[Yagami]

I definitely wouldn't make it permanent. We need to bring in actual quality from here on out.

 

[ddg01]

His positioning is awful. Nothing like the standard we need.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

Definitely not a deep lying midfielder - far too weak and slow.

Not against him being more of a box-to-box ala McTominay role with the latter being shipped off.

 

[UnitedFan93]

Get Tielemans on a free and save spending £20 million on this guy. He's pretty ordinary tbh. Bayern aren't stupid and wouldn't loan out genuine quality mid season.

 

[kopviolator]

Looks like Bayern got the better end of this deal

 

[Chief123]

I always had the impression he was a physical, high-octane player but from what I have seen thus far, he looks very slow and weak. Maybe it's the gulf between the Bundesliga and the PL showing once again.

I had this impression but I think that was clouded by the heavy metal style of football RB Leipzig were playing. Similar to how Van De Beek looked good in a positive system at Ajax.

 

[Chief123]

Looks like Bayern got the better end of this deal

I still think it was a good deal for us on loan. But thank god it was only a loan. I don’t think we should make it a permanent deal.

 

[Chief123]

I definitely wouldn't make it permanent. We need to bring in actual quality from here on out.

Someone as good as Casemiro maybe?

 

[Drizzle]

He looked slow and weak in his first few minutes of his United debut. Since when I've become increasingly incredulous at the amount of people who just don't see it and want us to waste £20m of our precious limited summer budget on another squad player who just is not good enough.

 

[OrcaFat]

Dare I say it, Fred looks a better option.

I think that’s understandable but hasty. Sabitzer is cleverer. They are similar and yet quite different at the same time. I still feel Sabitzer is settling in and may surprise us over the next month or two.

Comparing Fred with Sabitzer, it’s probably a case of horses for courses. Personally I like Fred as one of two no8s in a 433. I don’t like him in a double pivot or any kind of midfield Two. I’d rather trust Sabitzer there; he is fine in a 433 but he is most naturally a no8 who can play with a single no6 in a variation of 4231 - he is more able than Fred to play in a Two.

Sabitzer’s problem is that he hasn’t been playing well enough to convince us recently but, at the same time, we have to remember that Fred has had very many absolute shockers.

 

[kopviolator]

I still think it was a good deal for us on loan. But thank god it was only a loan. I don’t think we should make it a permanent deal.

it looked like a good deal but I must admit I was expecting more. I can see why Bayern let him go.

 

[TMDaines]

it looked like a good deal but I must admit I was expecting more. I can see why Bayern let him go.

Yup. Would be a disappointment of a signing if we pursued this. Not at the required level.

 

[Fortitude]

Plus he’s had a couple of knocks and never got two or three games in a row. Main thing is he needs to play with a proper no6. I can understand the sceptics because he’s not been great but I do think his deficiencies are being exaggerated a little and more games will help us to assess him properly.

Let's take into account the obvious and fair point about Casemiro, and then look at Sabitzer's performances in isolation putting positional/tactical issues to the side. From that perspective, does he look:

- powerful
- athletic
- technically proficient
- sharp of mind to execution
- like he excels at anything in particular

and so on, and so forth. Normally you can say a player has measures of the above and can extrapolate to what that should look like when partnered with an adept player who enables them to go out and express themselves to the best of their capabilities. Sabitzer looks alright, but nothing special or even reliable as a squaddie who can come off the bench and do a job for the team whilst being dependable and assured - like a Butt once we became a force, as an example.

Thus far, Sabitzer looks like he falls into the pack competing with McTominay or Fred for playing time, and nowhere near good enough to usurp Eriksen. It's not really what we should be aspiring to - his minutes better served on a Mainoo, Iqbal, Mejbri or whoever else who may feature next season.

The bedding in period is real, and he may well have a gear or two to go up, but he's going to have to exhibit that, or have it about him that he is, in fact, head and shoulders above McTominay and able to vie with our specialist runner in Fred for playing time, otherwise he's being bought to uphold a standard we should be actively working to improve upon, which is the antithesis of building a title-challenging squad.

 

[BlahRules]

it looked like a good deal but I must admit I was expecting more. I can see why Bayern let him go.

Agreed. I thought as he played as a 6 he will be a player that will be able to dictate the game but he is just another McTominay but with better passing range.

With his skill set, it appears he would be competing with Muller and co. I can see why Bayern has gone for Laimer who I believe is what we need and surprised we never tried to sign him.

 

[el3mel]

Can't make my mind about this guy. He just doesn't stand out at all during the games. Might as well not be there.

 

[croadyman]

Can't make my mind about this guy. He just doesn't stand out at all during the games. Might as well not be there.

I want to see him play with Casa, if he still can't flourish then sorry its time to go

 

[jesperjaap]

I still think it was a good deal for us on loan. But thank god it was only a loan. I don’t think we should make it a permanent deal.

Agree, I think he has struggled to settle into the pace of the permiership, but we havent really been talkign massively about missing Eriksen....until Casemeriro hasnt played.

He has been a reasonable loan deal, but it shouldnt be made permanent, never thought that when we signed him anyway

 

[OrcaFat]

Let's take into account the obvious and fair point about Casemiro, and then look at Sabitzer's performances in isolation putting positional/tactical issues to the side. From that perspective, does he look:

- powerful
- athletic
- technically proficient
- sharp of mind to execution
- like he excels at anything in particular

and so on, and so forth. Normally you can say a player has measures of the above and can extrapolate to what that should look like when partnered with an adept player who enables them to go out and express themselves to the best of their capabilities. Sabitzer looks alright, but nothing special or even reliable as a squaddie who can come off the bench and do a job for the team whilst being dependable and assured - like a Butt once we became a force, as an example.

Thus far, Sabitzer looks like he falls into the pack competing with McTominay or Fred for playing time, and nowhere near good enough to usurp Eriksen. It's not really what we should be aspiring to - his minutes better served on a Mainoo, Iqbal, Mejbri or whoever else who may feature next season.

The bedding in period is real, and he may well have a gear or two to go up, but he's going to have to exhibit that, or have it about him that he is, in fact, head and shoulders above McTominay and able to vie with our specialist runner in Fred for playing time, otherwise he's being bought to uphold a standard we should be actively working to improve upon, which is the antithesis of building a title-challenging squad.

Yeah. I don’t honestly know. From what I’ve seen, I think he would prove to be the best rotation (and back up / 60 min sub) option for Eriksen. But let’s see how he goes.

Fred is a useful option regardless.

McT is the player at risk if we are looking to tweak the squad. If we could buy Sab and sell McT for similar money, it might make sense but let’s not rush into that.

I’d be happy to cash in on McT but what we really need is an upgrade on Eriksen (great though he is) and make Eriksen a rotation option for no8 and no10, and he’d still get plenty of games. I don’t think Sabitzer can meet that mandate. But hey.

 

[justboy68]

Bit disappointed in him. He shows some glimpses of ability that show there is a player in there, but he just can't seem to make much impact and his positioning is always off.

 

[KikiDaKats]

I give him a pass for today. That midfield was too quick for him to deal will. The played with energy levels he can’t match and that’s not his fault because we allowed the game to stretch and expose his weakness.

 

[Aboutreika18]

He is Mata without vision.

Mata is literally one of the last midfielders I'd compare him to. There's so much difference in terms of technique, physique and role between them.

 

[sillwuka]

He reminds me of Basti when he came to the club.

 

[croadyman]

Really hope club don't listen to noise about him wanting to sign permanently. He can't prove himself with our first choice midfield then decision should be simple

 

[11101]

After the first game i said he looked off the pace, he still does. The literal definition of just another body in midfield. I forgot he was playing for the first 30 odd minutes.

I suppose we should have been suspicious of a player who couldn't get a game for the best team in the most one sided league on the planet.

 

[Skills]

His passings actually really good. Weirdly he lacks the intensity I was expecting. I thought he'd more like Fred but doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Gordon Godot]

His passings actually really good. Weirdly he lacks the intensity I was expecting. I thought he'd more like Fred but doesn't seem to be the case.

Just a nothing player, not sure what his strong point is meant to be. Game completely passed him by.

 

[Mainoldo]

His passings actually really good. Weirdly he lacks the intensity I was expecting. I thought he'd more like Fred but doesn't seem to be the case.

He’d be great at Aston Villa. Not here.. he looks good but just not the top tier level.

Nothing wrong with that as you said his passing is really good.. but his intensity level is good Just not this level good. At an Aston Villa I’m sure you would see the intensity.

 

[OrcaFat]

Really hope club don't listen to noise about him wanting to sign permanently. He can't prove himself with our first choice midfield then decision should be simple

Don’t worry. ETH will call the shots on this and he does not listen to noise. I would think ETH hasn’t decided one way or the other yet because the guy hasn’t really had a proper chance.

 

[Andycoleno9]

He is nowhere good as Fred for example. Fred got a lot of stick all these years but after you see Sabi, McT or Donny playing, you realise that Fred is one level above all of them.
We should avoid signing him this summer.

 

[theballisround]

Bit disappointed in him. He shows some glimpses of ability that show there is a player in there, but he just can't seem to make much impact and his positioning is always off.

He just came here, it's normal. It took Fred 1.5 years to settle, why should Sabitzer be judged after 3 months?

 

[FrankDrebin]

Don’t worry. ETH will call the shots on this and he does not listen to noise. I would think ETH hasn’t decided one way or the other yet because the guy hasn’t really had a proper chance.

There's a reason for that. I think Hag, and crew, know he isn't all that up close.

 

[Lyng]

He is nowhere good as Fred for example. Fred got a lot of stick all these years but after you see Sabi, McT or Donny playing, you realise that Fred is one level above all of them.
We should avoid signing him this summer.

Fred isnt good enough either. All of them are better further forward. Fred has looked somewhat decent when he had Case next to him, but even then he was a major downgrade on Eriksen. (The latter who isnt a natural CM either)

 

[DavelinaJolie]

Obviously need to re-evaluate at the end of the season and see if he improves, but right now not looking like a good option to retain the services of.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Fred isnt good enough either. All of them are better further forward. Fred has looked somewhat decent when he had Case next to him, but even then he was a major downgrade on Eriksen. (The latter who isnt a natural CM either)

How good is Fred is another topic. My point was that if we will buy and sell midfielders, 3 of them should be sold/replaced before Fred.

 

[Verminator]

Mata is literally one of the last midfielders I'd compare him to. There's so much difference in terms of technique, physique and role between them.

I agree with the second part, except maybe physique, and would have added technique if I'd been in a different mind-set at the time.

He is weak like Mata and barely any faster than him. He just doesn't excel at anything.
There isn't a positive trait that we could exploit "in the right system" or certain match situations.

Fred offers tenacity, pace, stamina, anticipation, even if he is lacking in vision, technique and sometimes concentration. Yet Fred is someone we should look to improve on.

Is Sabitzer an improvement on DVB? Yes.
On McTominay? It's marginal.
We need someone to displace, rather than just replace McFred, if we are to improve.

 

[Lyng]

How good is Fred is another topic. My point was that if we will buy and sell midfielders, 3 of them should be sold/replaced before Fred.

I would probably sell all of them including Fred.

 

[simplyared]

Again I'm asking myself "was he playing today?"
Can't believe we have a player on the pitch in such an important position who doesn't seem to want to get involved.
Compare his contribution to Guimaraes playing in similar positions.
Shouldn't be lifting a wage going on what he's done since he came to the club.

 

[VanTastic_]

His disapointing performances aside, he is 29, which means he is in his prime but I don't think he's put forward any memorable performance since he's came in. It's like we've traded a ghost (Van de Beek) with an other one. I get that we needed bodies in midfield and that he's only been here for 3 months but this is the nature of loan deals, you have to show what you're capable of within the time limit. I hope we don't make this deal permanent as I don't see him neither having the performances to justify the finances required nor being young enough to have a decent resale value if it doesn't work out.

 

[Lee565]

He is no better than beek so it would make more sense to send this guy back to Bayern and just keep beek

 

[Strootman's Finger]

He needs a run next to Casemiro to show what he's really about, but unfortunate for him (good for us), Eriksen will return and prevent that from happening. Just doesn't seemed destined to work out for him here.