement, so in most cases they refuse to sell, because having a star player often is better than having a weakened squad because you could only buy an overpriced replacement that isn't on the same level.


I don't even know why we talk so much about Puma tbh, their involvement is just one among many reasons (and probably the least compelling) why a transfer this summer can be ruled out.
 
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Is it a bigger contract for Reus tho? Where is he in the Puma food chain?
I'm sorry but I still don't believe it. I've never seen a rumoured sponsor inflated deal pan out. Reus must be the first player in the history of the world to have their sponsors want him to be under exposed.
Which other sponsor has ever offered money for their star not to jump ship? Nike didn't move a muscle when Ronaldo went to Madrid. Fabregas is a Puma player yet Arsenal didn't make a move for him when they could have, off he goes to Adidas sponsored Chelsea. The same for Ya Ya Toure with City, how often were Arsenal linked with him. Sagna left them to join an Adidas team for more wages.
Is there even evidence that Puma actually did this it is it speculation?
 
Is it a bigger contract for Reus tho? Where is he in the Puma food chain?
I'm sorry but I still don't believe it. I've never seen a rumoured sponsor inflated deal pan out. Reus must be the first player in the history of the world to have their sponsors want him to be under exposed.

So you think Reus would be more exposed as a PUMA (german company) sponsored player if he played for a team e.g. sponsored by NIKE like Real that has a shitload of global stars in Ronaldo, Bale, J. Rodriguez etc. under contract which would definitely be more in the focus of the media, instead of playing absolute first fiddle for the 2nd largest club in germany (Puma's most important market) which has continued to garner fans around the world at a rapid rate these past few years. Even if Reus was more exposed to the media at Real or Barca, he would be exposed WEARING NIKE. What would Puma get out of that? Same goes for other huge clubs with different sponsors. Lots of people might buy his Nike shirt, what a fantastic piece of business for Puma that would be.
What is there not to get about Puma wanting their marquee sponsored party to visibly wear Puma? Where is the comparison to Ronaldo and United? This is not about wanting a player to wear your brand in the future, it's about wanting a player to CONTINUE to play wearing your brand. It's much easier to just shove a couple of millions up his arse every season than to try and persuade Real to sell their star player for sums in excess of 100m.
 
So you think Reus would be more exposed as a PUMA (german company) sponsored player if he played for a team e.g. sponsored by NIKE like Real that has a shitload of global stars in Ronaldo, Bale, J. Rodriguez etc. under contract which would definitely be more in the focus of the media, instead of playing absolute first fiddle for the 2nd largest club in germany (Puma's most important market) which has continued to garner fans around the world at a rapid rate these past few years. Even if Reus was more exposed to the media at Real or Barca, he would be exposed WEARING NIKE. Same goes for other huge clubs with different sponsors. What is there not to get about Puma wanting their marquee sponsored party to visibly wear Puma?
Yes I think playing for Madrid would get more exposure than Dortmund. Is this even a question?
Give Puma a chance to nab a Madrid star and I guarentee they go for it no matter if he's surrounded by Addidas or not.
Shows how much sponsorship means if you think Madrid are sponsored by Nike, backs up my point about it not being important in the big picture.
Puma have no problem sponsoring Aguero or Ya Ya despite spending their careers in Addidas kits.
Has Reis signed a new deal since announcing he's staying? Genuine question as I don't know.
Reus had a low buy out clause at 20 (?) million. They took a bit in wages because they wanted the clause gone and would instantly turn a 20m asset into a 60m asset.
That's the financial path Dortmund were following
 
Is it a bigger contract for Reus tho? Where is he in the Puma food chain?
I'm sorry but I still don't believe it. I've never seen a rumoured sponsor inflated deal pan out. Reus must be the first player in the history of the world to have their sponsors want him to be under exposed.
Which other sponsor has ever offered money for their star not to jump ship? Nike didn't move a muscle when Ronaldo went to Madrid. Fabregas is a Puma player yet Arsenal didn't make a move for him when they could have, off he goes to Adidas sponsored Chelsea. The same for Ya Ya Toure with City, how often were Arsenal linked with him. Sagna left them to join an Adidas team for more wages.
Is there even evidence that Puma actually did this it is it speculation?

So what? Because Nike didn't make United turn down a world record fee for a player who wanted to leave, because Puma didn't make Arsenal buy a player for €35m who probably earns an 8 figue wage their influence/effort must be nonexistant?
Puma paying part of Reus' wage was reported across the German media, Kicker (who don't make stuff up, especially when it comes to Dortmund) being among the first to do so.
 
So what? Because Nike didn't make United turn down a world record fee for a player who wanted to leave, because Puma didn't make Arsenal buy a player for €35m who probably earns an 8 figue wage their influence/effort must be nonexistant?
Puma paying part of Reus' wage was reported across the German media, Kicker (who don't make stuff up, especially when it comes to Dortmund) being among the first to do so.
It was also reported across the German media that we would be signing Gundogan and Hummels.
Puma have an entire portfolio of sponsored players playing in rival teams. Why would they suddenly have a problem now?
Anyway I'm not sure how legal it is to have outside companies paying footballers wages, especially when they're a sponsor of rival teams. Could they pay towards two different players wages at rival clubs? They would have to offer a higher sponsorship deal elsewhere to get around it.
Have Dortmund signed a new deal with Puma? New noodles sponsor or something?
It must be stated in their financials if true. They have shareholders
 
It was also reported across the German media that we would be signing Gundogan and Hummels.

Nope? Especially not by Kicker?

Puma have an entire portfolio of sponsored players playing in rival teams. Why would they suddenly have a problem now?

Apples and oranges.. You're comparing the choice having a player under contract vs not having a player at all with the choice of having some one who is already "yours" play at team A vs team B.

Anyway I'm not sure how legal it is to have outside companies paying footballers wages, especially when they're a sponsor of rival teams. Could they pay towards two different players wages at rival clubs? They would have to offer a higher sponsorship deal elsewhere to get around it.
Have Dortmund signed a new deal with Puma? New noodles sponsor or something?
It must be stated in their financials if true. They have shareholders

I don't know the fine print. Maybe Reus just happened to sign a personal sponsorship deal with Puma that is conditioned on him playing for Dortmund on the same day he extended his contract. I'm sure that there are ways..


But again, even if we discount Puma as an argument every piece of information still strongly points towards Reus staying at least another season, so were more or less just splitting hairs.
 
He is so good. He gets blamed for the lost 2015 cup final in Germany and suddenly there is talk about him not being able to deliver in the big matches.
Nonsense. Countless CL games say otherwise. Was also the hero for Gladbach in their relegation playoff game.
I have to admit that he wasnt on my radar that often during last season. He had those big injury problems and you have so many good players out there.
BUT he still delivered when he played and Dortmund went to shit without him.
Its so hard to rate him right now but he surely is on the talent level of Bale and Di Maria. Really hope that he has his best season yet.
Dont know for sure but isnt it Tuchels idea to play him as a 2nd striker, playing a bit deeper? Dortmundfans? Would be amazing.
And I agree with the posters who cant see him leaving this summer. He has 4! years on his contract. Dortmund is under no pressure and the market is already sold out in his position I feel.
 
Afaik Dortmund played mostly 4141 or 4231 during their preseason. Here is a detailled article about it: http://spielverlagerung.de/2015/07/26/tuchels-bvb-die-aufregenden-ersten-tage/ (unfortunately it is only available in German though).
I think the position of Reus will mostly depend on who is playing with him, because he is probably Dortmund's most versatile attacking player. So he could play LM/RM in both formations, or as sort of a CM in a 4141 (which seems to have been the case against Juventus) or as a no10 in a 4231, or maybe as a lone striker in Aubameyang's absence or as a second striker if Tuchel wants to play with a midfield diamond.
 
Afaik Dortmund played mostly 4141 or 4231 during their preseason. Here is a detailled article about it: http://spielverlagerung.de/2015/07/26/tuchels-bvb-die-aufregenden-ersten-tage/ (unfortunately it is only available in German though).
I think the position of Reus will mostly depend on who is playing with him, because he is probably Dortmund's most versatile attacking player. So he could play LM/RM in both formations, or as sort of a CM in a 4141 (which seems to have been the case against Juventus) or as a no10 in a 4231, or maybe as a lone striker in Aubameyang's absence or as a second striker if Tuchel wants to play with a midfield diamond.

Big thank you!
 
A lot might depend on Kagawa's form. Because if Tuchel values him then he will probably take the central (more) attacking midfield position in both 4231 and 4141 (the second CM position probably being filled by Gündogan or Castro, because they tend to provide balance), leaving Reus with an outer midfield position.
 
Yes I think playing for Madrid would get more exposure than Dortmund. Is this even a question?

Honestly? Yes. The problem is that you just compare Dortmund and Madrid in terms of general medial reach. Of course the latter is going to pull way ahead in that regard. What you completely ignore is the personal standing he has or would have at the said clubs.

Now, if he would come in as Ronaldo´s chosen successor it would be a different story, but as of right now (and the whole discussion is about a transfer this Summer), he would be nothing more than additional firepower for the offense. One top player under many, right next to the said Ronaldo (global megastar), Bale (lovechild of the EPL and English press), James (South American wonderkid) and Isco (highly talented Spaniard). I would even be surprised if he would garner as much interest as Özil did, because the latter had a special status as conductor and assist machine, while Reus himself is much closer in style to Bale or Ronaldo.

Now compare that standing to the one of Dortmund: There, he is the undisputed star player, the first name on the play sheet and by far the most popular player. Seriously, go to a play day and look at the kits with player prints on in. Half of them have the 11 on it. Not that surprising given that he is an exciting offensive player (the best they have) with a club background, who clearly enjoys playing there. This is also in tune with what a friend of mine, who works at the "BVB-Fanwelt" (huge merchandise store at the Westfalenstadion) said. According to him they sell as much Reus shirts as they do from the whole rest of the team put together.

Reus´status becomes even more obvious if you look outside of Germany. I bet that nine out of ten people would name him as the first player of Dortmund. This could also been nicely seen at the Asia tour they did a few weeks ago. In Japan he drew in a crowd similar to the one of Kagawa. In Malaysia and Singapur it was even clearer. He was the one the fans gravitated to and I´m talking thousands of fans here.

This is just about the general medial draw, This does not factor in that Puma is a German company and has a closer relationship to Dortmund than the one of a usual kit sponsor.
 
Honestly? Yes. The problem is that you just compare Dortmund and Madrid in terms of general medial reach. Of course the latter is going to pull way ahead in that regard. What you completely ignore is the personal standing he has or would have at the said clubs.

Now, if he would come in as Ronaldo´s chosen successor it would be a different story, but as of right now (and the whole discussion is about a transfer this Summer), he would be nothing more than additional firepower for the offense. One top player under many, right next to the said Ronaldo (global megastar), Bale (lovechild of the EPL and English press), James (South American wonderkid) and Isco (highly talented Spaniard). I would even be surprised if he would garner as much interest as Özil did, because the latter had a special status as conductor and assist machine, while Reus himself is much closer in style to Bale or Ronaldo.

Now compare that standing to the one of Dortmund: There, he is the undisputed star player, the first name on the play sheet and by far the most popular player. Seriously, go to a play day and look at the kits with player prints on in. Half of them have the 11 on it. Not that surprising given that he is an exciting offensive player (the best they have) with a club background, who clearly enjoys playing there. This is also in tune with what a friend of mine, who works at the "BVB-Fanwelt" (huge merchandise store at the Westfalenstadion) said. According to him they sell as much Reus shirts as they do from the whole rest of the team put together.

Reus´status becomes even more obvious if you look outside of Germany. I bet that nine out of ten people would name him as the first player of Dortmund. This could also been nicely seen at the Asia tour they did a few weeks ago. In Japan he drew in a crowd similar to the one of Kagawa. In Malaysia and Singapur it was even clearer. He was the one the fans gravitated to and I´m talking thousands of fans here.

This is just about the general medial draw, This does not factor in that Puma is a German company and has a closer relationship to Dortmund than the one of a usual kit sponsor.

As much as I know the only guys with Puma at Dortmund are Reus, Großkreutz and Weidenfeller - maybe some youth players have Puma, too, but that is it. Großkreutz and Weidenfeller have no high position anymore.
 
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